O Brother Where Art Thou? Part 2

by truthcaster | December 27, 2008 at 09:56 am
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O Brother Where Art Thou?

(Part of a series)

Part II: A false prophet is born

Eli was sickly, there was something wrong with his heart and this was complicated by bouts of asthma. But Eli has a more troubling disease that would hound him later in his life. The disease was his overwhelming need to borrow money. The late 60’s was the year where he found himself owing about P10, 000.00 from different people. He needed his brother’s help to bail him out of his trouble. To support his growing need for money, while still a minister of his church he turned to cooking food to sell. His first turo-turo was in Sampaloc, Manila. He would go to the market and gather rotting vegetables which market vendors threw away as garbage, and used this to make lumpia which he would then sell for human consumption. He boasted that this was a great idea because he had a his profit margins were high. Aside from his lumpia, he also started selling other things, including women’s bras and panties. On top of this, he also tended to raising chickens and pigs in their own back yard.

By 1970 Soriano had established 20 local congregations in Pampanga. He was entrusted by Perez to write lesson because he had good memory and could recall certain verses in the bible. However, he still did not have the authority to baptize members, nor to hold key positions in the organization. Hizon was still the only person who could baptize, debate or otherwise perform key functions aside from Perez himself. When Hizon left the group, Perez appointed Rodolfo Dela Cruz to take Hizon’s place and duties. After Perez’s death, Levita Gugulan was appointed as the leader of the group, Soriano being one of the signatories of the appointment. By this time, Soriano still did not hold any significant position, not even a ministerial position, in the organization and was always relegated to writing lessons even later on in the time of Levita Gugulan. Later, Gugulan would expel Soriano from this organization, which some reports claim was because of homosexuality.

Now without a church, Soriano remained under the radar until 1977 when he registered a new group called Iglesia ng Dios kay Kristo Hesus, Haligi at Saligan ng Katotohanad. This did not escape the notice of Levita Gugulan because, except for the word Saligan, the names were identical. Gugulan’s church filed a lawsuit against Soriano. In 1980, while the suit was still the the courts and in a preemptive move, Soriano registered another group and called it Iglesia ng Dios ka Kristo Hesus, Haligi at Saligan ng Katotohanan sa Bansang Pilipinas, Incorporated.

In 1988, Soriano lost the suit and was ordered to change his organization names to something dissimilar to Gugulan’s group. This would be the first of many instances where Soriano tries to circumvent or violate the law.

In 1993, Gugulan’s successor, Maximo Nieto fount out about the name Soriano registered in 1980, an obvious violation of the court ruling in 1988. Soriano, againt in a preemptive move, registered another name, Bayan ng Katotohanan Incorporated. He was not done. In 1994 while the case filed by Nieto was in progress, Soriano againt registered another name, Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH, Inc.

In 1995, Soriano lost to Nieto and was again ordered to change their name. He lost hsis appeal and had no choice but to use Bayan ng Katotohanan Incorporated and but was not content with the name. He later used , Iglesia ni YHWH at ni YHWSA HMSYH, Inc.

Despite being ordered twice not to use the name of Perez’s group, Soriano still maintains he is the successor to Perez and his was Perez’s original church.

see also:http://my.nowpublic.com/world/eli-soriano-o-brother-where-art-thou

references:

Ang Dating Daan by Daniel S Veridiano

resbak.com

MCGI and Soriano at wikipedia.org

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amyjudd
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at 16:32 on December 27th, 2008

truthcaster, I'm not too sure what is newsworthy about this piece now, as it speaks of many past events, but can you give it more context as to why this story is important today?

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Colonel Gates

TO THE MANAGEMENT OF NOWPUBLIC.COM

Please look into the account of this person. He is bent on disinforming - linking into NowPublic what he has been writing in his website of hate. Resbak means "revenge" in Filipino. In others words, your site is only a receptacle of his climb to evil fame.

In Topix.net, this person is identified as Conrad J. Obligacion, a minion of the Iglesia ni Cristo that is bent on destroying Eliseo Soriano.


Soriano is the Presiding Minister of the Church of God, International who doesn't refuse to excommunicate members that do not behave accordingly. As observed, these erring members joined the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC), a church group that has been exposed for its false teachings by Soriano. In retaliation then, these excommunicated members are being used to fight Soriano by the INC by all means.

The public then is forewarned.

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Babel-Fish

colonel Gates.

But the article relates to past media articles about Soriano do you mean there is no fire where there is smoke? 


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BroPaul

"Aside from his lumpia, he also started selling other things, including women’s bras and panties." - Truthcaster you are a big liar!


Where's your evidence of this claim?

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kotawinters

Weren't you looking for Eliseo Soriano whom you said has nowhere to go - in your first attempt to discredit him?

Well, he is right now holding an international convention for more than a million people all over the world through satellite that reaches many continents. This is the 2nd day now for the Members, Church of God International. Topic: The Will of God.

For you, the best that you can do is to ask your Executive Minister Eraño to learn to preach the word of God properly, and to recognize that Jesus Christ is God the son. Then you won't have to resort to all these evil things you are doing, BECAUSE -

As long as the sun rises from the east and sets at the west, Soriano will keep on exposing the false practices of the Iglesia ni Cristo - even if you have to kill him to stop his mouth. His business is truth and that is what you will get from this prophet.


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armageddonnewsflash

(sister) truthcaster aka conrad j obligacion,

Remember what I said to your brother rizalino l arrabis? Your INC spies who are  currently living in our Convention Center in Apalit Pampanga and those that are now anchoring your Ang Tamang Daan religious television program have one thing in common: they ate the free foods, literally and spiritually, that Brother Eli has prepared for the visitors. They also ate the lumpia and they are still physically alive! Proof? Watch Ang Tamang Daan at NET25 and see them there, talking about lumpia.

Granted Bro Eli sells lumpia, it's a nutritious vegetable food where profits go to free bible given to visitors, free tickets to MRT for the old and disabled, free medical and legal consultation, and bible expositions. And your INC spies ate last night since they attended the 3-day Thankgiving of the Members, Church of God International to the God of Israel.

INC Spies are considered visitors, just so you know, they get a free bible, lodging, water, electricity, medicine, groceries, just because of lumpia. I am sure, because they will be here in Apalit Convention Center until tomorrow and some will stay because they live here.

Maybe you can come and listen to Bro Eli Soriano too as he preaches

 "The Will of God," based on the Holy Bible.

Hypocrisy runs to your blood KA conrad j obligacion . Just come to think of it, your INC spies need not live or eat the free foods here because Erano Manalo can take care of them because he inherited the billions of his father, Felix Manalo who started his IGLESIA ni CRISTO, a corporation sole, without a single penny when he and his wife travelled on a small boat:

In July 1914, "...Felix Manalo and his Wife Honorata left Pasay and crossed the Pasig River by boat..." (wikepidia) 

"Felix Manalo was born on May 10, 1886 in Calzada, a sitio in the barrio of Tipas, Taguig, Rizal province to parents Mariano Ysagun and Bonifacia Manalo. His birth brought so much joy to his parents that he was given the name Felix and was baptized in a nearby Catholic chapel. His family was poor that his father struggled to provide the needs of his family , took two jobs as a farm worker and fisherman while his mother nursed their children." http://www.nhi.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=158&Itemid=1

"...Felix Manalo was afflicted with an intestinal disease and died on April 12, 1963..." (wikipedia)

It was only after many years later, in February 1963, that Manalo fell gravely ill. He was rushed to St. Luke’s hospital in Quezon City where doctors decided to remove immediately "an intestinal obstruction". Manalo rejected the surgery, saying, "Doctors can cure only those who are not yet to die, not those whose time has come." By March 21, 1963, his incapacitation was total and he was transferred to Veterans Memorial Hospital. Doctors operated on him but failed to give him relief from pain. On April 2, the doctors worked on Manalo again to sew back part of his intestines which had burst and hemorrhaged. On April 11, they performed a third surgery on him. It proved to be the last. (Isabelo T. Crisotomo , May-June 1986 Pasugo magazine)

2 Chronicles 21:15
You yourself will be very ill with a lingering disease of the bowels, until the disease causes your bowels to come out.

2 Chronicles 21:18-19
After all this, the LORD afflicted Jehoram with an incurable disease of the bowels. In the course of time, at the end of the second year, his bowels came out because of the disease, and he died in great pain.

In the bible, there was this wicked Judean king named Jehoram. For his wickedness, God sent Elijah to warn him of his fate:... http://pasugo-1914.blogspot.com/2008/09/in-bible-there-was-this-wicked-judean.html

Your sash is a SABLAY, (you're missing the mark" or "you're losing your touch"). Take it off. You are a shame to the community. You know what I mean...!

Or maybe, conrad j obligacion, since you do deny being an INC, having said that: 

"I don’t have any affiliation from the INC Administration nor NET25. Never had and probably never will." at 08:24 on December 17th, 2008 http://my.nowpublic.com/world/eli-soriano-o-brother-where-art-thou

And since you deny being an Iglesia ni Cristo member, oh I see the point! You deny that you are from INC Admin and NET25. Of course you are not because you do not want to take part in their stupidity when it comes to facts and evidences mangling, of video, voice tapes, and news which these two groups have been doing against Bro Eli Soriano. But you do not deny that you are an INC, an Iglesia ni Cristo, an INC member, a CBI, SAGIP member. But you and INC Admin and NET25 sure have the same spirit and style of writing, name calling technique as wormwood mentioned in:

1. http://my.nowpublic.com/world/inc-shouts-where-sir-erano-manalo

2. http://my.nowpublic.com/press/inc-still-shouts-where-sir-erano-manalo  

You are like Felix Manalo changing his real surname of Ysagun inspite of how his father brought him up. You can rewrite the biography of Felix Ysagun or Erano Ysagun as Felix Manalo and Erano Manalo if you like. If you do this, then you might probably not clear the name of Erano Ysagun Manalo but see him in person, if you can.

Have you seen Erano Manalo in person? I can't answer you about that because when the Manalo's try to type their names in the internet, especially, in google, who do you think they will read, 2nd or 3rd and so on? You and rizalino l arrabis. They will read how you two damaged their name by writing wantonly here with your prejudice, bigotry, and discrimination.  They have all the means to detect and find you. As rizalino l arrabis himself wrote:

"...My idea here is to defend the Iglesia Ni Cristo, demolish, and neutralize the detractors for all these comes up as the battle for the hearts and minds. I know pretty well that I have done a good job worthy of a Christian soldier...." - Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:25 PM EST http://janeabao.newsvine.com/_news/2007/11/30/1132334-razon-requests-razon-please-protect-my-accuser#c1306573

I don't know with you on how you will explain your side to the Manalos and how Erano Manalo will face you because of what you two have wrote about them, and besides, he is nowher to be found.

I saw Bro Eli Soriano in person and even asked him of my spritual and biblical questions and he answered me base on the Holy Bible. I will give you verses I learned from him while listening in indoctrination.

1 Peter 4 (THE MESAGE)

 1-2Since Jesus went through everything you're going through and more, learn to think like him. Think of your sufferings as a weaning from that old sinful habit of always expecting to get your own way. Then you'll be able to live out your days free to pursue what God wants instead of being tyrannized by what you want.

 3-5You've already put in your time in that God-ignorant way of life, partying night after night, a drunken and profligate life. Now it's time to be done with it for good. Of course, your old friends don't understand why you don't join in with the old gang anymore. But you don't have to give an account to them. They're the ones who will be called on the carpet—and before God himself.

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kotawinters

IT IS NOT A SECRET that Eliseo Soriano borrows money. But for what?

It is not for himself but for the propagation of God's word. The preacher's economics is different from that of your own preachers who enrich themselves in every occasion. For Soriano, he can afford to borrow because he has his own properties built out of his own labor which he uses to advance the work of God. Where have you seen one willing to spend all for the progress of God' work? From just the Philippines, he has come to conquer other continents where internationals listen to his preaching personally or via satellite.

The satellite receivers alone cost billions. The broadcasts for bible expositions cost as much. The maintenance of the biggest convention center in Asia also exact not just a pittance. If you just honestly look into Philippines alone when the congregation of the Members, Church of God International gather come International thanksgivings, you cannot imagine the hundreds of comfort rooms built for the purpose and the budget that went into it. This is not even to mention the orphanages and the transient houses that the preacher built to accommodate the needy. Compared to this selfless and humanitarian preacher, what has your Manalo done? Merely collecting money in the name of tithes!

What you should correct are your false practices and teachings - instead of putting Eliseo Soriano in bad light.

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Art_By_Alida

The comments are more interesting than the post, lol.

What drama!

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believer

hahaha..

i would volunteer to say or post it again..

the comments are more interesting than the post...

and let me add something...

because the post are all lies.. no evidences, just pure lies they gathered from their false leader and false religion where christ is a human...

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truthcaster

so true


all I can say to them is "don't drink the kool-aid".

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armageddonnewsflash

No! I won't laugh to your adage, truthcaster aka conrad j obligacion!

How can you say, "don't drink the kool-aid"? If such is the case, the risk a heartless got to take, really!

Haven't Erano Manalo told you or even your INC Admin or your INC youth leaders, that several INC Spies were being sent to ADD Convention Center in Apalit, Pampanga, Philippines? Why continue sending your INC brethren in our place if they will just die there physically and spiritually? Your Iglesia ni Cristo Spies in fact live there, and they eat together with our ADD workers.  Bro Eli cooks for them actually, ask your TV anchors when he was still here, before he left to have bible expositions around the world. Your INC Spies also attend bible studies conducted by Bro Eli, Bro Daniel Razon and Ministry In Charge.

Regardless whether the colloquial adage conrad_j_obligacion stated is literal or not, this INC really has proven that they have no compassion for one another. And that would lead to another conclusion, how much more a compassion to non INCs?

Those INC spies who finally learned the truth, they themselves testified that having gone and lived with ADD members, made them finally learn what love is, compassion towards all men even their enemies.  These INC and INC spies, with teary eyes, said that they haven't felt compassion for the longest time, before they heard the ADD/MCGI indoctrination and experienced living around the ADD members.

And those INC Spies, whose heart contains fanaticism, there, they are back in your Ghost Town anchoring your HYPROCRITAL religious tv program Ang Tamang Daan/ The Right Way and talking about lumpia Bro Eli prepared which they really love to consume, and they eat the free ones. Wow! Zombies on TV! What would you expect to an ungrateful person, even in human standards?

They are zombies you know, heartless. If they really are human enough, they will ask your INC spies not to go ADD Convention and eat and drink there because of your baseless fear, fear of change to have God's standards as a way of living. They don't find the need to broadcast it on TV for the sake of you INC spies.

Do you really consider yourself as a Christian Soldier like your INC brother rizalino l arrabis a k a elias ibarra who stated:

"...My idea here is to defend the Iglesia Ni Cristo, demolish, and neutralize the detractors for all these comes up as the battle for the hearts and minds. I know pretty well that I have done a good job worthy of a Christian soldier...." - Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:25 PM EST http://janeabao.newsvine.com/_news/2007/11/30/1132334-razon-requests-razon-please-protect-my-accuser#c1306573

Actually, INC Spies living and visiting here in ADD Convention are not Christian Soldiers but rather they are similar to suicide bombers, the only difference is that the switch is being held by your INC Leaders. They thought that there really is a big chance that your INC youth Spies will sooner or later find the truth that is in God.

Are these Christian Soldiers the ones  your INC Admin Ministers were calling during a tv broadcast of Ang Tamang Daan in NET25? Maybe they where not really calling for the Muslim Brothers, but rather they were calling their INC Christian Soldiers to do their task:

An INC Minister Ramil Parba said,

 "If I am a Muslim, I will not allow just that..., If I were an Abu Sayaff..., or MILF..., or if I am a suicide bomber member for example, surely I will not allow that...". "I will attack Apalit", immediately added by Michael Sandoval while giggling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdnkoY7eHPQ.

These two Ministers giggle and laugh while insinuating that their thoughts can persuade the Filipino Muslims and other groups to be offended on the mangled tape they made against Bro Eli. These INC Ministers know how to evoke anger from the viewer Muslims, and the terrorists through subliminal insinuations and transfer that anger towards Bro Eli! These Ministers', Parba and Sandoval, true intention is really to induce Muslims to follow INCs' evil-scheme. Watch this youtube video in full how that Parba who is an INC Minister/professor/Admin/etc was not able to conceal his heart together with colleague brother INC Minister Sandoval in  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdnkoY7eHPQ.

However, those INC spies who were converted to good may fear for their own life, it is natural for men to feel such, but with the attitude that God holds our lives and He has the power to get it back or give it. To Kill for the Sugo/Angel/Minister is saved will no longer be an oath for exINC spies but rather this, "For to me to live in Christ and to die is gain." 

Truthcaster , you are a fish caught in your own mouth, a rat caught in your own trap. I haven't forgotten that you are neither confirming nor denying that you are an INC. You just confirmed that you do not belong to the INC Admin and NET25. How about the INC SAGIP youth group?  If you are human enough, tell your INC youth spies not to come and settle here because of what you know! Because those INC Spies who anchors Ang Tamang Daan did not do so, because it is not true and they are the living proof.

Conrad_ j_obligacion , the fact here is, you cannot avoid it when you soon find yourself going in ADD Convention Center when the INC youth leaders or INC Admin bid you to go and spy on ADD. See! You are now trying to ask on the net the whereabouts of Bro Eli Soriano so you can do your spying task. How do you feel now? Do you feel remorse for doing this because sooner or later you will eat lumpia too? Or do you feel gratitude to Erano Manalo for approving your moves in the cyberworld?

Or perhaps, Eduardo Ysagun Manalo approves your articles. Let me just remind you that it is noted in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_V._Manalo, that Eduardo Villanueva Manalo has contributed to the founding of an organization within the INC called The Association of Christians in Information Technology (AsCII), an organization consisting of INC members in the Information technology field who perform computer-related assistance to the church.

When will you ever learn truthcaster aka conrad j obligacion or rizalino l arrabis aka elias ibarra ? When will Erano Manalo learn and come out?

But can we blame them? Eraño Manalo was heard saying such word "gago" (fool) to a higher degree when he exclaimed, "napakagagong pangangasiwa...!" or "...so stupid administration that you spend for the polluter..." Even Erano Manalo claimed that almost all of their church workers are liars, insinuating that this includes himself. He also mentioned that his workers are cheats, thiefs, etc.: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VpTBfdw7Tsk.

HYPOCRITE

–noun

1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocritical

Matthew 24:48 The Message
"But if that person only looks out for himself, and the minute the Master is away does what he pleases—abusing the help and throwing drunken parties for his friends—the Master is going to show up when he least expects it and make hash of him. He'll end up in the dump with the hypocrites, out in the cold shivering, teeth chattering."

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melvscaster

The comments are more very true than the Blog Topic itself

Dear Readers,

If  you want the truth bypass the Story you will learn more with the comments posted.

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A Believer

If you have a strong faith in GOD and GOD ALONE, you will not be fooled by some FALSE PREACHERS. That is, if you really have a strong FAITH. We must always keep in mind, that we people should not be easily carried away by the teachings of just some who pretends that they know everything about the bible. Let's analyze, afterall, wrong interpretation of the bible is a BIG sin, and the consequences? that's the most scariest I think....

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A Believer

We must love one another, not to hate each other.

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A Believer

After all, WHO can PROVE that whatever MANALO or SORIANO is saying is TRUE? Right? I think we must think before we believe into something else. GOD is ONLY the TRUTH and the ANSWER. Love GOD and ONLY GOD.

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Babel-Fish

I recommend this as it is true account of the history of Soriano taken from the records of the Filipino media.


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Babel-Fish

I also add the advice.

Don't ever trust the middle men they are after your money, pray direct and you will be richer for it.

All these religions have three things in common

1. They want money

2. They want power over you and your family to get your money

3. They want your children to pay them money later in life.

Second piece of advice.

Buy a holy book read it thoroughly, learn about your religion you do not need others to preach to you and they normally adapt the words in the Bible to suit there form of religion to keep you attracted to their religion alone. It's all to do with money just look at the preachers car clothes and home. Look at your own worldly goods and your life if you have not got much and find it hard to put food on the table, then you certainly need the money more than the priests and the religious cults. 

Then ask why their lives are better off than your own? The answer is you help pay for their daily needs and luxuries. Jesus or God may be in your heart, but certainly not in theirs.   

Any charity offered by these cultist are only related to a small percentage of earnings or direct charity gifts. This is all part of the religious con.   


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Bryan Estranero

If it is true that Daniel "Puto" Veridiano wrote this nonsensical postings,I would strongly recommend to all people who have read and may read it to examine the motive of this person.How can I say this? Do I know Daniel Veridiano personally? Fortunately,as God willed I was with this person weeks before he made a huge mistake in transferring to Iglesia ni Manalo.There's only one thing I would like to ask you Puto,If you really believe that iglesia ni Manalo is the real church then why you never mentioned that you found the truth in iglesia ni Manalo when we were together? You even testified that the only true church is the Church overseer by Bro.Eli and Bro.Daniel.When we were together,I didn't see any feeling of remorse for what you did.This only proves one thing,you only wanted revenge to the very person who once treated you with kindness and taught you the way of the Lord.Puto,you are pathetic!

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tagamasid

im not a member of any of the religious factions but fact remains that eliseo soriano is still considered as an international fugitive by the interpol. i think he better clean his name before preaching.


http://www.interpol.int/public/data/wanted/notices/data/2008/50/2008_13250.asp


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john lennon

just don't believe in any religion at all. its quite easy.

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