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This is NOT OKAY!: 60 Confirmed Cases of Stachybotrys Chartarum-150 More Allegations

by MyRights | June 21, 2008 at 12:04 pm | 598 views | 22 comments

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June 21, 2008 – 2:10 pm
Key note cases are now at 60 officially as legal review teams continue to maul over more. 150 more allegations thrown out by Baton Rouge courts paint a grim picture of the bent and twisted legal system and a cover up by the United States Health and Human Services.

Seattle Landord and Tenant, handled separately, notes another 50 claims against those landlords who are listed on the Notorious Landlords list which now involves HSC/Riverstone Corporation scattered across Washington State.

Harwood's case will be the first ever to challenge the current landlord tenate laws in Washington State. Several cases including his, will come under review. The expectation is to overthrow decisions made by the lower "superior" courts based on Health concerns. The case is expected to be heard in Seattle.          

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Barry Artiste

Ya Know My Rights, ya gotta be a tad more specific in your story, such as  media reports on this or  put an Opinion moniker to the story.  Otherwise it looks like a rant.  I am Licenced Practitioner in Human Health Risk with the Dept of Health for Washington  State and I know their laws are pretty stringent concerning Stachy.   HSC Riverston Corporation inherited a problem taking over property management functions less than a year ago.  So you are going to have to elaborate on your story for it to make sense, the Now Public J-Tip section in Now Public has valuable tips in making a regular story outstanding.

Perhaps explaining Stachybotrys is not a common mould, as is other moulds which are found outdoors would be a start, perhaps explaining how this carcinogen develops in the home etc?  Homeowners negligence in good housekeeping, Roof leaks or any other moisture related problems.  Is the Stachy airborne or surface related?   Not to piss in your cornflakes, but if you wish to make it in Now Public ya gotta do some background research into any story you publish.  Take it from me, currently for the past year, consistently at the top of the Now Public List of Contributors.

susan heath

Are you still a licenced practitioner for DOH. I see you live in B.C.

MyRights

 Ya know Barry ya need to lighten up! This is not the "Wall Street Journal" and you are not a famous reporter.   The words "confirmed" and "allegations" are used in news stories every day.  This is not a personal rant.  It invloves a public health issue.  Even if someone inherits a problem (and there are ways and laws to make sure one does not unless of course it is concealed) then they now have the obligation to deal with it.  But if they choose to deal with it by ignoring a public health issue than they have a problem.  As far as the mold statements you made I am concerned about the Dept in Washington state and their mold information.   It is much to detailed to go into here.  And what was said in the piece was enough for that.  I'm so glad you are so proud of you're position here.  But it is a public posting site and not your own little kingdom so lighten up and focus on your job.  It sounds like you have  some investigating to do.  I am not trying to be #1 here as I do not have the time. 

Barry Artiste

Hey I have no illusions, just stating a fact and judging by lack of comments here, perhaps you should elaborate on the subject more as it could be a better story.  But then being uptight like me wanting others to succeed by offering any advice in perusing the J-Tips section in Now Public in what makes news speaks volumes by those who reject all help.

PEP
good stuff:

MyRights, I like this story. It's good stuff.

The problems with toxic mold are becoming enormous across the U.S. As floodwaters in many states recede, the lingering after-effects,which may not be caught for years, can be enormous if these horrible molds grow. Because flooding causes water to leach UP in between walls, there's an enormous opportunity for mold to grow inside walls where it can't be seen.

This problem has literally been growing for years. Here's a very visible case.

 For awhile, I was a safety manager in the aerospace program and one of my specialties included environmental sciences. Along with MSDS, OSHA,and a raft of other alphabets, we had to be aware of the science of  "sick building" syndrome and how mold can develop in highly humid climates especially--even without a great deal of overt flooding. Even "minor" (just a few inches)flooding into basements can be a breeding ground for this dangerous stuff.

Keep educating people about molds and toxic buildings. You might wind up helping to save some  family's health.

Barry Artiste

You have to agree Pep, sick building syndrome attributed to IAQ have more to do with off gassing, limited fresh air entering the building, and constant return air being pumped back into a building along with everyones perfumes, body odours, office equipment off gassing, not to mention city air and traffic pollution.

Combine this with office personnel all exhaling carbon dioxide into the office space to be picked up and recirculated back into the same air space builds up a cycle of carbon dioxide in the building.   Schools for instance do not have ventilation in the classrooms, at least schools built pre 1980, as we are all former school students, I am sure you can all recall walking into class Monday morning and being greeted with the stench of stale milk, body odours and other insidious odours which accumulated over the weekend from the previous week.  Then as the day passes, around 1pm you begin to get drowsy and sleepy as most here will attest some pupils did,  That is caused by lack of fresh air and a build up of carbon dioxide by students in the class room.  This condition was more prevalent in elementary schools where students stayed in one classroom all day.  As High schools allowed students to move from classroom to classroom.  Mould is everywhere inside and outside, so even fresh air brought into the school has mould, it is just some have a more attuned environmental sensitivity to it than others. ASHRAE state 4 air changes an hour as a guideline for schools, but when schools hire janitors to perform the duties of a qualified licenced Building Engineer in order to pay  low wages, you get what you pay for and kids suffer the consequences.  Parents need to attend school board meetings and demand quality air with more than 10% fresh air supplied to their kids.   Fresh air costs money to heat and cool, so using return (Used) air already heated is cheaper, and as such schools under a tight budget always seem to cut building cleaning, heating and cooling and operating and maintenance budgets before cutting their own raises.


PEP

I'm sure you already have this in your files, but here's one industrial case.

MyRights

Thanks Pep for the reply and you are right about even the "minor" issue. Also glad to get a reply since Ace reporter judged my story based on the lack of a reply. A lot of those that respond do so on links associated with this. Will look at those links. Again thanks!

PEP

You're welcome. I was just cruising through  and because this is one of my strong interests, I saw it and read with great enjoyment.


Even "everyday" mold is nasty stuff. Can cause allergies, asthma, all kinds of things. I religiously have all my A/C and heating ducts cleaned and sanitized every year, sometimes more often, depending on weather. And my house has never been flooded or had standing water--but we get a lot of rain (when we don't have drought) that can stand and get into crawl spaces, etc. with high humidity. I also make sure that I have specialists get under the house and sanitize, too.

We went through a historical flood in my area last year; this is a topic that's of current interest in this area. And then some areas flooded again this month.

MyRights

By the way Pep your picture there is from one of my all time favorite best movies!

PEP

You recognized it! Glad you enjoyed the movie.

amyjudd
good stuff:

MyRights, I like this story. Interesting piece - scary stuff.

doc98108

I am researching the issue with Toxic Mould and Washington State. Oddly, there has been a de-emphasis within the last two years on disclosure of toxic mold placed in effect by Governor Christine Gregoire and the State Attorney General since it was enacted in 2005 due to the issues of Public Schools and e.Stachybotrys Chartarum. (source: AMRIID) Since the moderator works for DSHS Washington State, perhaps he would like to comment on this. By the way, we have a copy of the communication between Gregoire and the Washington State Attorney Generals Office. Last year alone, 271,615 (US) children were exposed to this genus, and 7% died within 90 days of exposure. Another 4% died soon there after. 1,114,078 (US) adults over the age of forty suffered moderate affects of the mold and 15% died not from so much the mold itself, but post secondary infections, and neurological damage from blood interaction as published by the CDC, AMRIID and US Health Human Services last year. My question is what does that do to your not-so -common theory. My Apartment, which is in South Park, a suburb of Seattle. I suffer from Mesothelioma and we recently extracted more than one- pound of the stuff from the floor joists alone in a house that was built in c.1906.

DSHS (Public Heath) never returned our calls.

PEP

Not surprising that calls aren't returned or things are shrugged off. We often found that contractors hired from the outside sometimes came with an agenda related to business interests. When you see an investigation or response that a) hires the same old people all the time and/or b)hires those who have strong links to a particular business or small government entity,then things can, and do, get downplayed. Which is why we always vetted through multiple levels and resources.

MyRights

I am marking this "Good Comment". We will look foward to more facts and all the information you find on what has been hidden from us.

Barry Artiste

Mesothelioma from asbestos fibre floating in the air and entering the respiratory tract certainly is a serious issue, even from short term exposure. I am surprised it was in a 100 year old house as asbestos was not common during that time, not impossible, just rare.  though I would believe it may have been put there in the late 40s to 50s.  As for Stachybotrys Chartarum even one mould spore is unacceptable, and Washington Health Units know this fact.  Canada unfortunately on have Health Canada Guidelines for moulds and not Regulations, so to sue someone in Canada over mould is a losing battle, as Guidelines are not enforceable  laws.


In regards to Stachybotrys Chartarum, there is no known biocide effective against killing it, only pissing it off, (Of course bringing the room temperature below 50 degrees will put it into dormancy) but even dormant or in it's dry state, it can still rehydrate once it reaches your mucus membranes.  The only way to get rid of it, is to don a Tyvek suit, a NIOSH approved filtered respirator (Not $1.00 paper dust masks) for moulds, turn off your furnace or ventilation, blank off the floor or wall ducts with tape,  and then use a couple of HEPA equipped Air scrubbers in the place ( they are the size of a small bar fridge) then proceed to use a (High Efficiency Particulate Air Filtered) HEPA Vacuum to suck it up, followed by a wipe down with TSP to kill any bacteria left behind. Using any other type of non HEPA Vacuum will only have the Stachy blow out the Vacuum exhaust and with the heat of the Vacuum motor allow to mould to propagate and further contaminate the home or area.


Once all this is done get a contractor certified in Duct cleaning to clean and "SANITIZE" not just your furnace, but the entire length of your return and supply ductwork and floor grilles.   

In ending, one more thing Stachybotrys Chartarum, is not outdoor natural occurring mould, it only grows indoors, due to dampness and readily available orgainic material food source,wet drywall, insulation, cardboard boxes left on concrete floors etc.  Stachy does not enter school ventilation systems from outdoor air. Plain and simple.  Wet conditions allowed to fester cause it, and lack of janitorial  knowledge in basic housekeeping principles.

Teresa McCormick

Doc98108

I also am researching thissue with Toxic Mold and Washington State.  Google "Is it safe to Buy a Home in Washington" Washington Free Press jan/Feb 2007.  The cover up began in 2003 two months before a Weyerhauser executive secretary sold her moldy home to me.  The Washington State Department of Agriculture issued a "don't tell em about the mold policy"( Mold Guidance Policy for Home Inspectors) which states that mold does not cause structural problems and need not be reported on home inspections.  Gregoire was Attorney General then.  When I sent a complaint about my inspector to the WSDA who oversees home inspectors in this State the entomologist Dan Soumi came to my home and said my inspector must have been blind as a bat, went back to his office and issued a report that my inspector did a thorough and accurate home inspection.  He has only said this one other time in four years and 42 investigations.  My inspector missed 26 different ASHI and WDO items on my home including over one thousand square feet of very toxic Chaetomium which is also a soft rot fungus.  Macroscopically it looks like any other black surface growing mold but it penetrates Oriented Strand Board to produce many more times the amount of volatile organic compounds and mycotoxins per square inch as surface growers.  Given time it will go on to produce a white appearing area called soft rot.  There are other soft rot fungi and molds such as Philophera which is well known to rot wood.  Both of these fungi are also classified as molds so the Guidance Policy is in serious error.  The State (Gregoire was given notification and requests 5-6 times of the cover-up and false investigation by the WSDA and refused to respond.  The only response I get from any office including the Auditor's Office is we will not do you attorney's work.  My attorney should not have to defend me from fraud by the State of Washington, who effectively denied my right to a fair trial against the sellers of the home by stating my inspector did a thorough and accurate inspection.  Judge Lee threw out the case saying "these items must have been hidden as the inspector did not see them and the State said he did a thorough and accurate inspection."   I fostered two initiative petitions in the state 1012 and 1013 concerning the mold and the requirement for the State to notify the public when they make a policy which would affect our health and welfare.  The Mold Guidance Policy is the best kept secret in the State of Washington.  Senator Kohl Wells who fostered the mold tenant act did not know of the policy even five years after it's inception.  Realtors, lenders, home buyers asthma physicians were all uninformed as was the information officer for the WSDA who said it never passed her office desk.  Weyerhauser pays over one million to tort reform and the US Chamber of Commerce to protect their interests.  Gregoire's daughter worked for a Weyerhauser lobby firm.  Jeff Morrell who is given credit as a wood scientist on the mold guidance policy is also a lobbyist for the Wood Products Association. Quadrant Homes owned by Weyerhauser is involved in a class action lawsuit over moldy homes caused by substandard building practices.

I would love to get together with you and share notes.  I want a copy of the Gregoire communications.  I would also like all of the communications that led up to the don't tell em about the mold policy.  Then I would like to find a newspaper brave enough to publish them.

Felton Barch
good stuff:

MyRights, I appreciate this story, although i had to read it carefully, then the reader comments to figger out what it's all about.

Mold huh .... stands to reason that as buildings get older, including the air handling systems, insulation, pipes and the like -- the likelihood of mold and bacteria would get worse.

Thanks for sharing.


zichi
good stuff:

MyRights, I like this story. It's good stuff.



In the 1970's I was a microcopist for McCrone Research Associates (London). Dr. Walter McCrone was a leader in the fields of optical microscopy, crystallography, ultramicroanalysis, and particle identification for over 50 years. My main area of work was with asbestos. Its identification, air sampling from sites, fiber in the air counting, estimating the amount of air borne contamination, supervising the asbestos removal by contractors and finally ensuring the site was safe again to use. I supervised one of the biggest blue asbestos removals in an enormous underground paper data storage site which was more than two miles in length. The companies who had stored papers there still needed access to them during the very long removal period. A system had to be set up so they would state were the files were being kept. Once located the files had to be cleaned and sealed in plastic bags before being handed over. Unfortunately the blue asbestos or Crocidolite, was just hanging from the ceiling disintegrating by the second. The site was pre-war and had in fact been built for the war. The asbestos was installed before the dangers were understood or known. The main problem with Mesothelioma, a cancer of the pleural and peritoneal lining, is that it takes years to show up, and once a person has Mesothelioma there is no cure. By the time the victim gets around to suing someone they will most likely be dead before any court settlement is reached. Here in Japan were asbestos is still not banned, there are court cases for Asbestosis and Mesothelioma which have been going on for more than 20 years with the people just dying. The blue asbestos is the most dangerous not because any asbestos is some kind of poison but because of its aerodynamic properties, and the ratio of the diameter of a fiber with the length of the fiber. Once airborne it can stay there for months hovering at nose level which people then breathe in. These fibers get into the little sac's at the end of the breathing tubes going into your lungs, they are the air filters with millions of tiny pores. This is Asbestosis. The blue asbestos blocks those pores and eventually the person is like a car engine running with a very dirty air filter. Some of these blue asbestos get onto the lining of lungs and Mesothelioma starts to form. The blue asbestos can also get into other organs like the stomach. It is widely accepted that tobacco smoke interacts with asbestos in the causation of lung cancer. This means that the risk of lung cancer for a smoker exposed to asbestos is greater than the sum of the individual effects due to smoking and due to asbestos. When asbestos is removed the stripping area is sealed with a plastic sheet tent, an air pump is used to create a negative pressure, so if there are any leaks in the tent, air is sucked in rather than blown out. Proper protective clothing must be worn and proper procedures followed which includes showering every time you leave the area. A real pain! I think the removal of toxic mold needs to be handled in the same way, at least in extreme cases and should be done by qualified contractors. All surfaces, walls and ceilings should be removed, wrapped in plastic and taken to a suitable poisons dump or burnt. In Japan toxic mold is a problem because of the high humidity and the heat. Recently the wife of a friend discovered she has toxic mold in her eye. I have also been a electrical engineer for the famous London Clinic, a private hospital and the years before moving to Japan I was an office engineer for British Telecom. I have started with many 'sick buildings' and it takes about two years to clean them up. The main cause is the lack of proper maintenance, changing of air filters every month, cleaning of individual ac units every 3 months. Changing tube lighting for the right kind. Cleaning of the large ductworks. Removal of old carpets. Introduction of many plants and inner garden areas. There are 1000's of computers, and in my opinion three of the most dangerous things found in any office are, keyboards, mouse and phones which people share without thinking. Someone returns from the toilet without washing their hands and then uses your phone, keyboard or mouse. These items should be cleaned daily. When did you last clean yours?

Barry Artiste

Excellent commentary zichi, I too went to McCrones in Chicago, funny how blue asbestos(The deadliest kind)  from Australia finds it way into London, I only found on case in Canada, when investigating for Anthrax, and it was from a Ship's Kitchen Galley inside it's stainless steel wall., later I found out the ship from the 1960's suffered a previous fire and was  refitted in Australia.  Certainly  something scary from the Blue Mountain Mines from Australia as the song goes.
 

MyRights

" Plain and simple.  Wet conditions allowed to fester cause it, and lack of janitorial  knowledge in basic housekeeping principles"   It meaning mold - Barry, everyone knows we have mold inside and out blah..blah...but your statement above sounds like the articles that in one part say its not harmful then further down say be careful it can cause disease.  Basically this is not what this is about.  It is about an apartment, home, business, etc., owner who has a"lack of knowledge of basic housekeeping principles" and knows this yet moves people in where they are made sick and the owner wants out of being accountable for their harm to others through their "lack of knowledge of basic housekeeping principles"!!! Let us shorten that to LKBHP. Is the "basic necessary because LKHP sounds better?

Barry Artiste

Hey whatever floats your Boat there Sherlock!

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