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Muslims overwhelmingly oppose attacks on U.S.
Though it is certainly a step in the right direction, it takes a few steps back when those opposed to killing US Civilians agree with al-Qaeda's principles. For you see if the Muslim Countries were truly opposed to the killings, they could and CAN stop al-Qaeda in it's tracks!
After all, many say al-Qaeda is a small minority of Terrorists when looking at the Big Picture! If this is the case, and many Muslims are adverse to it, why have they (Muslims) as a majority of people stopped it instead of allowing al-Qaeda to continue killing a very minuscule number of US Civilians, not to mention blowing up or butchering Millions of unsuspecting fellow Muslim civilian men, women and children in marketplaces and elsewhere.
Certainly belies logic don't you think to send a suicide bomber into a public MUSLIM marketplace to kill everyone to make a point! But then what else belies logic is the millions of Muslims clamouring to Move to the West, and once here take up the Martyrdom flag of protests here on Western Soil, when clearly they should be taking up those Protests on their Native soil if they truly want change!
Does this make any sense to you? For you see if I did not like my Canadian governments stance, I surely would not move to your country and protest my Government which will fall on deaf ears. If you want change, take your protests to where the action is! Many say, they would be jailed or killed if they spoke out against their native governments! Perhaps that is True!
But you should know we in the West feared the same when 200 hundred years ago we protested British Rule in our country, we wanted change, we wanted our own say in government, our ancestors fought, died and eventually won our war in the Freedom of Independence by doing the fighting ourselves on our own soil. We did not go to your country to fight our war at home!
We won the War of Independence, we affected change! Hence why many Western Countries are a desirable locale for you! If you want what we have, you have to fight for it, and not rely on us to do your fighting for you, and then protest when things are not to your liking.
A point that in my Opinion, if you really wanted to stop al-Qaeda in it's tracks, you could, but looking at this poll, you clearly aren't! If an al-Qaeda world is what you desire, why are you living in our backyard, North America??? Certainly a Cowards Way to fight a war if you support al-Qaeda by sitting safely in North America or Europe out of Gunshot or Bomb blast range. Religious Wars have no place in our Western Society, so don't bring it to our doorstep, bring it to yours if you feel so strongly about it!
Below is a televised link a few years ago on a Canadian Program featuring an interview from Dr. Elmasry, the Head of Canada's Islamic Congress, one would think after his diatribes one would think the Muslim Community who profess to be abhorred by such horrific comments would have turfed this guys ass out of his position, and our government would turf his ass out of the country, Guess what? No one did anything, perhaps a few Tsk, Tsks from the Muslim community compared if anyone else had said such Hate. So what are we to believe about the seriousness of this poll?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQm8oEw2F5E
After this was televised, National Media were outraged by Dr. Elmasry's comments as well as Canadians and Muslims. The Islamic Congress proceeded to Sue for taking the Good Doctors words out of context, but watching the TV show it is hard to think his words mean anything else. To date this Dr. Elmasry is still around, My friend who I get a lot of information is also a Muslim, his name is Tarek Fateh, who with his permission was allowed to publish some of his articles. Tarek has been targeted by Elmasry as a detriment to Islam. Tarek in my Opinion is one of the very few who see the big picture many don't get.
I put it this way, if Today! The Koran, the Bible, the Torah with their passages touting Brutality for Non Believers and newly written today and presented to Governments as rule of Law! Do you really think there would be a Hope in Hell it would ever get published or introduced into any society as gospel for governments and people to follow? Do you not think Governments and it's People would go WTF? Is this End of Days? Of course not it would be nipped in the Bud! I tell ya, there would be a world Outcry like you would not believe with charges of Genocide, Racism Mass Ethnic Cleansing that would make the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, Mein Kampf and al-Qaeda doctrines look like a friggin peace group all rolled into one!
So people, we need to realise we live in Modern times, not in the Dark ages.
You should know we are not you and you clearly are not us! If you live among us, then be part of us, cause as Bush once said, if you are not with us, you are against us! Words you should certainly live by if you wish to live amongst us! We did not put a gun to your head to immigrate to our countries, you chose to! Our Life, Our Culture, Our Values, this is now Your Country! Love it or Leave it, the choice is yours! We cannot change just for you, regardless of what Multicultural ethnic Vote Sucking Politicians say to you! Continue Protests and Terrorist acts by fundraising Terrorism in other countries on our soil against innocents, and one day We may make a one way choice for you! And you Ain't gonna like it!
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/02/26/raphael-alexander-muslims-overwhelmingly-oppose-attacks-on-u-s-civilians.aspx
Raphael Alexander: Muslims overwhelmingly oppose attacks on U.S. civilians
Posted: February 26, 2009, 6:25 PM by NP Editor Full Comment, Raphael Alexander A global public opinion poll of Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries has found that the vast majority of people continue to oppose attacks on U.S. civilians.
In the poll, the largest number of those who approve murdering U.S. civilians could be found in the
Palestinian territories with 24% in favour, 15% with “mixed feelings”, and 59% opposed.
After that, all the numbers drop off sharply.
For those who support attacks on U.S. civilians,
- 8% in Egypt,
- 5% in Indonesia,
- 9% in Pakistan,
- 7% in Morocco,
- 11% in Jordan,
- 8% in Turkey,
- and only 4% in Azerbaijan.
Although some rightwing blogs today have noted that some numbers have gone up in favour of murdering civilians since the last poll in 2007, the fact is that the numbers have gone up in opposition as well:
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at 05:26 on February 27th, 2009
The percentage is right, according to the EU report every country has around 8% radicals, may those be Muslim, Christian, Jews or others.
Those in most societies are under control, yet some times get out of control and are dangerous especially once they organize and form groups.
Look at Mexico today.
at 05:55 on February 27th, 2009
Thanks Paschen, I hear ya, I put it this way, if they are a small minority, then the majority has a moral obligation to stop the minority Dead in its Tracks! We have a Criminal Element here in British Columbia, clearly a minority and clearly out of Control, our Left wing politicians for years stated incarceration is not the answer, rehabilitation and group Hugs are the answer! Guess what? Since this Left Wing Liberal Social Experiment of close to three decades clearly shows it aint working, now they say Legalization of Drugs is the answer! Do this, and criminals will just find something else to do much worse. But lefties think the criminals will go away, shows how friggin Brain Dead these Politicians truly are! What's next Legalise Rape and Murder?
Life sentences and Capital Punishment are a deterrent even a criminal understands and would surely hesitate pulling the trigger or his penis out of his pants if he knew he would die in prison!
at 07:03 on February 27th, 2009
Some times the Minority can terrorize the Majority to a point that this one is petrified and lives in fear and who lives in fear lives with once worth enemy.
See, WWII, NAZI, Musolini, Franco, Stalin... all extremist that took power and terrorized the majority. Same applies in the school year with the Bully that terrorizes all other children to the point that some get sick, miss school and even commit suicide.
Why those minorities are so dangerous because they use terror and can not be reasoned with. Only force and unity will put them down.
Germany, France, Briton, Spain, Italy and even Russia had to deal with Terrorist for some time now, and the reason they have them under control is due to an extremely well functioning Police Force and next to no corruption with in that force. Same in Japan we have terror Groups, yet those are put down before they can do any harm in most cases any how.
In Afghanistan or Pakistan the problem is chaos and a lack of good policing as well as corruption in Government and Police as well as a terrified civil population.
at 07:19 on February 27th, 2009
True but when Hitler and Mussonlini raised their Ugly heads, our intervention as the Majority soon lopped it off, and grateful nations under their oppression still to this day honour all troops and civiilans who fought against them to make our world a better place. Versus in the Middle East and many Muslim countries it continues to this day after three decades, and when they call us to arms to help them out we get the shit kicked out of us and killed, because many profess to be our allies are not, or play both sides of the fence. This Poll certainly shows some Complacency in the Face of Death, Our Deaths !That is a Big Difference between WWII and the present al-Qaeda my Friend!
at 07:22 on February 27th, 2009
The sad truth is that they are flooding to the west in order to make the west like they want: an ultra islamic sharia-compliant world state. If you don't understand that goal, nothing else makes sense. It is why we should bring the immigration from these countries to a dead stop. And then we should start deporting anyone who is actively working for violent campaigns. At present in the UK, muslims freely travel between the UK and the battlefields of Afghanistan to kill NATO troops. That has to stop.
at 07:23 on February 27th, 2009
Hear, Hear Iffy, your'e preaching to the Choir!
at 07:29 on February 27th, 2009
It took a decade of terrible wars to bring Hitler and Mussolini down. Even the resistance from with in was crushed. Four assassination attempt failed and over 71 Million Causalities.
The sources cited documented an estimated death toll in World War II of roughly 72 million, making it the deadliest ever. Civilians killed totaled around 47 million, including 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: about 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 4 million prisoners of war. Plus NAZI concentration camp of a total of 17 million and USSR concentration camps at 11 million killed.
at 08:03 on February 27th, 2009
I think your figure for deaths in Nazi concentration camps isn't correct and is nearer 6 million.
Total civilians killed 25 million, military killed (world wide) 42 million, Nazi camps 6 million, about a total of 73 million.
at 08:21 on February 27th, 2009
6 million Jews yes. And 11 million others, such as Socialist, Communist, Homosexuals, Roma, Gipsies, Political opposition and the list goes on... The number where first made public in their entirety only in 1989 after the Berlin Wall came down and with the opening of all the archives. The USSR figure became public only after the fall of the Soviet Union as well.
at 12:10 on February 27th, 2009
and what is your source, I would like to see that?
at 18:11 on February 27th, 2009
And yet my Friend, the world still has not learned from past mistakes, and continually repeats it time and time again.!
at 07:22 on February 28th, 2009
True Paschen it did happen and was allowed to continue as the world stood by and did nothing, only reacting when it affected us. Al-qaeda affects us and has since the 1970s, and we are reacting.
Should we have done it sooner and nip it in the bud in the 1960s? Damn straight! Why didnt we? Well we like in WWII don't so anything until we are asked, and sometimes asked again and again! And when they call on the World Police to save them, there are many who wish the status quo to continue without our assistance. We did not take to war to their front door, they took it to ours, beginning in the slaughter of Jewish athletes in the 70s in Germany! Why Germany and not take their war in the middle east, well Germany was complacent to other cultures in the post 1960s Peace and Love !
Protests were the de riguer, and got increasingly violent and allowed by Western Governments to continue today, except more violent, France for example gets em all the time.
I am not saying the West were all Puppy dogs and Kisses propping up Dictators, as we all learned they had their motives, oil and greed. But this all started when Saddam invaded Iran and Kuwait and Kuwait asked the US for assistance. WMD aside, Saddam wiping out Kurds with phosgene gas killing thousands and thousands of people, including children because they were different horrifed the world, resulting in protests for decades in the US, Canada and Europe asking for us to intervene, yet we stood by and did nothing, we knew if we interfered we would be screwed and we knew if we stood back and did nothing we would be screwed. So political pressure forced us to intervene, there are many countries in Turmoil, Africa, Sri Lanka who want us to do something. After this Middle Fiasco, perhaps we are correct in doing nothing, cause perhaps we have learned our lesson, no matter what we do, it will be wrong, by those opposed to us helping. THat is why my story in part is, Stop protesting and funding terrorism in our country, go to your country and fight against these Injustices yourself, but a cowards way out is to get someone else to fight your battles! That way if it cluster fucks, they can walk away and turn tail and go with whoever is the winner, even their most depised enemy. Hence why our troops can never tell friend from Foe over there! Allowing Terrorists to shoot from the rooftops of a families home at our troops, and then whining that troops blew up your house is proof of that!
So you see my friend People need to fight their own battles, we cannot do it for them. IF they hit us at home, we have the right to hit them where they live, we do not protest Jimmy Carter Style, our Motto has been since 911 is "you screw with us, we are taking names and bringin body bags".
Better pick sides people, cause if you stand on the sidelines in a cross fire, someone is gonna get killed, cause we can't tell which side your'e on, we're not psychic!
at 08:02 on February 27th, 2009
In the UK, not only was there the bloody attacks on public transport, but cells of muslim extremists tried to spark off a Baghdad-like civil war with attacks across the country. This was apprehended by the security services, but they still keep trying. At present, British muslims have moved the war to Afghanistan, where they fund, arm and fight alongside the Taliban in attacking British troops. It has been called a proxy UK civil war. The UK's situation is by far the most violent and worse of all the European countries. The CIA currently is running its biggest anti-terror campaign in the world in the UK. It's that bad.
at 08:06 on February 27th, 2009
Even at those 'small' percentages, that's a lot of people who want to kill or approve of killing Americans. Murderers!
at 07:23 on February 28th, 2009
I agree Rene, whole heartedly! Imagine if the KKK had this kind of support?
at 08:41 on February 27th, 2009
I have to agree about the protesting on your own soil for change - it does make more sense that way, however if it's so dangerous maybe it's easier to make change further from home where you might actually have a chance of making a difference.
at 07:50 on February 28th, 2009
But AMY, safe as it is to protest from another countries home soil, do you not think it hypocritical to let someone fight your battles, then complain they are not doing it right? There are more Muslims killing Muslims than ever. I put it this way, if you want to do something right, you have to do it yourself.
Many deride the west in protests, including those who commit terrorist acts in our country, or wanting their Native countries Culture to be a part of our culture, you would think after fleeing that culture the last thing you would want is to have your culture in your new country? Yet the media is full of these same people choosing the West for its freedoms as the Number 1 place to live in relative safety and security and dissatisfied. I put it this way, you never bite the hand that feeds you and if you do, you have the rights and freedoms to leave and leave Pronto!
You're from Libya Amy, so I am sure you have seen what we have only read in the media.
Imagine if the people who fled Nazi Germany for North America, which was a Nazi Doctrine, Laws and Culture in the 1930s were allowed to take foothold by those who fled Germany, Much like Gaddaffi was. Now Imagine Ethnic Vote Sucking Politicians embracing this culture for Votes, much to the detriment of the citizens of Canada! Yet these same politicians would state to the people of Canada, "many who fled Nazi Germany are okay Joes!, They are a peaceful culture, atrocities committed by Nazis are few and far between, so quit worrying People, Canada has accepted only the Good Nazis. Yet Amy, all of a sudden we start to see protests here and there by Nazis yearning for the good old days, fundraisers for Germany etc. What would you think then? Would you not be horrified and want the Good Canadian Nazis to put collectively put a stop to those Few who are protesting, preaching in Nazi Churches, fundraising to kill all Non Aryans? Including killing AMY because you as a Canadian are non aryan, would you not ask "Hey what do I have to do with all this, I never lived in Germany? Why are you Nazis picking on me?
You see AMY, if one doesn't speak up and remain silent, then they will be next on the list, as Politicians as the "Ethnic Vote Sucking Whores" they are allowed all this to continue! Why? Because whether politicians agree with anyones culture or motives or not, it is the "Vote" that gets them into power is all they care about!
Funny we have Hate Laws in this country, but watching protests in Toronto, with Kill Jews, Behead Non Believers, Lets have another 911 is allowed to continue. Certainly you would agree these protests are about HATE! But nothing is ever done to stop it, by our Government or the Muslim Community who are safely living in Canada and thus should not have any fear in stopping these protestors!
at 08:42 on February 27th, 2009
U.S should do a reassessment of its policies. Incidently - by omissions or commissions everywhere Muslims find U.S arraigned with forces seeking to decimate Muslims.
at 07:51 on February 28th, 2009
US and Canada Tallison should pull out immediately and let those Fight their Own Battles to their own demise!
at 11:15 on February 27th, 2009
Ah, the Crusades!
For four hundred frigging years, the Muslim Empire, an empire of conquest, grew and expanded, eating up the Jewish and Christian lands around them.
The Muslims attacked Byazantium for 400 years, and when it finally got to be too much, the Byzantine emperor and the head of the Greek Orthodox Church appealed to the pope to save them from the Muslims.
And, we are supposed to feel that we were "interfering in their countries"? Historical revisionism.
Yes, much that was done was wrong, but the creation of the Muslim Empire was based on force and on taxation of Christian and Jewish populations who often converted to survive.
We never should have left troops in Mecca after the Gulf War. Kuwaiti Musims wanted the intervention of the US and allies.
We had every right to kick them out and we left those troops in Mecca to protect Saudi Arabia from Saddam. Infidels guarding Mecca, which by the way used to be a city of Nestorian Christians, Jews and pagan Arabs before Mohammed defeated them, killed or converted them,was an offense to the members of the Brotherhood, a fascist organization that was responsible for killing Anwar Sadat for the peace treaty with Israel.
So, we deposed Saddam and moved the troops to Qatr, not a holy site.
The Koran demands that all Muslim lands remain Muslim and that all Muslims engage in Jihad until the lands, once Muslim, become Muslim again.
That includes Spain, parts of Yugoslavia, and Israel, as lands that must revert back to Muslim control.
Muslims may not approve of attacks, but they are responsible for non-action and for supporting the Law of Sharia substituting for Western law. This is happening in the UK and in Canada.
at 11:28 on February 27th, 2009
Oh wow. Are you saying you support what the Isralies did to Gaza?
at 11:48 on February 27th, 2009
Please listen to this p.o.v instead... When the Christian religion came about who felt threatened? The Jews. When the Muslim religion appeared who felt threatened? The Christians of course. But don't you see, the Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in 1 true god. It is the same beliefs but has different minor twists to it through the ages. But to make you understand simply, every other religion that ruled in majority will always be threatened by new religions, that will convert their existing members to the new religion and so it happens that Islam was the last major religion in the world for quite some time, it is still considered the newest religion in the world, of course every other older versions of other religions would "WANT" to wipe the new religion to gain back their market share and get back more followers. It is that simple.
The religion that Jesus created have many versions; the Protestants, Catholics, Church of England christians, Methodist...etc. They have been fighting at war with each other about which path was the better one, the more truthful, but in the end of the day, it is the religion that came down from Jesus, no doubt about it. Why create many versions?
Even Muslims created many levels of Islam, the most extremist of course is the Al Qaeda or in translation the people who made their peace to sacrifice their life for war to uphold Islam. You have to understand, this extreme level of Islam was created during the time Islam was newly introduced about 1000 years back, they needed fighters and soldiers so this level of extremist Islam suited that purpose. However it was misused, and the context twisted in the modern world by Osama Bin Laden; sacrificing innocent lives for his own genocide and terrorism satisfaction using this idealism.
Actually, im weary to explain the situation further. If you are a learned man, then please read more on the situation, actually, im not here to correct or change anybody's povs, perhaps i feel sad that my religion is being attacked ruthlessly. But as an individual, my opinion is that Obama will definitely do the right thing, which is to work on making peaceful arrangements of some sorts in the future, he made a speech about it in his inauguration day, played over and over again over here in the Muslim world as a sign of hope and change and a more peaceful world.
at 12:29 on February 27th, 2009
The Muslims, as do many religions, have a history of intolerance.
The pope, about 1890 or so, said something like, "Freedom of Religion in Protestant countries, and no Freedom of Religion in Catholic ones".
Fine, we have a history of intolerance, but we have institutions and political and cultural traditions in place to deal with this. Hence, the election of the first non-white president.
Islam has no such tradition outside of pockets of tolerance which were quickly extinguised by OTHER MUSLIMS who came into Spain and the courts of the great Muslim leaders who had Aristotle translated into Arabic, and killed these "Mutazilites", allowing the imposition of Muslim fundamentalism.
All of this eventually resulted in the loss of their technological power, their economic power and caused their defeat by Western armies.
at 08:18 on February 28th, 2009
As much as Obamas speech was Kissy Face to Obamarittes, you should know this week he asked and got 17,000 more troops and 11 billion dollars a month for those troops for Iraq and Afghanistan till 2011. That certainly doesn;t sound like a peace plan to me, sounds like lets KICK ASS one last TIME, and get outta Dodge! You see I reported this two days ago, and for some reason very few commented on it or visited it, cause lets face it. Leftys here dont like to be proven wrong when their Obama Idol did what Bush did, and who would be crucified, but because it is Obama, Leftys remain silent! How Hypocritical of you all!
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/obamas-requests-130-billion-dollar-war-chest-iraq-afghanistan
at 09:47 on February 28th, 2009
Just one correction Happybrunette. You said that, "The religion that Jesus created have many versions". Jesus did not create any religion during his entire life that we know of. Sorry.
at 15:01 on March 2nd, 2009
I agree Tikun. Jesus claimed he was the connection between God and man. This eliminates the need for religion as the word itself means 're-ligament' or something near it. Christs' claim was an outrageous one, but taken at face value it does away with the need for any religion, if we understand 'religion' to be a 're-connecting' with God. Jesus claimed to be the ligament.
In fact, Christ was anti-religious. Strange how we (humans) have turned his teachings into what has at times been a very repressive and rule-bound religion. Based on what Jesus is recorded as saying this was the antithesis of his yolk. I suppose if he had not risen, he would be rolling over in his grave! :~)
Cheers.
at 11:52 on February 27th, 2009
Al-Qaeda founder launches fierce attack on Osama bin Laden
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/4736358/Al-Qaeda-founder-launches-fierce-attack-on-Osama-bin-Laden.html
at 08:20 on February 28th, 2009
Kuvva thanks for this, much appreciated!
at 08:43 on February 28th, 2009
Thanks "Need to be Careful" for giving us an Answer to a Question never asked!
at 09:56 on February 28th, 2009
need to be carefully exited out back to where ghosts come from. Otherwise we need to send in the ghost busters. But then we might be in violation of some code to prevent freedom of speech.