Noam Chomsky On Gaza

by Maireid Sullivan | January 21, 2009 at 08:49 pm
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This EXCERPT from the interview following this report says it all.

CHOMSKY: "There's a theme that goes way back to the origins of Zionism. And it's a very rational theme: "Let's delay negotiations and diplomacy as long as possible, and meanwhile we'll 'build facts on the ground.'" So Israel will create the basis for what some eventual agreement will ratify, but the more they create, the more they construct, the better the agreement will be for their purposes. Those purposes are essentially to take over everything of value in the former Palestine and to undermine what's left of the indigenous population.

I think one of the reasons for popular support for this in the United States is that it resonates very well with American history. How did the United States get established? The themes are similar."

And, you can read about that history in Phil Anderson's new book, "The Secret Life of Real Estate", which is available from Amazon.uk, and will be released in the US in March.


Noam Chomsky On Gaza

Sponsored by MIT Center for International Studies.

Date Recorded: 2009-01-13

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"Exterminate all the Brutes": Gaza 2009

By Noam Chomsky


On Saturday December 27, the latest US-Israeli attack on helpless Palestinians was launched. The attack had been meticulously planned, for over 6 months according to the Israeli press. The planning had two components: military and propaganda. It was based on the lessons of Israel's 2006 invasion of Lebanon, which was considered to be poorly planned and badly advertised. We may, therefore, be fairly confident that most of what has been done and said was pre-planned and intended.

That surely includes the timing of the assault: shortly before noon, when children were returning from school and crowds were milling in the streets of densely populated Gaza City. It took only a few minutes to kill over 225 people and wound 700, an auspicious opening to the mass slaughter of defenseless civilians trapped in a tiny cage with nowhere to flee.

In his retrospective "Parsing Gains of Gaza War," New York Times correspondent Ethan Bronner cited this achievement as one of the most significant of the gains. Israel calculated that it would be advantageous to appear to "go crazy," causing vastly disproportionate terror, a doctrine that traces back to the 1950s. "The Palestinians in Gaza got the message on the first day," Bronner wrote, "when Israeli warplanes struck numerous targets simultaneously in the middle of a Saturday morning. Some 200 were killed instantly, shocking Hamas and indeed all of Gaza." The tactic of "going crazy" appears to have been successful, Bronner concluded: there are "limited indications that the people of Gaza felt such pain from this war that they will seek to rein in Hamas," the elected government. That is another long-standing doctrine of state terror. I don't, incidentally, recall the Times retrospective "Parsing Gains of Chechnya War," though the gains were great.

The meticulous planning also presumably included the termination of the assault, carefully timed to be just before the inauguration, so as to minimize the (remote) threat that Obama might have to say some words critical of these vicious US-supported crimes.

Two weeks after the Sabbath opening of the assault, with much of Gaza already pounded to rubble and the death toll approaching 1000, the UN Agency UNRWA, on which most Gazans depend for survival, announced that the Israeli military refused to allow aid shipments to Gaza, saying that the crossings were closed for the Sabbath. To honor the holy day, Palestinians at the edge of survival must be denied food and medicine, while hundreds can be slaughtered by US jet bombers and helicopters.

The rigorous observance of the Sabbath in this dual fashion attracted little if any notice. That makes sense. In the annals of US-Israeli criminality, such cruelty and cynicism scarcely merit more than a footnote. They are too familiar. To cite one relevant parallel, in June 1982 the US-backed Israeli invasion of Lebanon opened with the bombing of the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila, later to become famous as the site of terrible massacres supervised by the IDF (Israeli "Defense" Forces). The bombing hit the local hospital -- the Gaza hospital -- and killed over 200 people, according to the eyewitness account of an American Middle East academic specialist. The massacre was the opening act in an invasion that slaughtered some 15-20,000 people and destroyed much of southern Lebanon and Beirut, proceeding with crucial US military and diplomatic support. That included vetoes of Security Council resolutions seeking to halt the criminal aggression that was undertaken, as scarcely concealed, to defend Israel from the threat of peaceful political settlement, contrary to many convenient fabrications about Israelis suffering under intense rocketing, a fantasy of apologists.

All of this is normal, and quite openly discussed by high Israeli officials. Thirty years ago Chief of Staff Mordechai Gur observed that since 1948, "we have been fighting against a population that lives in villages and cities." As Israel's most prominent military analyst, Zeev Schiff, summarized his remarks, "the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously ... the Army, he said, has never distinguished civilian [from military] targets ... [but] purposely attacked civilian targets." The reasons were explained by the distinguished statesman Abba Eban: "there was a rational prospect, ultimately fulfilled, that affected populations would exert pressure for the cessation of hostilities." The effect, as Eban well understood, would be to allow Israel to implement, undisturbed, its programs of illegal expansion and harsh repression. Eban was commenting on a review of Labor government attacks against civilians by Prime Minister Begin, presenting a picture, Eban said, "of an Israel wantonly inflicting every possible measure of death and anguish on civilian populations in a mood reminiscent of regimes which neither Mr.Begin nor I would dare to mention by name." Eban did not contest the facts that Begin reviewed, but criticized him for stating them publicly. Nor did it concern Eban, or his admirers, that his advocacy of massive state terror is also reminiscent of regimes he would not dare to mention by name.

Eban's justification for state terror is regarded as persuasive by respected authorities. As the current US-Israel assault raged, Times columnist Thomas Friedman explained that Israel's tactics both in the current attack and in its invasion of Lebanon in 2006 are based on the sound principle of "trying to `educate' Hamas, by inflicting a heavy death toll on Hamas militants and heavy pain on the Gaza population." That makes sense on pragmatic grounds, as it did in Lebanon, where "the only long-term source of deterrence was to exact enough pain on the civilians -- the families and employers of the militants -- to restrain Hezbollah in the future." And by similar logic, bin Laden's effort to "educate" Americans on 9/11 was highly praiseworthy, as were the Nazi attacks on Lidice and Oradour, Putin's destruction of Grozny, and other notable attempts at "education."

Israel has taken pains to make clear its dedication to these guiding principles. NYT correspondent Stephen Erlanger reports that Israeli human rights groups are "troubled by Israel's strikes on buildings they believe should be classified as civilian, like the parliament, police stations and the presidential palace" -- and, we may add, villages, homes, densely populated refugee camps, water and sewage systems, hospitals, schools and universities, mosques, UN relief facilities, ambulances, and indeed anything that might relieve the pain of the unworthy victims. A senior Israeli intelligence officer explained that the IDF attacked "both aspects of Hamas -- its resistance or military wing and its dawa, or social wing," the latter a euphemism for the civilian society. "He argued that Hamas was all of a piece," Erlanger continues, "and in a war, its instruments of political and social control were as legitimate a target as its rocket caches." Erlanger and his editors add no comment about the open advocacy, and practice, of massive terrorism targeting civilians, though correspondents and columnists signal their tolerance or even explicit advocacy of war crimes, as noted. But keeping to the norm, Erlanger does not fail to stress that Hamas rocketing is "an obvious violation of the principle of discrimination and fits the classic definition of terrorism."

Like others familiar with the region, Middle East specialist Fawwaz Gerges observes that "What Israeli officials and their American allies do not appreciate is that Hamas is not merely an armed militia but a social movement with a large popular base that is deeply entrenched in society." Hence when they carry out their plans to destroy Hamas's "social wing," they are aiming to destroy Palestinian society.

Gerges may be too kind. It is highly unlikely that Israeli and American officials -- or the media and other commentators -- do not appreciate these facts. Rather, they implicitly adopt the traditional perspective of those who monopolize means of violence: our mailed fist can crush any opposition, and if our furious assault has a heavy civilian toll, that's all to the good: perhaps the remnants will be properly educated.

IDF officers clearly understand that they are crushing the civilian society. Ethan Bronner quotes an Israeli Colonel who says that he and his men are not much "impressed with the Hamas fighters." "They are villagers with guns," said a gunner on an armored personnel carrier. They resemble the victims of the murderous IDF "iron fist" operations in occupied southern Lebanon in 1985, directed by Shimon Peres, one of the great terrorist commanders of the era of Reagan's "War on Terror." During these operations, Israeli commanders and strategic analysts explained that the victims were "terrorist villagers," difficult to eradicate because "these terrorists operate with the support of most of the local population." An Israeli commander complained that "the terrorist...has many eyes here, because he lives here," while the military correspondent of the Jerusalem Post described the problems Israeli forces faced in combating the "terrorist mercenary," "fanatics, all of whom are sufficiently dedicated to their causes to go on running the risk of being killed while operating against the IDF," which must "maintain order and security" in occupied southern Lebanon despite "the price the inhabitants will have to pay." The problem has been familiar to Americans in South Vietnam, Russians in Afghanistan, Germans in occupied Europe, and other aggressors that find themselves implementing the Gur-Eban-Friedman doctrine.

Gerges believes that US-Israeli state terror will fail: Hamas, he writes, "cannot be wiped out without massacring half a million Palestinians. If Israel succeeds in killing Hamas's senior leaders, a new generation, more radical than the present, will swiftly replace them. Hamas is a fact of life. It is not going away, and it will not raise the white flag regardless of how many casualties it suffers."

Perhaps, but there is often a tendency to underestimate the efficacy of violence. It is particularly odd that such a belief should be held in the United States. Why are we here?

Hamas is regularly described as "Iranian-backed Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel." One will be hard put to find something like "democratically elected Hamas, which has long been calling for a two-state settlement in accord with the international consensus" -- blocked for over 30 years by the US and Israel, which reject the right of Palestinians to self-determination. All true, but not a useful contribution to the Party Line, hence dispensable.

Such details as those mentioned earlier, though minor, nevertheless teach us something about ourselves and our clients. So do others. To mention another one, as the latest US-Israeli assault on Gaza began, a small boat, the Dignity, was on its way from Cyprus to Gaza. The doctors and human rights activists aboard intended to violate Israel's criminal blockade and to bring medical supplies to the trapped population. The ship was intercepted in international waters by Israeli naval vessels, which rammed it severely, almost sinking it, though it managed to limp to Lebanon. Israel issued the routine lies, refuted by the journalists and passengers aboard, including CNN correspondent Karl Penhaul and former US representative and Green Party presidential candidate Cynthia McKinney. That is a serious crime -- much worse, for example, than hijacking boats off the coast of Somalia. It passed with little notice. The tacit acceptance of such crimes reflects the understanding that Gaza is occupied territory, and that Israel is entitled to maintain its siege, even authorized by the guardians of international order to carry out crimes on the high seas to implement its programs of punishing the civilian population for disobedience to its commands -- under pretexts to which we return, almost universally accepted but clearly untenable.

The lack of attention again makes sense. For decades, Israel had been hijacking boats in international waters between Cyprus and Lebanon, killing or kidnapping passengers, sometimes bringing them to prisons in Israel, including secret prison/torture chambers, to hold as hostages for many years. Since the practices are routine, why treat the new crime with more than a yawn? Cyprus and Lebanon reacted quite differently, but who are they in the scheme of things?

Who cares, for example, if the editors of Lebanon's Daily Star, generally pro-Western, write that "Some 1.5 million people in Gaza are being subjected to the murderous ministrations of one of the world's most technologically advanced but morally regressive military machines. It is often suggested that the Palestinians have become to the Arab world what the Jews were to pre-World War II Europe, and there is some truth to this interpretation. How sickeningly appropriate, then, that just as Europeans and North Americans looked the other way when the Nazis were perpetrating the Holocaust, the Arabs are finding a way to do nothing as the Israelis slaughter Palestinian children." Perhaps the most shameful of the Arab regimes is the brutal Egyptian dictatorship, the beneficiary of most US military aid, apart from Israel.

According to the Lebanese press, Israel still "routinely abducts Lebanese civilians from the Lebanese side of the Blue Line [the international border], most recently in December 2008." And of course "Israeli planes violate Lebanese airspace on a daily basis in violation of UN Resolution 1701" (Lebanese scholar Amal Saad-Ghorayeb, Daily Star, Jan. 13). That too has been happening for a long time. In condemning Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 2006, the prominent Israeli strategic analyst Zeev Maoz wrote in the Israeli press that "Israel has violated Lebanese airspace by carrying out aerial reconnaissance missions virtually every day since its withdrawal from Southern Lebanon six years ago. True, these aerial overflights did not cause any Lebanese casualties, but a border violation is a border violation. Here too, Israel does not hold a higher moral ground." And in general, there is no basis for the "wall-to-wall consensus in Israel that the war against the Hezbollah in Lebanon is a just and moral war," a consensus "based on selective and short-term memory, on an introvert world view, and on double standards. This is not a just war, the use of force is excessive and indiscriminate, and its ultimate aim is extortion."

As Maoz also reminds his Israeli readers, overflights with sonic booms to terrorize Lebanese are the least of Israeli crimes in Lebanon, even apart from its five invasions since 1978: "On July 28, 1988 Israeli Special Forces abducted Sheikh Obeid, and on May 21, 1994 Israel abducted Mustafa Dirani, who was responsible for capturing the Israeli pilot Ron Arad [when he was bombing Lebanon in 1986]. Israel held these and other 20 Lebanese who were captured under undisclosed circumstances in prison for prolonged periods without trial. They were held as human `bargaining chips.' Apparently, abduction of Israelis for the purpose of prisoners' exchange is morally reprehensible, and militarily punishable when it is the Hezbollah who does the abducting, but not if Israel is doing the very same thing," and on a far grander scale and over many years.

Israel's regular practices are significant even apart from what they reveal about Israeli criminality and Western support for it. As Maoz indicates, these practices underscore the utter hypocrisy of the standard claim that Israel had the right to invade Lebanon once again in 2006 when soldiers were captured at the border, the first cross-border action by Hezbollah in the six years since Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon, which it occupied in violation of Security Council orders going back 22 years, while during these six years Israel violated the border almost daily with impunity, and silence here.

The hypocrisy is, again, routine. Thus Thomas Friedman, while explaining how the lesser breeds are to be "educated" by terrorist violence, writes that Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 2006, once again destroying much of southern Lebanon and Beirut while killing another 1000 civilians, was a just act of self-defense, responding to Hezbollah's crime of "launching an unprovoked war across the U.N.-recognized Israel-Lebanon border, after Israel had unilaterally withdrawn from Lebanon." Putting aside the deceit, by the same logic, terrorist attacks against Israelis that are far more destructive and murderous than any that have taken place would be fully justified in response to Israel's criminal practices in Lebanon and on the high seas, which vastly exceed Hezbollah's crime of capturing two soldiers at the border. The veteran Middle East specialist of the New York Times surely knows about these crimes, at least if he reads his own newspaper: for example, the 18th paragraph of a story on prisoner exchange in November 1983 which observes, casually, that 37 of the Arab prisoners "had been seized recently by the Israeli Navy as they tried to make their way from Cyprus to Tripoli," north of Beirut.

Of course all such conclusions about appropriate actions against the rich and powerful are based on a fundamental flaw: This is us, and that is them. This crucial principle, deeply embedded in Western culture, suffices to undermine even the most precise analogy and the most impeccable reasoning.

As I write, another boat is on its way from Cyprus to Gaza, "carrying urgently needed medical supplies in sealed boxes, cleared by customs at the Larnaca International Airport and the Port of Larnaca," the organizers report. Passengers include members of European Parliaments and physicians. Israel has been notified of their humanitarian intent. With sufficient popular pressure, they might achieve their mission in peace.

The new crimes that the US and Israel have been committing in Gaza in the past weeks do not fit easily into any standard category -- except for the category of familiarity; I've just given several examples, and will return to others. Literally, the crimes fall under the official US government definition of "terrorism," but that designation does not capture their enormity. They cannot be called "aggression," because they are being conducted in occupied territory, as the US tacitly concedes. In their comprehensive scholarly history of Israeli settlement in the occupied territories, Lords of the Land, Idit Zertal and Akiva Eldar point out that after Israel withdrew its forces from Gaza in August 2005, the ruined territory was not released "for even a single day from Israel's military grip or from the price of the occupation that the inhabitants pay every day ... Israel left behind scorched earth, devastated services, and people with neither a present nor a future. The settlements were destroyed in an ungenerous move by an unenlightened occupier, which in fact continues to control the territory and kill and harass its inhabitants by means of its formidable military might" -- exercised with extreme savagery, thanks to firm US support and participation.

The article and the interview continues online here

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Citj

I listened to the recording from MIT, worthwhile!

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Paschen

Sad, and depressing. Legal criminal politics and then we wonder why we have terrorism.

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nyctuber

Yeah, yeah, 'Zionism.' It can't be that Israel is just a legitimate safe haven for Holocaust survivors. No one wanted the Jews even after the Holocaust. Noam Chomsky is an egomaniac who blames one entity or another, but never himself. He should stick to linguistics and sail a boat to Noam Chomsky Island.

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Maireid Sullivan

You might enjoy a study of the history.

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nyctuber

'Zionism' is the new/old catch phrase of anti-Semites and self hating Jews. Israel had every right to come into existance and to protect itself, [edited]. Chomsky loves the sound of his own voice in my opinion.

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Paschen

The only one that may display hate here is you nyctuber. It is okay to disagree with what Chomsky has to say, however being abusive and insulting is not.

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nyctuber

'Zionism' is and is used as an extremely hateful term. Neo Nazis love the whole idea of 'Zionism.' It's a perfect way to try to undermine the legitimacy of Israel and pile even more hate on Jews. I'm not being hateful at all.

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Maireid Sullivan

It's not really the concept of "Zionism" that is garnering increasing descent. It is the extremely violent and continuous 'acts' perpetrated, in the name of many kind-hearted Israeli people, against the innocent, legitimate indigenous men and women and children of Palestine. These acts will go down in history as examples of outrageous sustained acts of fanaticism and terrorism - and avaricious speculation.

Chomsky nailed it in that excerpt alone.

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nyctuber

Yeah except he left out the little fact that Arafat turned down Israel's offer of 98% of what he wanted for a seperate Palestinian State, not to mention the original rejected offer. Israel endures terrorist rocket attacks day and night, and this situation basically exists because Arabs (Palestinians) have consistently refused  any compromise outside the total destruction of Israel. It's totally outrageous selective revisionist history and the only people who can subscribe to it are anti-semites whether consciously or not.

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LD

I know the Jewish people have been persecuted and I don't think anyone should have to go through that which is why this slow economic, and social chokehold of Palestinians should not be tolerated.  I'm glad I live in a country where I don't have to face random rocket attacks  but it's not like this is for no reason.  The ceasefire was broken by Israel not the other way around.  There are illegal Israelite settlements that are subsidized by government in Palestine.  There were lines drawn out in the 60's which have continually been ignored.  The West Bank is an illegal occupation.  I would most certainly throw stones at you if you came to Canada and claimed a huge chunk of it for yourself and tried to control where I could go and what I could do.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/crisisingaza/2009/02/20092191518941246.html

You will probably brand the above article as anti-semitic propaganda because it's on Aljazeera.  Rocket attacks would suck but what about phosphorous rocket shells and the bombing of schools  filled with children?  It was confirmed by Israeli military that there were no combatants in the schools.  Give me a justification for this brutal type of tactic.

I'm glad there are a few Jewish and Israelite people that are proud enough to honor those lost in the many persecutions of Jewish people by standing up against the TRUE  atrocities that are trying to be hidden under a bunch of rhetoric and propaganda. 

There's only true peace when everyone can live a safe happy life on equal terms.  Diplomacy with lasting peace as a goal should trump any financial agendas.  If you put down your guns and stop trying to take people's land the rocket attacks stop.  Isn't it weird how that works?  You don't beat people with war you win by building them up socially and lending them a hand.  Even as hard as it is to forgive what some militants have done you cannot turn a blind eye to the hurt inflicted by Israel on Palestinians.  Forcing them to live as a second rate people, if at all, will never have a peaceful outcome.  The Nazi party tried to do the same thing to the Jews at first!  Mentioning this is not being anti-semitic I love all people of all races, you cannot say something is anti-semitic just because someone has an opposing opinion, especially when that person is against supporting war or any kind of violence.


Israelites need a safe place to live and prosper but not at the expense of the Palestinians.  That which is currently happening with the stealing of land in Palestine that is of any use financially ie: water systems, fertile land, ect..


   We just need to be big enough to step up and say sorry for our mistakes without demanding for apologies.  You'll probably see just as big of a statement from the opposition if you put down your weapons and start building a path that fosters peace and harmony.

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LD

I know the Jewish people have been persecuted and I don't think anyone should have to go through that which is why this slow economic, and social chokehold of Palestinians should not be tolerated.  I'm glad I live in a country where I don't have to face random rocket attacks  but it's not like this is for no reason.  The ceasefire was broken by Israel not the other way around.  There are illegal Israelite settlements that are subsidized by government in Palestine.  There were lines drawn out in the 60's which have continually been ignored.  The West Bank is an illegal occupation.  I would most certainly throw stones at you if you came to Canada and claimed a huge chunk of it for yourself and tried to control where I could go and what I could do.

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/crisisingaza/2009/02/20092191518941246.html

You will probably brand the above article as anti-semitic propaganda because it's on Aljazeera.  Rocket attacks would suck but what about phosphorous rocket shells and the bombing of schools  filled with children?  It was confirmed by Israeli military that there were no combatants in the schools.  Give me a justification for this brutal type of tactic.

I'm glad there are a few Jewish and Israelite people that are proud enough to honor those lost in the many persecutions of Jewish people by standing up against the TRUE  atrocities that are trying to be hidden under a bunch of rhetoric and propaganda. 

There's only true peace when everyone can live a safe happy life on equal terms.  Diplomacy with lasting peace as a goal should trump any financial agendas.  If you put down your guns and stop trying to take people's land the rocket attacks stop.  Isn't it weird how that works?  You don't beat people with war you win by building them up socially and lending them a hand.  Even as hard as it is to forgive what some militants have done you cannot turn a blind eye to the hurt inflicted by Israel on Palestinians.  Forcing them to live as a second rate people, if at all, will never have a peaceful outcome.  The Nazi party tried to do the same thing to the Jews at first!  Mentioning this is not being anti-semitic I love all people of all races, you cannot say something is anti-semitic just because someone has an opposing opinion, especially when that person is against supporting war or any kind of violence.


Israelites need a safe place to live and prosper but not at the expense of the Palestinians.  That which is currently happening with the stealing of land in Palestine that is of any use financially ie: water systems, fertile land, ect..


   We just need to be big enough to step up and say sorry for our mistakes without demanding for apologies.  You'll probably see just as big of a statement from the opposition if you put down your weapons and start building a path that fosters peace and harmony.

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tikun

I think that the one who needs a history lesson may be you Mary. In all due respect, You really do not know what you are talking about. Your words imply such nonsense from the reality on the ground. It is embarrassing to read fantasy island creations. I am not sure if it is out of wishful thinking or just ignorance.

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Paschen

You use Neo Nazi the same way. No one is disputing the legitimacy of Israel and they are only 6 million people in Israel, there are more Jews living in New York. Israel can exist, however so can Palestine.

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freewind

Nyctuber

I agree that Britain made a big mistake by taking the land from the Palestinians to form the state of Israel. This is the root of the problem, I feel for the poor jews in world one. But Chomsky is a wonderful person that sees the difference between wrong and right, the same as for example Shindler or the people that hid jews in their attics during world war II. They were good people trying to help people that were being treated injustly. Chomsky and other Jews are doing the same now, they are telling the truth as it is in order to stop the injustice that is the West Bank and Gaza. They are concentration camps, and if the people try to fight back they get killed like annimals. The Israelis are the new Nazis of today and this has to end!  

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Basil Yacoub

You make me sick because you and your lot are sick in the mind.  You go and kill Palestinians, steal their land and continue victimising them and when someone protests,  you label them as anti-semite. This old sick joke. Murderers are murderers doesn't matter who they are.  Jews should integrate with the people they live with for centuries, the fact is that they don't. They consider all non-Jews are gentile they don't deserve their life.  I read parts of the Talmud and it teaches the worst of racism.  It is about time for you lot to raise your standard and try to become civilised human being.

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smallmanl

@nyctuber Why does Israel have every right to come into 'existance' (sic)? No country has a right to exist - it just does or doesn't because it is strong enough to maintain itself.

But if you are arguing that Israelis have a right to clear land of Palestinians to create a state free of its indiginous people, and if you truly believe that any Jew in the world has more right to live in Israel than a person who's family has been driven out after generations of living there .... then can I ask you where this 'right' comes from?

Israel has no right to exist ... but if you insist, tell me where - because i don't see any borders. However, I would support Israel's relocation to Germany or New York State.

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nyctuber

Because 6 million people got turned into fertilizer, and needed a refuge to survive. There were very few Arabs living in the region, and Israel got the worst part of all of it. They didnt even get the fertile Jordan River region. On top of that. Arabs can live in Israel. The Arab League rejected Israel's offer of a seperate 'Palestinian' (Arab) State very early on and Arabs have been attacking Israel ever since. Israel siezes land from which Arabs lauch their rockets. The longer I live, the clearer it becomes that people basically have zero empathy for Jews, EVER, and Anti-Semitism is indeed alive and well.

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hussain

nytuber, yes anti-Semitism is alive and will remain alive until Israel exists. The only way to make this world peaceful is to eliminate Israel.

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nyctuber

Oh, ok, well then whatever nationality you belong to, let's find a group who would prefer you didnt exist and escort you into the showers.

Anti-Semitisim existed a slight while before Israel's existance. There was this guy named Hitler... and way before that as well.

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tikun

antisemitism has nothing to do with Israel. It has been with civilization long before the State of Israel.

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Basil Yacoub

hussain 

January 22

You are totally right mate.  I could go even further.  But I won't.  Israel is a cancer in the Middle East and indeed in the world.  Unfortunately, the zionist lobby in America, is controlling the Americans and they treat them without respect or regards. But I am sure lots of Americans are wakening up now and they will say enough is enough.  I tell you hussain, Israel will  come to an end within 15 years. Zionists are getting sooooo arrogant and stupid. That will hasten their demise.

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Paschen

actually 17 million of wish 6 million where Jews, you conveniently keep forgetting all the other victims.

  

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gahooch

The UN partition of 1948 partitioned the region into a Jewish and a Palestinian state, Jordan.    In 1970 Jordan's king threw the Palestinian's out at gun point killing thousands (after offering Arafat the prime minister portfolio, that must have been an interesting conversation).

Egypt controlled Gaza until 1967 and they did nothing for the people and they still keep the door shut.  And for all the squawking Hezbollah does about the Palestinians there are still refugee camps in Lebanon. 

Isn't it interesting that the Arab states that border Palestinian areas despise these people.

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Basil Yacoub

Gahooch

Every phrase you wrote (Jan 22nd) is a lie.  Lies is part of your race.  When Peres was asked if the Israeli army killed kids in Gaza he said no child has died in Gaza.  Lies and lies and continuation of liying is part of your and your people charater.  You should be ashamed of yourself telling lies.  People know the truth. It is a common knowlegde that Jews killed and maimed more than 100,000 Palestinians.  Your mob destroyed since 1967 more than 30,000 Palestinian homes.  Your very existance is totally based on killing.  You keep liying and you will believe yourself.  Your mob will eventually be rooted out from Palestine.

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Maireid Sullivan

I like your thinking, smallmanl.

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nyctuber

Amazing.

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Basil Yacoub

Smallmanl

I would support Israel's relocation to the heaven, they love God too much and they love to have monopoly on him

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Basil Yacoub

I love to see Israel relocated to the heaven

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Fripouille

This is a very interesting post Mairead.

There is some truth in what Chomsky says here about Israel's policy on its country-building, including building facts on the ground. What I find nauseous and objectionable however, is his deliberate use of terms and insinuations which place the debate outside of the initial idea. His real and thinly-veiled reasons for doing this are to promote anti-Zionist sentiment and thereby fan the flames. The evidence of that can be read in the gutter-class comments written in answer to the interview.

Many countries, if not most, have been created by using, at some time or another, pre-emptive and sometimes irreversible policies. The difference here though, is that when it is on the subject of Israel, normally balanced individuals are suddenly transformed into glib and incendiary flamers throwing words like genocide, extermination and terrorism around as if they were discussing tomorrow's weather.

I'm afraid this is just Chomsky at his best/worst, depending one your point of view. What cannot be disputed however is his talent for getting himself noticed.

Thanks.

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nyctuber

You hit the nail on the head my friend. It's the casual nature of tossing around hateful terms which indicates the level of one's apathy and ulterior motives.

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