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Noam Chomsky On Gaza
This EXCERPT from the interview following this report says it all.
CHOMSKY: "There's a theme that goes way back to the origins of Zionism. And it's a very rational theme: "Let's delay negotiations and diplomacy as long as possible, and meanwhile we'll 'build facts on the ground.'" So Israel will create the basis for what some eventual agreement will ratify, but the more they create, the more they construct, the better the agreement will be for their purposes. Those purposes are essentially to take over everything of value in the former Palestine and to undermine what's left of the indigenous population.
I think one of the reasons for popular support for this in the United States is that it resonates very well with American history. How did the United States get established? The themes are similar."
And, you can read about that history in Phil Anderson's new book, "The Secret Life of Real Estate", which is available from Amazon.uk, and will be released in the US in March.
Noam Chomsky On Gaza
Sponsored by MIT Center for International Studies.
Date Recorded: 2009-01-13
Part 1
Click Here For Part 2 - Question and Answer Session
"Exterminate all the Brutes": Gaza 2009
By Noam Chomsky
On Saturday December 27, the latest US-Israeli attack on helpless Palestinians was launched. The attack had been meticulously planned, for over 6 months according to the Israeli press. The planning had two components: military and propaganda. It was based on the lessons of Israel's 2006 invasion of Lebanon, which was considered to be poorly planned and badly advertised. We may, therefore, be fairly confident that most of what has been done and said was pre-planned and intended.That surely includes the timing of the assault: shortly before noon, when children were returning from school and crowds were milling in the streets of densely populated Gaza City. It took only a few minutes to kill over 225 people and wound 700, an auspicious opening to the mass slaughter of defenseless civilians trapped in a tiny cage with nowhere to flee.
In his retrospective "Parsing Gains of Gaza War," New York Times correspondent Ethan Bronner cited this achievement as one of the most significant of the gains. Israel calculated that it would be advantageous to appear to "go crazy," causing vastly disproportionate terror, a doctrine that traces back to the 1950s. "The Palestinians in Gaza got the message on the first day," Bronner wrote, "when Israeli warplanes struck numerous targets simultaneously in the middle of a Saturday morning. Some 200 were killed instantly, shocking Hamas and indeed all of Gaza." The tactic of "going crazy" appears to have been successful, Bronner concluded: there are "limited indications that the people of Gaza felt such pain from this war that they will seek to rein in Hamas," the elected government. That is another long-standing doctrine of state terror. I don't, incidentally, recall the Times retrospective "Parsing Gains of Chechnya War," though the gains were great.
The meticulous planning also presumably included the termination of the assault, carefully timed to be just before the inauguration, so as to minimize the (remote) threat that Obama might have to say some words critical of these vicious US-supported crimes.
Two weeks after the Sabbath opening of the assault, with much of Gaza already pounded to rubble and the death toll approaching 1000, the UN Agency UNRWA, on which most Gazans depend for survival, announced that the Israeli military refused to allow aid shipments to Gaza, saying that the crossings were closed for the Sabbath. To honor the holy day, Palestinians at the edge of survival must be denied food and medicine, while hundreds can be slaughtered by US jet bombers and helicopters.
The rigorous observance of the Sabbath in this dual fashion attracted little if any notice. That makes sense. In the annals of US-Israeli criminality, such cruelty and cynicism scarcely merit more than a footnote. They are too familiar. To cite one relevant parallel, in June 1982 the US-backed Israeli invasion of Lebanon opened with the bombing of the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila, later to become famous as the site of terrible massacres supervised by the IDF (Israeli "Defense" Forces). The bombing hit the local hospital -- the Gaza hospital -- and killed over 200 people, according to the eyewitness account of an American Middle East academic specialist. The massacre was the opening act in an invasion that slaughtered some 15-20,000 people and destroyed much of southern Lebanon and Beirut, proceeding with crucial US military and diplomatic support. That included vetoes of Security Council resolutions seeking to halt the criminal aggression that was undertaken, as scarcely concealed, to defend Israel from the threat of peaceful political settlement, contrary to many convenient fabrications about Israelis suffering under intense rocketing, a fantasy of apologists.
All of this is normal, and quite openly discussed by high Israeli officials. Thirty years ago Chief of Staff Mordechai Gur observed that since 1948, "we have been fighting against a population that lives in villages and cities." As Israel's most prominent military analyst, Zeev Schiff, summarized his remarks, "the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously ... the Army, he said, has never distinguished civilian [from military] targets ... [but] purposely attacked civilian targets." The reasons were explained by the distinguished statesman Abba Eban: "there was a rational prospect, ultimately fulfilled, that affected populations would exert pressure for the cessation of hostilities." The effect, as Eban well understood, would be to allow Israel to implement, undisturbed, its programs of illegal expansion and harsh repression. Eban was commenting on a review of Labor government attacks against civilians by Prime Minister Begin, presenting a picture, Eban said, "of an Israel wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations in a mood reminiscent of regimes which neither Mr.Begin nor I would dare to mention by name." Eban did not contest the facts that Begin reviewed, but criticized him for stating them publicly. Nor did it concern Eban, or his admirers, that his advocacy of massive state terror is also reminiscent of regimes he would not dare to mention by name.
Eban's justification for state terror is regarded as persuasive by respected authorities. As the current US-Israel assault raged, Times columnist Thomas Friedman explained that Israel's tactics both in the current attack and in its invasion of Lebanon in 2006 are based on the sound principle of "trying to `educate' Hamas, by inflicting a heavy death toll on Hamas militants and heavy pain on the Gaza population." That makes sense on pragmatic grounds, as it did in Lebanon, where "the only long-term source of deterrence was to exact enough pain on the civilians -- the families and employers of the militants -- to restrain Hezbollah in the future." And by similar logic, bin Laden's effort to "educate" Americans on 9/11 was highly praiseworthy, as were the Nazi attacks on Lidice and Oradour, Putin's destruction of Grozny, and other notable attempts at "education."
Israel has taken pains to make clear its dedication to these guiding principles. NYT correspondent Stephen Erlanger reports that Israeli human rights groups are "troubled by Israel's strikes on buildings they believe should be classified as civilian, like the parliament, police stations and the presidential palace" -- and, we may add, villages, homes, densely populated refugee camps, water and sewage systems, hospitals, schools and universities, mosques, UN relief facilities, ambulances, and indeed anything that might relieve the pain of the unworthy victims. A senior Israeli intelligence officer explained that the IDF attacked "both aspects of Hamas -- its resistance or military wing and its dawa, or social wing," the latter a euphemism for the civilian society. "He argued that Hamas was all of a piece," Erlanger continues, "and in a war, its instruments of political and social control were as legitimate a target as its rocket caches." Erlanger and his editors add no comment about the open advocacy, and practice, of massive terrorism targeting civilians, though correspondents and columnists signal their tolerance or even explicit advocacy of war crimes, as noted. But keeping to the norm, Erlanger does not fail to stress that Hamas rocketing is "an obvious violation of the principle of discrimination and fits the classic definition of terrorism."
Like others familiar with the region, Middle East specialist Fawwaz Gerges observes that "What Israeli officials and their American allies do not appreciate is that Hamas is not merely an armed militia but a social movement with a large popular base that is deeply entrenched in society." Hence when they carry out their plans to destroy Hamas's "social wing," they are aiming to destroy Palestinian society.
Gerges may be too kind. It is highly unlikely that Israeli and American officials -- or the media and other commentators -- do not appreciate these facts. Rather, they implicitly adopt the traditional perspective of those who monopolize means of violence: our mailed fist can crush any opposition, and if our furious assault has a heavy civilian toll, that's all to the good: perhaps the remnants will be properly educated.
IDF officers clearly understand that they are crushing the civilian society. Ethan Bronner quotes an Israeli Colonel who says that he and his men are not much "impressed with the Hamas fighters." "They are villagers with guns," said a gunner on an armored personnel carrier. They resemble the victims of the murderous IDF "iron fist" operations in occupied southern Lebanon in 1985, directed by Shimon Peres, one of the great terrorist commanders of the era of Reagan's "War on Terror." During these operations, Israeli commanders and strategic analysts explained that the victims were "terrorist villagers," difficult to eradicate because "these terrorists operate with the support of most of the local population." An Israeli commander complained that "the terrorist...has many eyes here, because he lives here," while the military correspondent of the Jerusalem Post described the problems Israeli forces faced in combating the "terrorist mercenary," "fanatics, all of whom are sufficiently dedicated to their causes to go on running the risk of being killed while operating against the IDF," which must "maintain order and security" in occupied southern Lebanon despite "the price the inhabitants will have to pay." The problem has been familiar to Americans in South Vietnam, Russians in Afghanistan, Germans in occupied Europe, and other aggressors that find themselves implementing the Gur-Eban-Friedman doctrine.
Gerges believes that US-Israeli state terror will fail: Hamas, he writes, "cannot be wiped out without massacring half a million Palestinians. If Israel succeeds in killing Hamas's senior leaders, a new generation, more radical than the present, will swiftly replace them. Hamas is a fact of life. It is not going away, and it will not raise the white flag regardless of how many casualties it suffers."
Perhaps, but there is often a tendency to underestimate the efficacy of violence. It is particularly odd that such a belief should be held in the United States. Why are we here?
Hamas is regularly described as "Iranian-backed Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel." One will be hard put to find something like "democratically elected Hamas, which has long been calling for a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus" -- blocked for over 30 years by the US and Israel, which reject the right of Palestinians to self-determination. All true, but not a useful contribution to the Party Line, hence dispensable.
Such details as those mentioned earlier, though minor, nevertheless teach us something about ourselves and our clients. So do others. To mention another one, as the latest US-Israeli assault on Gaza began, a small boat, the Dignity, was on its way from Cyprus to Gaza. The doctors and human rights activists aboard intended to violate Israel's criminal blockade and to bring medical supplies to the trapped population. The ship was intercepted in international waters by Israeli naval vessels, which rammed it severely, almost sinking it, though it managed to limp to Lebanon. Israel issued the routine lies, refuted by the journalists and passengers aboard, including CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul and former US representative and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney. That is a serious crime -- much worse, for example, than hijacking boats off the coast of Somalia. It passed with little notice. The tacit acceptance of such crimes reflects the understanding that Gaza is occupied territory, and that Israel is entitled to maintain its siege, even authorized by the guardians of international order to carry out crimes on the high seas to implement its programs of punishing the civilian population for disobedience to its commands -- under pretexts to which we return, almost universally accepted but clearly untenable.
The lack of attention again makes sense. For decades, Israel had been hijacking boats in international waters between Cyprus and Lebanon, killing or kidnapping passengers, sometimes bringing them to prisons in Israel, including secret prison/torture chambers, to hold as hostages for many years. Since the practices are routine, why treat the new crime with more than a yawn? Cyprus and Lebanon reacted quite differently, but who are they in the scheme of things?
Who cares, for example, if the editors of Lebanon's Daily Star, generally pro-Western, write that "Some 1.5 million people in Gaza are being subjected to the murderous ministrations of one of the world's most technologically advanced but morally regressive military machines. It is often suggested that the Palestinians have become to the Arab world what the Jews were to pre-World War II Europe, and there is some truth to this interpretation. How sickeningly appropriate, then, that just as Europeans and North Americans looked the other way when the Nazis were perpetrating the Holocaust, the Arabs are finding a way to do nothing as the Israelis slaughter Palestinian children." Perhaps the most shameful of the Arab regimes is the brutal Egyptian dictatorship, the beneficiary of most US military aid, apart from Israel.
According to the Lebanese press, Israel still "routinely abducts Lebanese civilians from the Lebanese side of the Blue Line [the international border], most recently in December 2008." And of course "Israeli planes violate Lebanese airspace on a daily basis in violation of UN Resolution 1701" (Lebanese scholar Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, Daily Star, Jan. 13). That too has been happening for a long time. In condemning Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 2006, the prominent Israeli strategic analyst Zeev Maoz wrote in the Israeli press that "Israel has violated Lebanese airspace by carrying out aerial reconnaissance missions virtually every day since its withdrawal from Southern Lebanon six years ago. True, these aerial overflights did not cause any Lebanese casualties, but a border violation is a border violation. Here too, Israel does not hold a higher moral ground." And in general, there is no basis for the "wall-to-wall consensus in Israel that the war against the Hezbollah in Lebanon is a just and moral war," a consensus "based on selective and short-term memory, on an introvert world view, and on double standards. This is not a just war, the use of force is excessive and indiscriminate, and its ultimate aim is extortion."
As Maoz also reminds his Israeli readers, overflights with sonic booms to terrorize Lebanese are the least of Israeli crimes in Lebanon, even apart from its five invasions since 1978: "On July 28, 1988 Israeli Special Forces abducted Sheikh Obeid, and on May 21, 1994 Israel abducted Mustafa Dirani, who was responsible for capturing the Israeli pilot Ron Arad [when he was bombing Lebanon in 1986]. Israel held these and other 20 Lebanese who were captured under undisclosed circumstances in prison for prolonged periods without trial. They were held as human `bargaining chips.' Apparently, abduction of Israelis for the purpose of prisoners' exchange is morally reprehensible, and militarily punishable when it is the Hezbollah who does the abducting, but not if Israel is doing the very same thing," and on a far grander scale and over many years.
Israel's regular practices are significant even apart from what they reveal about Israeli criminality and Western support for it. As Maoz indicates, these practices underscore the utter hypocrisy of the standard claim that Israel had the right to invade Lebanon once again in 2006 when soldiers were captured at the border, the first cross-border action by Hezbollah in the six years since Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon, which it occupied in violation of Security Council orders going back 22 years, while during these six years Israel violated the border almost daily with impunity, and silence here.
The hypocrisy is, again, routine. Thus Thomas Friedman, while explaining how the lesser breeds are to be "educated" by terrorist violence, writes that Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 2006, once again destroying much of southern Lebanon and Beirut while killing another 1000 civilians, was a just act of self-defense, responding to Hezbollah's crime of "launching an unprovoked war across the U.N.-recognized Israel-Lebanon border, after Israel had unilaterally withdrawn from Lebanon." Putting aside the deceit, by the same logic, terrorist attacks against Israelis that are far more destructive and murderous than any that have taken place would be fully justified in response to Israel's criminal practices in Lebanon and on the high seas, which vastly exceed Hezbollah's crime of capturing two soldiers at the border. The veteran Middle East specialist of the New York Times surely knows about these crimes, at least if he reads his own newspaper: for example, the 18th paragraph of a story on prisoner exchange in November 1983 which observes, casually, that 37 of the Arab prisoners "had been seized recently by the Israeli Navy as they tried to make their way from Cyprus to Tripoli," north of Beirut.
Of course all such conclusions about appropriate actions against the rich and powerful are based on a fundamental flaw: This is us, and that is them. This crucial principle, deeply embedded in Western culture, suffices to undermine even the most precise analogy and the most impeccable reasoning.
As I write, another boat is on its way from Cyprus to Gaza, "carrying urgently needed medical supplies in sealed boxes, cleared by customs at the Larnaca International Airport and the Port of Larnaca," the organizers report. Passengers include members of European Parliaments and physicians. Israel has been notified of their humanitarian intent. With sufficient popular pressure, they might achieve their mission in peace.
The new crimes that the US and Israel have been committing in Gaza in the past weeks do not fit easily into any standard category -- except for the category of familiarity; I've just given several examples, and will return to others. Literally, the crimes fall under the official US government definition of "terrorism," but that designation does not capture their enormity. They cannot be called "aggression," because they are being conducted in occupied territory, as the US tacitly concedes. In their comprehensive scholarly history of Israeli settlement in the occupied territories, Lords of the Land, Idit Zertal and Akiva Eldar point out that after Israel withdrew its forces from Gaza in August 2005, the ruined territory was not released "for even a single day from Israel's military grip or from the price of the occupation that the inhabitants pay every day ... Israel left behind scorched earth, devastated services, and people with neither a present nor a future. The settlements were destroyed in an ungenerous move by an unenlightened occupier, which in fact continues to control the territory and kill and harass its inhabitants by means of its formidable military might" -- exercised with extreme savagery, thanks to firm US support and participation.
The article and the interview continues online here
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Citj (not verified)at 23:50 on January 21st, 2009
I listened to the recording from MIT, worthwhile!
at 00:15 on January 22nd, 2009
Sad, and depressing. Legal criminal politics and then we wonder why we have terrorism.
at 03:03 on January 22nd, 2009
@nyctuber Why does Israel have every right to come into 'existance' (sic)? No country has a right to exist - it just does or doesn't because it is strong enough to maintain itself.
But if you are arguing that Israelis have a right to clear land of Palestinians to create a state free of its indiginous people, and if you truly believe that any Jew in the world has more right to live in Israel than a person who's family has been driven out after generations of living there .... then can I ask you where this 'right' comes from?
Israel has no right to exist ... but if you insist, tell me where - because i don't see any borders. However, I would support Israel's relocation to Germany or New York State.
at 03:47 on January 22nd, 2009
I like your thinking, smallmanl.
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Basil Yacoub (not verified)at 05:58 on April 2nd, 2009
Smallmanl
I would support Israel's relocation to the heaven, they love God too much and they love to have monopoly on him
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Basil Yacoub (not verified)at 06:00 on April 2nd, 2009
I love to see Israel relocated to the heaven
at 03:29 on January 22nd, 2009
This is a very interesting post Mairead.
There is some truth in what Chomsky says here about Israel's policy on its country-building, including building facts on the ground. What I find nauseous and objectionable however, is his deliberate use of terms and insinuations which place the debate outside of the initial idea. His real and thinly-veiled reasons for doing this are to promote anti-Zionist sentiment and thereby fan the flames. The evidence of that can be read in the gutter-class comments written in answer to the interview.
Many countries, if not most, have been created by using, at some time or another, pre-emptive and sometimes irreversible policies. The difference here though, is that when it is on the subject of Israel, normally balanced individuals are suddenly transformed into glib and incendiary flamers throwing words like genocide, extermination and terrorism around as if they were discussing tomorrow's weather.
I'm afraid this is just Chomsky at his best/worst, depending one your point of view. What cannot be disputed however is his talent for getting himself noticed.
Thanks.
at 03:50 on January 22nd, 2009
Interesting points. I think you'd like Phil Anderson's book too, because it traces the settlement of the USA, by land and resource speculators. –quite similar really - and Chomsky makes that point as well.
at 03:54 on January 22nd, 2009
Thanks Maireid, I'll check it out.
It is such a shame that rational debate can't be applied to this issue. Any talk of this, on this site, as elsewhere, and even on your post, which deserved more level-headed consideration, just seems to turn into invective-laden mudslinging.
Chomsky would be pleased...........:-)
at 04:07 on January 22nd, 2009
I have to say I was surprised when I got online just a while ago and found so many comments. :)
Nobody is really saying that a "people" shouldn't have a traditional homeland. It is the way it is being done that is causing needless suffering - for everyone -including those who are standing on the sidelines feeling helpless about "mankind's ongoing inhumanity to mankind".
But there is an elegant solution!! According to classical economic theorem, all the Israelis need do is pay the Resource Rent to the Palestinians government consolidated revenue- and everyone else who 'owns' the land should do the same - pay the land tax, (not on buildings, and not on income or business payroll taxes, or commerce, etc) and the government then redirects the funds to the ENTIRE population, including Israeli settlers, via social dividends and via infrastructural support. :) It is a great concept, whose time should have come by now, but unfortunately, the economy is still driven by 'speculation', rather than 'reason'.
at 04:25 on January 22nd, 2009
At last! A constructive idea!!
I do not know enough about the implications of your idea in practical terms Maireid, but if it implies (hope I'm not putting words into your mouth here...) the implicit right of Israel and Palestine to exist, and if it implies pressure being brought to bear upon both sides to work seriously towards resolving this issue, then I'm all for it!
They, and we too, are going to have to come to terms with the fact that any talk of a country's "right to exist" is a fallacious red-herring.
No-one is seriously going to tell me that Palestine or Israel can somehow be "de-existed".
Dumber than that they do not come!
We need solutions here, not biased and irrelevant interpretations of what happened half a century, or hundreds, or even, as I have been amused to read here and there, thousands, of years ago.....
If we looked uniquely to history to resolve this sort of thing, we'd have to change the frontiers and/or the right to exist, of almost every country on the planet.
Thanks.
at 16:31 on January 24th, 2009
Israel offered to do this, that is make payments to the Palestinians as part of the 1990 accord that would have give Arafat 98% of what he wanted. Arafat rejected it and started a war.
The Palestinians have been screwed more by their leaders and Arab brothers than Israel could ever do.
at 13:40 on February 13th, 2009
Much of the land that Israel sits on was BOUGHT legally twice. Once from the original owner and once from the renter of the land. The Rothchilds and others paid fortunes for a lot of the land prior to the State being officially founded. There was NO Palestine then or Palestinians. Just a bunch of malaria infested swamps in the middle and north of the country and rocky sparsely inhabitable land.
Indigenous people as you call the Paestinians just isn't so. I know that you want to believe it but this is fantasyland.
at 05:10 on January 22nd, 2009
I don’t think anyone on this forum would deny that Spain, Great Britain, France, Belgium, Holland, etc. used brutal tactics which often amounted to genocide in their efforts to colonize the Americas, Africa and Asia. The Germans, having missed out on the great imperial conquests under taken by their fellow Europeans, decided to colonize Eastern Europe and ended up conquering most of Europe to boot. This racist nationalist ideology was, of course, disastrous, especially as it combined with an extreme form Anti-Semitism and the technological ability to slaughter great numbers of people. Of course, the policies of mass extermination and dislocation along with the racist nationalist ideologies which underpinned them have long been discredited by balanced and humane individuals. I haven’t heard anyone here arguing in defence of the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous peoples of North America or championing the slave trade. I imagine most people speaking out here against Israel are, like me, well aware of the atrocities of the past, which is why we are so horrified at what the Palestinians are currently being subjected to not just by Israel but by the US which is an equal partner in the crimes, as well as Great Britain and Canada. I am just as angry at Stephen Harper, the Canadian PM, for defending Israel’s war crimes against the Palestinian people as I am at Israel. I also imagine that, like me, the critics of Israel also deplore China’s brutal occupation of Tibet, the genocidal war against the people of the Darfur region, and America's illegal war against Iraq. If what I wrote here makes me an Anti-Semite (a word which is associated with some of the most appalling atrocities ever committed) in some people’s estimation, my only response then is that that is an absolute abuse of the word Anti-Semite and it besmirches the memory of all the true victims of Anti-Semitism.
at 15:50 on January 23rd, 2009
Very well said, ms negativity. Thank you.
at 12:34 on January 22nd, 2009
I'm glad to see such a discussion going on here and I only had to edit one comment! Great!
at 14:32 on January 22nd, 2009
Noam Chomsky is a mental case.
at 16:01 on January 22nd, 2009
YES, the whole problem could be solved with a simple shift in taxation! It is called classical political economic theorem, and the idea goes back a long way.
Suffice it to say, the theory is that by collecting a single tax on the use of land, and all resources – Resource Rent -we need not tax income and business / commerce. If Israel and Palestine did this, then all of necessary commerce would be unencumbered by taxes. People wouldn’t need to pay taxes on their productivity. Everyone would be guaranteed a minimum wage, infrastructure would be publicly owned, land would be cheap because there would be no more real estate speculation! Imagine that! There would be nothing to fight over!
at 18:32 on January 28th, 2009
The 'reality' paradigm needs to shift.
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Fellowsistersat 01:52 on January 23rd, 2009
I published this Chomsky portrait on my blog (www.fellowsisters.com) in July after having read this interview whith him: http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20080718.htm
My favourite sentence: "So, there’s a more polite way of following the same policies"
Fellowsisters has contributed a photo to this story.
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emirates-uk (not verified)at 23:51 on January 28th, 2009
The ICC, the International Court of Justice, in the Hague, was set-up specifically to prosecute and bring to justice those responsible for the worst crimes - genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes - committed anywhere in the world. The court has been signed and ratified by over 100 countries globally, including the UK, Germany, France, Poland, Canada, Australia etc – although the US, Iran and Israel are amongst those who have signed but not yet ratified.
Notwithstanding this, if evidence is confirmed that the Israeli army deliberately or knowingly killed unarmed civilians, including hundreds of children and dozens of women – then the European Union should initiate steps to have arrest warrants issued against the two Israeli ministers responsible for the military action in Gaza, i.e. EHUD OLMERT and EHUD BARAK.
In such an eventuality, these two persons should be brought before the ICC to answer charges of war crimes against the people of Gaza.
The fact that Israel has signed a comprehensive agreement of co-operation with the European Union, (the EU-Israel Association Agreement), gives the EU the right – and indeed the duty – to take action to bring any such persons suspected of war crimes before the World Court.
at 03:30 on February 13th, 2009
I agree entirely, emirates-uk. International law must not be undermined.
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JournalismEthicist (not verified)at 09:30 on February 8th, 2009
if only the NowPublic users of words like 'anti-Jewish', those who bandy about such horrible thoughts, here on NowPublic, would watch the movie The Man Who Cried, they would not abuse the seriousness and terror of such thoughts as anti-Jewish.
The users of that term sanctioned and promoted by NowPublic are exclusively those pumping the NP press full of hate-feeding 'stories', and denial of war crime that feed a moral bankruptcy that in turns feed a crisis in public confidence worldwide and in turn is the root cause of the current financial crisis.
NP valued members - the counter-arguers are blocked by NowPublic staf vetos, unilaterally - use the term 'anti-Jewish' as a knee-jerk accusation to rationalize the terror that present day Israel wreaks on Palestinian children, 50% malnourished, and laughed at in the White House according to Gideon Levy at Haaretz who quoted Olmert top aidie Dov Weissglas as joking in 2006, after the Hamas election, that 'Palestinians would be getting a lot thinner, but won't die.' That is a quote.
Those who balance the new in NowPublic, are banned. The reasons given can be found in the 'stories' of hate-feeding opinion that NowPublic dishonors citizen open journalism by promoting, and blocking counter-stories.
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at 23:31 on February 12th, 2009
While the world argues about whether or not Israel is justified to have killed 100 Palestinians for every 1 Israeli, the people of Gaza lose an average of 5 pounds a year. Fear and anxiety will do that, not to mention the checkpoints that stop them from using the gardens that used to feed them.
Even though Israel has spent more than 100 billion on their military, which includes a nuclear arsenal that could turn the Middle East into giant pile of sodium dust, they justify aggressive military assaults on one of the poorest countries on Earth to "defend themselves."
Every year Gaza gets smaller and every year there are fewer people who require reparations for taking their homes. 480 000 Jewish people showed up from all around the world and displaced Palestinians between 1917 and 1948. I find it most ironic that the Americans who defend this would have a frikin cow if 500 000 of some ethnic group showed up in America demanding American homes in the same amount of time. Apparently the frustration and anger of the 600 000 Palestinians that were living in Palestine doesn't count. Maybe they weren't "Judeo-Christian" enough?
The tide is turning on the Israeli warhawks that think the world is on their side. It isn't. At my University 900 people showed up for a lecture empathizing with the people of Gaza. The same week 25 people showed to a lecture advocating the right of Israel to have gone into Gaza. Once you know the real history of Palestine, reason and an intrinsic sense of what is right and wrong dictates that Israel has gone too far. This is becoming a genocide committed by the people who said "never again."
Shame.
at 03:28 on February 13th, 2009
Not even Chomsky has stated it so clearly, literaryguru!
The occupation is totally insane, when Israeli people, as an ethnic people, are generally so intelligent! Classical political economic theory shows how all of these problems could be solved for all inhabitants! Pay the rent! Land value tax, and no need for income or business taxes, would mean that poverty would be wiped out, and needless suffering and stress would be totally relieved! This economic system, endorsed by the finest minds in our history, is 'waiting' to be implemented all over the world.
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charle bourgheya (not verified)at 21:43 on February 15th, 2009
chomsky island....?that would be a much better place than most of this messed up world
listen, heard of free speech, he has, and trys to help the world with it
we should be grateful for people like him.
'talent" for getting himself noticed?
"you can tell when a guy is power to be reckoned with when the dunces of the world are all against him"
at 07:34 on March 25th, 2009
Thank you so much for posting this, Maireid. It is probably the most significant post I have read in the last twelve months. But reading it makes me feel so angry about the complete injustice of it all.
at 16:33 on March 25th, 2009
Unfortunately, Jerry, that anger only serves to poison us all, while intelligent people continue to excuse themselves for their violent, sadistic, destructive behaviour. That Zionists think what they are doing to Palestinians is not the very same as what the Germans did to the Jews amazes me. While the Jews remember the tragedy of their holocaust, at the hands of the Germans, which lasted for a few years, Palestinians will remember their tragedy, at the hands of the Jews, lasted more than 60 years.
Thank you very much for commenting.