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Rejecting the plea of a Muslim student that he should be permitted to sport beard in his convent school, the Supreme Court on Monday
observed secularism cannot be overstretched and that "Talibanisation" of the country cannot be permitted.
"We don't want to have talibans in the country. Tommorow a girl student may come and say that she wants to wear a burqa, can we allow it," Justice Markandeya Katju speaking for a bench headed by Justice Raveendran observed.
Asserting that he was a secularist to the core, Justice Katju however said religious beliefs cannot be overstretched.
"I am secularist. We should strike a balance between rights and personal beliefs. We cannot overstretch secularism," the judge known for his incisive remarks said.
B.A. Khan, Salim’s counsel, said keeping a beard was essential to a Muslim’s religious beliefs. But the judge shot back, telling Khan: “But you don’t sport a beard.”
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at 19:15 on March 30th, 2009
Did you know that Orthodox Jews and Amish as well as Mennonites and traditional German and Russian do wear beards as well?
Asking some one to shave of his beard is like asking a Woman to shave of her head.
I think it is just another Islam-o-phobic ruling.
at 20:09 on March 30th, 2009
Court explained in simple terms.
Source: timesofindia.indiatimes.com
It is not mandatory to be a muslim to sport a bear, unlike the Sikhs. It is only commendable. The idea of enforcing uniform is to instill the feeling of equality in small children.
Source: en.wikipedia.org
at 20:16 on March 30th, 2009
The Muslims every county the world over behave in a fixed pattern depending on the percentage of Muslims in that country as under:-
1)Under 2% Muslim population in country and they will be a peace-loving minority. Eg:- United States -- Muslim 0.6% Australia -- Muslim 1.5% Canada -- Muslim 1.9% China -- Muslim 1.8% Italy -- Muslim 1.5% Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
2)2% to 5% Muslims and they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from among street gangs.
Eg:- Denmark -- Muslim 2% Germany -- Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7% Spain -- Muslim 4% Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%.
3)5% to 10% Muslims:- They exercise an inordinate influence disproportion to their percentage of the population and will work to allow them to rule under Sharia.Eg France -- Muslim 8% Philippines -- Muslim 5% Sweden -- Muslim 5% Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
4)10% to 20% Muslims. They increase lawlessness and complain about their conditions. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and roits. Eg:- Guyana -- Muslim 10% India -- Muslim 13.4% Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 10% Russia -- Muslim 15%
5)20% to 30% Muslims. Nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings. Eg Ethiopia, Somalia -- Muslim 32.8%
6)40% to 60% Muslims. Nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare.Eg:- Bosnia -- Muslim 40% Chad -- Muslim 53.1% Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
7)60% to 80% Muslims. Nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide)and use of Sharia Law as a weapon.
Eg:- Albania -- Muslim 70% Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5% Sudan -- Muslim 70%
8)Above 80% Muslims. Daily intimidation and violent jihad, State-run ethnic cleansing, genocide, as Muslims of such nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. Eg:_ Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% Egypt -- Muslim 90% Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% Iran -- Muslim 98% Iraq -- Muslim 97% Jordan -- Muslim 92% Morocco -- Muslim 98.7% Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Palestine -- Muslim 99% Syria -- Muslim 90% Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% Turkey – Muslim 99.8%, UAE Muslims 96%.
9)100% Muslims will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, Eg-: Afghanistan -- Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100% Somalia -- Muslim 100% Yemen -- Muslim 100%.
at 21:05 on March 30th, 2009
Don't write bullshit here - anonymous coward..! Come in the open and speak out. From where did you get this "data" lol.... Who conducted a study and how representative the sampling is?
What a joke.. :-))
.Agent.
at 21:02 on March 30th, 2009
One cant be a Sikh without a patha and pagadi. It is like the part of their body , their existence and the essential fabric of their being. It is mandatory in the Sikh religion. Where as ,as far as I know - correct me if I am wrong, for Islam it is not an obligation or a mandatory thing to sport a beard. A Muslim without a beard can be a muslim. Maybe prophet Mohammed would have asked his followers to sport a beard and trim the moustache so that they are distinguishable in the war with others. But still a beard is not the essence of a muslim. If you look at the leaders of the Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia and other Middle eastern countries), you can see very rarely they sport a beard.Still no one say that they are infidels.
If you look at this particular case, this is just a conspiracy to raise the communal feelings and hence create trouble. The school is a Christian run school - a minority institution. This student belongs to another minority in India. It is unthinkable to imagine that a student goes to that extend to approach courts and file lawsuits for his "religious freedom" - at the age of watching cartoon movies.
No, there is some malicious intent behind it.
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at 21:05 on March 30th, 2009
I think their should be uniformity of law in this case.the same treatment should be giving to sikhs in school as well as other religions.
at 17:52 on April 6th, 2009
Here are the double standards, the same school allows Sikh students to keep beard and for same religious reasons, so why discriminate Muslim student ? The bigotry of Indian Supreme Court against Muslims is now open to anyone, the Judge knows that Sikh students are allowed to keep beard in the same school, so he added this comments in the verdict that "we don’t allow Talibanisation" to be protect himself from being called racist. So the ruling was based more on the "Talibanization" factor rather than the right of catholic school to have their own rules Blah Blah.... The judge should know that Taliban are a recent show in Muslim world, where as Muslims keeps beard from the start of Islam, that proof his ignorance of the subject. Now, for the same reasons can we ban use of Swastika by Hindus just because Hitler uses it ? Think. Its not about being secular it’s about being anti-Muslim and Indian Hindu judiciary is very anti-Muslim and I think the defence lawyer was also incapable of presenting a strong case, because in Indian court we cannot expect justice if you argue successfully in favour of Islam, because the default position of judiciary is negative when it comes of Islam, the lawyer should have argue the base first on humanitarian and scientific grounds, in that case the Judge could not have rejected the plea based on ‘Talibalization”.
Regarding beard, even the most stanch country of secular values, France, doesn’t required someone to shave beard in schools, I am sure India is no where near France in secular values, where you can find full time Mandirs in government offices, where you cannot eat cow just because someone else worship it and so on… Beard is something comes out naturally, people have no say in it, its same like moustache or eye brows etc... no one can deny anyone from having beard. You can deny from sporting a cap or hat but not beard or anything which comes natural and this is the position of judiciary in any part of civilized world, what if someone cannot afford a shaving blade ? what if someone have elegy to shaving creams ? what if someone have skin problem which stop him using blade on skin ? The judgement by supreme court of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />India is utter nonsense and proof jealousy of Indian judiciary towards Muslims. If we take the same case to any world court or any other secular court outside India I am sure that they will give a judgement in favour of having beard and that will be a slap on the face of so called "Secular" judiciary of "Secular" India.at 03:31 on July 20th, 2009
The question that arise in my mind is whether Islam is being fearful and dangerous to others in this contemporary Huntingtonian Islamophobic world. For a long time I have been observing the attitude of the world towards Muslims and Islam . What I could make sense is that in some level,esp, in western countries,it is Islam that is being viewed as the seed of the threat and in some other part ,esp, in eastern countries the Muslims are more frequently looked as the threatening force to the humanity.In short the people of the world either could not finalise the problem and define it so that they can easily get into the stage of solution with healthy discussions with Islam - by reading its texts - OR with Muslims by interacting with them .
In the issue that was there in France is absolutely related with the ideology of the Islam that can definitely suggest an alternate stance to the immoral western secular notion which does not give any prominence or preference to religions. And what happend in India is the result of the ignorance of the judge about the Islam as an ideology OR phobia kind of something towards Islam through his textual understanding (I mean the news papers and other booklets not Quran or Hadith.And this fear psychosis is very much possible to those who are born with silver spoon in their mouth), instead of a sociological or social understanding of Muslims.