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The next best thing is being there?
Maybe being macho among men and appreciating your comrades is something close to being, you know, gay?
Truly, the reason why the Marine Corps hasn’t a big problem with gay men is because they have confidence in their approach to building men and developing their character. Sexual orientation doesn’t mean a damned thing so long as you have discipline and command over your behavior.
“Why are the Marines the military's biggest backers of 'don't ask, don't tell'?
By Tammy S. Schultz
Sunday, November 21, 2010
After 17 years, "don't ask, don't tell" may finally be on its way out. Even if the Senate resists the latest efforts to end the policy, it appears that most members of the military - from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on down - support the law's repeal.
But there's one part of the military where resistance is greater than in any other: the United States Marine Corps.
That is clear from early reports about a survey sent to 400,000 active duty and reserve service members on "don't ask, don't tell" that will be officially released next month. More than 70 percent of respondents, spanning all branches of the military, said the effect of repealing the prohibition on openly gay troops would be positive, mixed or nonexistent. But about 40 percent of the Marine Corps respondents expressed concern about lifting the ban.
Top Corps leaders, past and present, haven't been shy about stating their concerns. While serving as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Marine Gen. Peter Pace said in 2007 that "homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and . . . we should not condone immoral acts." (He later clarified that the comment reflected his personal religious views.) While serving as Marine Corps commandant, Gen. James Conway told reporters in August that "an overwhelming majority [of Marines] would like not to be roomed with a person that is openly homosexual." Most recently, the current commandant, Gen. James Amos, while expressing support for the survey, echoed Conway's comments, eliciting a mild rebuke from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Mike Mullen.
What is it about the Marines? Compared with the other services, why do a disproportionate number of them overtly resist ending "don't ask, don't tell"?
I have studied, taught and interviewed Marines for 15 years and have gained great appreciation for the history and culture of the Corps, so much so, in fact, that I began teaching at the Marine Corps War College in Quantico almost three years ago.
Marines have survived and thrived as a service in part because they exemplify everything warrior. (I have never seen as many trucks with gun racks as I do driving on the Quantico base.) They pride themselves on being the toughest service, serving in the most austere environments under the most demanding circumstances. This pride has been forged throughout history, from Iwo Jima to Khe Sanh, from Fallujah to Helmand province.”
If you can fight, who gives a shit?



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at 23:19 on November 23rd, 2010
That percentage is probably soldiers living in BEQ or Bachelor Enlisted Quarters. Men living daily with room mates. Close proximity 24/7. This is not something those who demand um, equality, ever take into consideration. All they have to do is tolerate a gay person living somewhere in the vicinity of their apartment complex, or somewhere down the street they live on. NOT 24/7 in the bunk right next to you. Under these circumstances being gay is just one more of many "differences" those living in BEQ have to contend with. Trust me. Even straight men don't get along in perfect harmony in these conditions. Many a fight has broken out over the littlest thing no one would ever think would trigger a violent outburst.
at 04:02 on November 24th, 2010
Here's the deal, gay men are interested in gay men. They have no more interest in straight men than straight men in them.
Fraternization among the troops can and is managed effectively. Having served in those quarters, you don't have time or inclination to do much more than clean your weapon.
When the week ends and if you have a pass, then you want to get as far away from the post as possible and have some fun with people of your choosing.
at 07:20 on November 24th, 2010
Your opening statement is not a true one. From personal experience I can tell you that some gay men harass straight men. On more than one occasion I have had gay men tell me how they could "perform for me better than any woman because they knew what a man liked." and wouldn't leave me alone until I got angry. I also got jumped one night at a on base club for "looking gay". Don't ask me how. I've been 6'2" since I was sixteen and when I enlisted I at seventeen I weighed 197 lbs. I lived BEQ for six years on more than one base and it can be very stressful. Stress comes out in many ways in confinement, which BEQ is to some degree in my opinion and civilians are not the best judges of that experience. I think it must be equal to prison in many ways. A lot of men packed into small quarters. Socialization is not equitable to civilian life.
at 07:29 on November 24th, 2010
I have never been paid a compliment by my same sex, not that I would appreciate it either. I am sure there are exceptions in life and that is the point. Life is what it is, and people have to deal with it. In the instance of the military, they will manage it.
at 08:37 on November 24th, 2010
Oh ya Jim. The boys and girls will do something on their own like they always have, even before don't ask don't tell. I went through the post Vietnam era. They were just closing down shop over there when I enlisted spring of '75. I was a hippie child and got razed big time. More than once my Sargent asked me, "what the f@#$ I was doing in the Corps". But I took it all good naturally and performed well and was often treated more like the 17 year old youngster I was among men.The guys in my unit were 22-23 years old and gave me no rest for being a baby face kid. Assimilation. Becoming a participant of equals. That is what it is really all about. You have to go through the crucible of acceptance and if you bitch and whine and fight the initiation, life can get damn rough. One night coming back from a run at the track I passed through the ball diamond and saw 4 or 5 guys taking care of one of their own who I guess was making life difficult for them. I broke into a dog trot and kept going. You don't want to be a witness. I've seen the wet blanket treatment, oranges in pillow cases, and one night 30 odd guys putting the boots to a malcontent. I don't know what openly gay means but if it means in any way holding yourself separate from those in the unit?? Somebodies going to get hurt. Don't ask don't tell will probably remain the defacto reality. No body wants to hear how different you are. They want confirmation that you are no different period. Civilians just don't get it. Social diversity doesn't fit comfortably into unit cohesion. :-)