Navy Allows Women On Submarines In 2011

by Annina Bergman | October 6, 2009 at 01:55 pm
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The United States Navy will let women serve on submarines starting in 2011. Female officers will start training for submarine duty next year, but will still not be allowed on attack submarines.

According to the Navy, women were not allowed to serve on submarines before due to the "limited habitability and privacy" aboard a submarine. But Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus, said he has been working together with Chief of Naval Operations Administrator Gary Roughead since March to allow women the same opportunity to serve on submarines as men have.

At first, women will be serving on larger ballistic- and guided missile submarines. The Navy will work on getting women on attack submarines in the future.

Women and men were segregated on all surface combat ships and aircraft until the early 1990s, but concerns about mixing women and men for long periods of time under water in closed quarters has kept women off submarines. There is only one lavatory on most submarines, and Gary Roughead suggested the Navy may have to implement time-sharing agreements when it comes to using setting up a system to use them with two sexes on the boat.

"We are moving out aggressively on this. I believe women should have every opportunity to serve at sea, and that includes aboard submarines."
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Hugh Askew

Wonder if they will top the pregnancy rate on the aircraft carriers?

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Annina Bergman

I didn't know it either! But apparently soon they can.

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Hugh Askew

And soon, 20% of them that do, will become pregnant.

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PregnancyCorner

They should read my Top 10 Reasons NOT to get Pregnant story before they board the sub. LOL...otherwise, it's going to be a long leave!

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Hugh Askew

Yup, they get a year of shore leave...pretty rugged.

I've been thru four pregnancies with my wife....they're kinda-sorta fun, till her feet start hurting. And labor? HORRORS!

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Anonymous Submariner

As US submariner who has served on a submarine with women and several 688's without, certain things will happen generally speaking:
1. overall the crew comradrie will go down b/c men and women just don't bond in the same way and it will cause divisions
2. the "time-sharing" solution will be a pain in the ass for everyone, especially the enlisted crew and the officers on the same watch rotation as the women
3. romantic issues statistically will be a small problem but will be blown out of proportion for a long time to come and I will feel sorry the first poor bastard to accidently say the wrong thing and have his career ruined as an example.
4. many details will be overlooked by those implementing the policies b/c they have not served on submarines ever or it was so long ago the memory of the extremes endured has faded. Those details will have to be supplied by individual commands adding yet another paperwork and manpower requirement for overworked crews to deal with
5. Lastly, damn the woman who gets pregnant on a submarine able to be deployed and to hell with any women's libber who thinks that's the wrong thing to say.

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wife of a submariner

I absolutly agree with everything you said here. There are some things in life women don't need to be apart of, this is one of them. It is crap to say that everything between women and men should be equal, it never has been and never will....get OVER it girls, and I really think after spending 6-9 months in such close quarters with so many smelly men, might make them change thier minds! This is a bad idea, and I hope that it never actually happens!!!! All of these liberal women need to get over themselves!

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Leigh Penn

My only complaint to #5, I hate it when men act like it is SOLELY the woman's fault for getting pregnant. A man had to impregnate her. But I will agree, curse the woman AND MAN who makes the rest of us look bad.

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Babel-Fish

Why not have submarines for women only and ones for men only oh yes and ones for gays only. That one toilet and the pregnancy problem is then surmounted.

Then of course there's the problem of the submarines name we must be politically correct, lol

The men's could remain as they are. 

The name of the women only subs would need to be changed using famous women politicians such as "Hilary Clinton".  

The name the gays subs kind of flummoxes me perhaps some suggestions from those that know gay US politicians can help?

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Bradley S

I feel that I t could be a good and a bad thing to allow women on board submarines. The Good thing is that women have proven that they can preform in many of the same jobs that men do. But the bad thing is some women when they have a break down due to stress or panic attacks would the captain be able to break off his mission to relieve the lady potentially putting the mission at risk. would women be willing to accept the fact that the mission will always be first and not the other way around reguardless of circumstance. Even if it means that they will loose their life in the line of duty. And what about sexual concerns there will be instances where women will be looked apon in ways we all know about. What than if the two are caught playnig hide the hand gernade. than what??? I am all for it but there needs to be crystal clear understanding as to what these women are getting themselfs into and what will be expected of them and the responsilbilities they face along with the consequences of a breech if one occurs!!!

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MarkThoseWords

Doesn't work well at the fire station but I'm sure it will be much better on a submarine. Unless they're given their own fem-sub, women will probably be promoted up and out asap. That's sounds fair, balanced, and equal doesn't it? When will the PC pendulum (sp?) swing back the other way? 

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EX-FEMALE SAILOR

what about the girl who gets pregnant on a nuclear sub and starts whining about the nuclear reactor

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Tompkins M

Im all for woman doing most jobs in the military, I am a female Marine I have several Navy buddies that serve on Submarines though and thats one place I dont think we should go there will be lots of problems. Like some one mentioned moral on the boat will go down. THe guys will have to watch their every move obviously the person who came up with this idea did not stop to think about what guys do when they are bored and what can happen. Also if I was a wife of a guy on the boat with females I would not be happy. LOl as a woman I know we have the same needs as guys and we can also be very diviant. Their is a artical today on yahoo about how returning Combat Vet woman dont feel like they are treated the same way there male buddies they fought with are treated... that is how these woman will feel as a woman vet its not the same... they wont be hangin out with the married guys maybe the single shipmates  but come shore leave there will be some knocked up females I am not trying to be so negative its just the same stuff that happens everyday in the military and it wont be any diffrent on a sub. This project is going to cost a fourtune and alot of headaches for some.  

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old Sub Master Chief

I think every women should get the same chance as a man  But When they get pregnant, and they will and if some of them have early life threatning complications, and some will.  They will die.  What then?  Was it fair for the woman that died? A fresh group of men going to sea where they are isolated takes a while to form a team.  Some don't ever make it and if you are not a producing part of the team it s hard.  I've seen some in straight jackets until the sub could surface and get them off.  They complely lose it.  What if the mission won't allow for them to get off loaded for weeks and some missions will. Can men and women bond into a close team that is required on subs?  Every team member has the rest of the crews life in their hands.  Maybe they can In closing life on subs is hard, dirty work even for officers.  Enlisted women would find it extremly hard and painful, can they cope sure they can.  Will the Navy benifit by putting women on subs.  In some areas they will and in others they will not.  Will the divorce rate go up for the sub service, both men and women.  Yes and that is the biggest problem I see in this.  Family life at home is what keeps you going while at sea, If your life you left before patrol started is bad then your patrol will be hard and you will not be able to focus.  When it gets hard and you don't think you can do it you won't have that family tie to make you say to yourself I'll do this so I can get back to that.  Does this happen on a surface hip.  Yes but thr difference is you are not isolated will little or no contact with the outside world.  Also in most cases your actions alone would not doom a sub ability to make as many surfaces as dives.

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MM2(SS)

I served on a SSN, we had white, blacks, hispanic & philipinos(spelling?)on board. It's small, cramped sometimes very hot & nasty. We had to respond to alarms with very little on due to the severity of the incident.  I don't think women should be mixed into that with males.  I also don't believe they can handle there own sub.  My main question is how are all those women getting qualified to earn the Honor of wearing  DOLPHINs.  The brass has always stuck it to the crews with there stupid ideas when they don't have to actual deal with it.  Have the brass get qualified first so they can see what it's all about. 

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