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O... M... G...! Enough Already!
Here we are, four days away from the Electoral College vote, to be held on December 15, 2008, and at this point, it appears the vote will hold no surprises as to the outcome, with President Elect Barack Obama having earned at least 365 electoral votes with only 270 required to obtain the Presidency of the United States. It is not expected that mail in or provisional ballots, that were still being factored into the total vote count, will alter the outcome.
Of the 50 states and the District of Columbia, which casts 3 electoral votes, 27 states are required by state law or pledges to vote for specific candidates.
The official results of the Electoral College vote will be revealed during a joint session of Congress on January 8, 2009.
Click here for a list of specific obligations for each state.
This citizenship challenge thing, that questions his eligibility to serve because it is alleged he is not a United States' citizen, began months ago really, focused on the guy with the perceived 'odd' name and his history, with that history becoming arguably one of the most explored biographies in the history of any American candidate for president.
Ultimately, reared mainly by his White grandparents, his mother's parents, his father, a Black man from Kenya, his upbringing has created a rich tapestry of experience by walking among various cultural influences.
He lived in Hawaii, Indonesia and mainland United States, with all of his life experiences shaping him into the man that has succeeded in winning a hard fought contest to become the 44th President of the United States.
His being African American is worthy of note due to America's legacy of enslaving Americans of African descent, with most believing this occurrence, his election, represents a quantum leap forward for American society.
Okay, he's won the election. But, the lingering shadow of manufactured queries about citizenship have been plaguing Barack Obama since, well, it sure seems like since he first decided to run but, it's been at least ratcheted up since the primaries in the spring of 2008.
A series of lawsuits meant to force a non-issue of citizenship to the fore to disqualify the then Senator, similar to the one filed in California by Gary Kreep, were brought to court at that time and now continue to weave their way through court systems in states all through the United States as President Elect Obama is poised to take office on January 20, 2009. (Click here to read about the ongoing campaign to continue challenging the Obama Presidency.)
Mr. Kreep has named all 55 electors in California as co-defendants in his lawsuit. His intent? According to SignOnSanDiego.com, in relaying the experience of one of the electors, it was revealed:
Early the next morning, when she (the elector) was served court papers before Sunday breakfast, she learned why she was being pursued at such odd hours.
Along with the 54 other California electors, Young has been named in a lawsuit that seeks to bar Secretary of State Debra Bowen from certifying the state's electors “until such documentary proof is produced and verified showing that Senator Obama is a 'natural born' citizen of the United States and does not hold citizenship of Indonesia, Kenya or Great Britain.”
On Monday, December 15, 2008, all 55 electors of California cast their votes for President Elect Obama.
The first citizenship lawsuit to make it to the Supreme Court's attention, brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey, at the insistence of Justice Clarence Thomas, with the matter previously being dismissed by fellow Supreme Court Justice David Souter, as the case came up on the docket while he also serves on the Third Circuit Court, was dismissed on Monday, December 8, 2008 without comment.
The majority of the United States Supreme Court's current judges all were nominated by Republican presidents, with all obviously being confirmed to the bench. Bear in mind that this court has been particularly focused on the preservation of the Constitution.
Maybe those who are attempting to keep this issue in the forefront should consider that if one of the most conservative courts in modern history has dismissed a lawsuit without comment, a lawsuit challenge to the citizenship status of President Elect Barack Obama, a lawsuit which at the heart of its argument, had been posed as a constitutional issue, maybe, just maybe, that should be seen as an indicator that there truly IS no 'smoking gun' to be uncovered as relates to this issue.
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at 09:37 on December 11th, 2008
Karen, well said! It's OVER. Accept the result and move on!
at 09:59 on December 11th, 2008
I fear the racists, liars, knotheads and easily confused will continue this charade until you pry the "smoking gun" from their cold, dead hands.
It would be different were we dealing with rational people.
at 10:00 on December 11th, 2008
I think if he wasn't born here or whatever he wouldn't have run for office. He's obviously a very intelligent man.
Also I dont think there's any harm mentioning his grandparents were white, though we all know that. That's something I've always thought was beautiful about him that he literally bridges a gap, as many people do, between races.
As a white woman originally from Kansas, like his mother, I'd have been proud to have him as my child. His mother was a really neat woman, too, helping to establish microloans for women in Indonesia long before it became a trend to do so. She was truly a citizen of the world falling in love with men from diverse backgrounds...And now here we all are citizens of the world, too, with all the potential that love brings.
at 10:20 on December 11th, 2008
I agree, Lefty_Liberated, no harm at all. I will do so right now.
at 10:00 on December 11th, 2008
Enough already for Joe not even a real plumber the Plumber as well! Why are we still hearing what he thinks???? Who the h*** cares what he thinks??!?!?!
at 10:35 on December 11th, 2008
"with President Elect Barack Obama having earned at least 365 Electoral votes with only 270 required to obtain the Presidency of the United States." -if you take in account ACORN falsified votes, yes.
"This citizenship thing began months ago really, focused on the guy with the perceived 'odd' name and his history, with that history becoming arguably one of the most explored biographies in the history of any American candidate for president" -don't think HUSSIAN is such an odd name, for a Somali national. / "biography" has been critically examined and determined to be a product of the domestic terrorist, bill ayers
"a hard fought contest to become the 44th President of the United States." -agreed, as he was set up to lose against Hilly-bob Klinton.
"Oh, by the way, he's African American," -well, half anyway.
"America's legacy of enslaving Americans of African descent" -how about Islam's current legacy of enslaving those of African descent -to this day!
"his election, represents a quantum leap forward for American society" as the second black president -if you rely on the veracity of the American main-steam liberal press, as they (along with our great current political black leadership) declared Bill-bob to be first.
hmmmm......"The United States Supreme Court's current judges all were nominated by Republican presidents,"
Ruth Bader Ginsburg -appointed by Slick Billy Clinton
Stephen Breyer -also -appointed by Slick Billy Clinton
so, if it was dismissed without comment -does that mean the citizenship qualification has been proven validated by the Supremes? - I think not, and maybe a little research before you post wouldn't be such a bad thing, otherwise I see a bright future for you at CNN or PBS. :)
at 11:26 on December 11th, 2008
My goodness!
There was one (1) germ of truth in that rant. Must be slipping.
Other than that, more sounds of rats scratching in the attic.
at 11:08 on December 11th, 2008
This guy is living proof that NowPublic should limit the amount of posts an anonymous user can give.
at 12:30 on December 11th, 2008
If I am in error regarding two of nine appointments, my error does not eliminate the reality of all the rest I have stated regarding the justices' and their refusal to hear the case.
at 12:50 on December 13th, 2008
"so, if it was dismissed without comment -does that mean the citizenship qualification has been proven validated by the Supremes?"
It means, as stated above, due to the character of the court:
" .... if one of the most conservative courts in modern history has dismissed a lawsuit without comment, a lawsuit challenge to the citizenship status of President Elect Barack Obama, a lawsuit which at the heart of its argument, had been posed as a constitutional issue, maybe, just maybe, that should be seen as an indicator that there truly IS no 'smoking gun' to be uncovered as relates to this issue."
at 10:41 on December 11th, 2008
I agree - I'm tired of having this same discussion about him.
at 12:23 on December 11th, 2008
Normal 0 `not leaving, it'll come back to us, when his much-vaunted leadership comes crashing down in flames, and it will, just look at the political cesspool this guy was spawned out of, and all the criminal double-dealings they have recently been caught in. Either the guy is a major crook -Rezco, Ayers, Wright, Blagojevich, Farachan, ACORN, Freddie-Mac, Fannie-Mae,etc., or a total moron for not seeing who these people are, and what is their modus operandi. BTW -we haven't had a real consevative in Office since Ronald Wilson Regan, although G.Bush1 and G.Bush2 are both honorable men ( -a label I doubt could be applied to 99.9% of the liberal democRATs in power today) , and have kept MY country safe from terrorisim in our streets -even after good 'ol Billy-Bob opened our borders for all sorts of foreigners to in come here and plot our demise.
at 12:52 on December 11th, 2008
Here, have some more Kool-Aid.
You and the rest of the 25% who cling to Boy George should be pitied and not mocked.
at 13:08 on December 11th, 2008
LOL, funny derkel that we "25%" kept the Bushes in power thru 3 terms.
at 14:05 on December 11th, 2008
As I said, pathetic.
Pray for him.
at 17:57 on December 11th, 2008
Not all of us are convinced Bush was legitimately elected the first time. 9-11 sure reaked of a diversion Hitler pulled, exploding a building, to gain power. And most of us know the Bush family did business with the Nazis.
http://my.nowpublic.com/how_bushs_grandfather_helped_hitlers_rise_to_power
The U.S. is supposed to be equal opportunity and for a father and son to rule is an embarassment. It's about as redneck as the family itself.
at 15:10 on December 11th, 2008
Its all a moot point anyways we all know the rules and there is no way in H*** that Mr. Obama would have even attempted to run for office if his citizenship documentation was not 100% in order. As stated earlier he is a very intellegent person. The US government has check it out more than once and you can be sure if the HLS, CIA or FBI found any evidence that he might not be a legal candidate for the Presidency they would have made sure it was made public and brought before the proper authorities.
Yes he's from Chicago but lets not through out the baby with the bath water not all politicians are from Chicago and not all chicago politician are crooks.
at 15:25 on December 11th, 2008
Frankly I am a little disappointed that this whole "citizenship" thing appears to have gone away. It skews my worldview to think that the government might have a lick of fairness and propriety to it. Still you have admit if I could steal an election I would be hard-pressed to want to steal this one - better to let the other guy take the blame for the entire economic doo-doo storm that we're in for.
Seriously though, if Obama has promised change based on the people he's chosen to be on his team, then he is counting on our gullibility. The majority of names I have heard are all party regulars.
at 15:45 on December 11th, 2008
This issue has come up before. McCain's qualification to be president was questioned based on where he was born, earlier this year. Just as silly as this one about Obama, proving there are weird, don't- give- up-try-anything cabals on left and right.
at 16:04 on December 11th, 2008
oh, sorry to confuse all you intellectuals by injecting actual facts into the discussion here, so I'll leave all you idiots to float around in your fairy-land utopia.
at 16:17 on December 11th, 2008
Careful...paranoia...it'll destroy ya....
at 10:38 on December 12th, 2008
Just so folks know, then Senator Obama voted to affirm John McCains citizenship. One should also note that Hawaii was not a state until 1959, Obama was born in 1961. Enough Already is probably a good headline as the American People voted for him by several percentage points. A landslide compared to the last several razer thin elections. My argument regarding American's getting over the race issue is that Obama raised nearly 700 Million dollars. If there was such opposition 501c would have out raised him and blanketed the airwaves with commericals. It didn't happen. I hear on the streets, even though I don't express opposition publically on Obama, is "Obama is President deal with it" I say to the Black Community the so called white America did not provide a high level of opposition. I think it is safe to say, racism in America has declined so much in the last 30 years, "Deal with it"
at 12:04 on December 12th, 2008
Well, Al, as your comment seems to be in a semi-admonishing tone and command, the majority of the African American community is aware we are not experiencing the same race relations of 30 years ago and, as has always been what we are required to do, we deal with any and all new transformations and expressions that do come our way.
Of course we know White American did not provide a high level of opposition to Obama, but, among those that have and do, for racial reasons, there is a visceral reaction that is downright bizarre and frightening.
The White community must acknowledge and deal with that.
at 15:47 on December 15th, 2008
The comment was about Balance. I wonder where the out rage is over Palin's Church being set a blaze. What if it were Obama's Church? I don't see what you see, I don't hear what you hear (Christmas Pun Backwards). Is it because I am in bed most of the time? Is it because I live in a mixed community? Is it because I am ignorant? Is it because I choose my friends carefully and don't tolerate racists? Obama being elected is a huge move on Amercia. The few that are crying about Obama being black must be in the woods somewhere. In SC most people have been happy with the selections Obama has made. The only crying I hear is on the Left. Admittadly there is the RNC and Right Wing Bloggers screaming that Obama is involeved with the Governor some how. Any fair minded American understands that The Governor of Ill. Hates Obama because he wouldn't play. I am actually glad to hear that. So wat you heard was a bit of sarchasim from a guy that has probably sheltered himself from the hate in the world. I was hated by White folks in grade school. I can only remember one Black Muslim, in Basic Training, who showed hate toward me. I have only been beat up by whites. Hurt by whites.
at 14:12 on December 17th, 2008
I will admit, Al, you've lost me on most of this latest comment.
Any perceived outrage was not the intent of my piece. It was being tired of many pursuing, as some holy mission, the pretense to uphold constitutional adherence when, as of the election, this is an attempt to overthrow the election process.
I fail to see what any of this has to do with Sarah Palin's church being burned down, especially since my piece is not about churches being torched.
The burning of a house of worship is an act that should not be condoned or ignored with whomever did it being prosecuted for the act.
But, I must say, I haven't a clue why this was raised within the context of a discussion about attempts by some to usurp the presidential election.
What balance are you seeking? I didn't write about some other church being burned, omitting the story of the govenor's church. Blagojevich? Muslims? White kids beating you up?
The sarcasm re: what? The African American community dealing with the fact that racism has changed since 30 years ago?
The reality that many within the White community have tried to claim, since those 30 years, that there is no longer ANY racism, has been dispelled, with many tendencies toward racism coming to the forefront as this presidential campaign season progressed to its outcome.
ANYONE having heard of the increased incidents of a racial nature since President Elect Obama was elected, with the most racist site on the internet, Stormfront, crashing due to site traffic overload with intent to join, knows this to be untrue and is simply an overstatement or overreaction to the positive result of the Obama election.
America is in transition, no doubt. Any who are willingly aboard for the ride are markedly different from those who are kicking and screaming for a return TO 30 years ago and beyond, with calls for the repeal of much of the legislation that has resulted in the election of America's first African American president, i.e., the Voting Rights Act and repeal of Constitutional Amendments, included among those the one that abolished slavery and bestowed status upon the formerly enslaved.
The growing popularity and interest in Neo Nazi/White nationalist/supremacist organizations cannot be overlooked or ignored. Those who follow the movements of these types regularly report on increased activity, including information provided in a F.B.I. created advisory report, distributed to law enforcement agencies nationally this past spring 2008.
Knowledge is the first line of defense against this type of activity. Pretending racism does not exist ill prepares and disarms possible intended targets.
at 10:52 on December 12th, 2008
Karen, a good post I just hope we don't have to put up with all this nonsense for the next eight years.....zichi
at 12:08 on December 12th, 2008
Thanks for dropping by, Zichi! I actually fear we will be hearing this whenever Obama's name is mentioned, long after he's out of office, maybe being raised after we're all gone.
This is yet another 'first ever' to be added to the rest of the 'first ever' occurrences with his election.
at 15:12 on December 12th, 2008
-unfortunately (for Hussian's supporters, and the citizens of this America), with all the news now surfacing regarding the septic tank this character crawled out of, I sincerely doubt that this will mark the up and coming headlines that the left-wingnut views media will be unable to sweep under the rug.
blagojevich,ACORN, ayers, jackson jr., rahm emanuel, rezco, fannie-mae/ freddie-mac, the continuing clinton saga, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.......,all most likely, just the tip of the iceburg.
have a happy day :)
at 15:38 on December 12th, 2008
Zichi,
I fear it will not go away. The felons, perverts and drug addicts of right-wing radio will keep stirring it up to feed the bottom feeders and keep them as obedient followers.
They all pretty pathetic, really, but that's life.
at 15:44 on December 12th, 2008
Dunkelberg, I would hope that with the country in such a mess, and one largely created by repubs that they would have something more useful to offer than this nonsense.