Obama says pointed abortion query “above his pay grade”

by BigT | August 16, 2008 at 10:46 pm
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Obama and McCain, both going after the evangelical vote, answered some questions from noted evangelical pastor Rick Warren. Why did they do this?

Both candidates were vying for the “faith vote,” in particular the one in four U.S. adults who count themselves as evangelical.
Thanks for answering my question highlighting tool. I wonder how McCain answered a question about when a person becomes a person?

He [McCain] said a baby’s human rights began “at the moment of conception … I have a 25-year pro-life record.”
Wow! Thanks for that answer again highlight tool. Now, I bet you that Obama gave a better answer than McCain did. I mean, come on! Obama is fresh and young and is all about change and all that jazz. Plus, unlike all those moronic republicans, he can talk. Oh how he talks! So, how did he answer this simple question Mr. highlight tool?

“… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question  with specificity … is above my pay grade.”
[Crickets chirping]

That has to be a misprint. Right? Highlight tool - are you there?

Wow, I guess Senator Obama has no opinion about such a fundamental question as to when a person becomes a person. Doesn't that strike you as odd?

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you suck

Crickets indeed...

Rhonda J Mangus
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at 04:03 on August 17th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Jordan Yerman
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at 05:15 on August 17th, 2008

Obama can't afford to stay silent for long on this one: pro-choice voters will have no compelling reason to vote for him unless he differentiates himself from McCain on this one. Even though Democrats are traditionally pro-choice, it's not something that can be taken as read.

Emilio Lizardo
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at 05:48 on August 17th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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Bob Carson

In my opinion, McCain alienated many women voters last night by poking out his chest at the idea that he is pro life.

PEP
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at 06:55 on August 17th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff. Talking out out loud to the HT now, are you? Be careful you aren't next talking to a sock over your hand.      ;}

Yea, Obama's answer was....amazing. In terms of being...dumb, among other things. Hi, elect me, I have answers for you. Here's my answer: I'll leave that to a higher pay grade 'cause I don't know.

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bill hicks

At least he told the truth.  Obama would not answer.  Which one is qualified to lead?  The one who answers the question in truth.

tikun
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at 08:15 on August 17th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Obama reminds me of the wizard of oz. Behind that giant figure is a little man manipulating alot of hot air. I am not a McCain fan but I have a hard time finding any substance coming out of Obama words. Lots of vague stuff called change and a new world order. Hmmm. I want the truth not change.

René
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at 08:17 on August 17th, 2008

This is not the most crucial issue. Personally anyone who can have a real effect on this should also have a plan to provide for all the extra babies. and not just on welfare!

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slowdown

"Wow, I guess Senator Obama has no opinion about such a fundamental question as to when a person becomes a person. Doesn't that strike you as odd?"

No, that strikes me as eminently sensible. He's saying that he's not qualified scientifically or theologically to give a definitive answer as to when personhood begins. That shows me that he understands the dificult nature of the issue (experts in both the religious and the scientific spheres don't have a clear consensus), and that he understands the role of a leader is to recognise complex issues as being complex, not to paint them as simple because it's politically convenient to do so.

McCain's position is fine, if it's what he truly believes and not what some pollster has told him to say. But personally I doubt it's anything more than a vote-getting ploy.

Fairbanks
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at 10:43 on August 17th, 2008

A US Senator is required to consider questions like this.  Nothing is above his paygrade but his mouth is on autopilot. 

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eastvanray

Obama's answer is no more or less starange than asking George Bush how old the universe is.  Just because someone has an opinion does not make that opinion correct or honest.  But I guess my question is why is this question relevent to a Presidential election?  I am not a US citizen but isn't this a question for clergy and the Supreme Court?  Such a focus on religious questions just makes the US look more like a religious state rather than the Republic the Founding Fathers created.

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Fairbanks

> isn't this a question for clergy and the Supreme Court? 

The original question on abortion was decided at he USSC, but the question of when human life begins is legislated in Congress, which is where the Pres candidate works his day job. 

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master_jim2008

Is it just me or is the odd thing about this story, how it's kind of written in a disjointed way?

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dunkelberg

Life apparently begins for John McCain when you go before an army of bikers and offer up your wife to the "Miss Buffalo Chip" topless "beauty pageant".

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BigT

So, let me get this straight. McCain gets knocked by you because his answer was, in your opinion, a "vote-getting ploy" that was probably driven by polls. Obama is applauded by you because there is no clear cut consensus when a poll is taken of theologians and scientists.

A leader is supposed to lead. He's suppose to take in information and come out with an opinion. It's not like the beginning of life is some new issue like net neutrality.

Furthermore, there is never consensus on anything. How will Senator Obama be able to navigate the murky waters of international politics? Some policy makers think Russia is trouble, some don't. Some think Iran can be reasoned with, some don't.

One last thing. Obama can make decisions when there isn't a total consensus. He just didn't want to answer this question directly because of his audience. It's called pandering.


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BigT

Eastvanray, if this decision should be left to the decision of clergy and the supreme court why don't we just cut out all the other stuff and just let the supreme court decide these issues since they are the only ones with legal authority (the clergy has none in the United States). Why not let the supreme court decide when a person becomes a person, whom you can marry, what you can smoke, where you can live, what you can own, what you can read or watch, and every other ethics based decision.

The original intent of having a supreme court was:

The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.

In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.

You would have to read this rather loosely to give the supreme court the power to say what is and what is not moral. In Roe v. Wade the supreme court basically declared that abortion was legal and that every state must allow it. Would you really want nine people deciding laws for your country?

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dunkelberg


One last thing. Obama can make decisions when there isn't a total consensus. He just didn't want to answer this question directly because of his audience. It's called pandering.

As opposed to John McCain taking a strong, solid view (at least that night), ane stating that he now is totally anti-abortion, when he used to be sort of anti-abortion - except when he was pro choice?

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BigT

Wildly hilarious and wildly off point.

But, hey, if that's the major "scandal" of the McCain campaign then I think he will do just fine.


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dunkelberg

It certainly reflects his "respect" toward women - no to mention his "family values". 

McCain's major problem is getting his lobbyist handlers to agree on what he believes in and when he believes it.

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BigT

McCain was never pro-choice (like Bill Clinton, Al Gore and other democrats were once pro-life). To get a little fairer view of McCain's view on this issue go HERE.

Basically, he is personally against abortion. He thinks that incest, rape, and when the health of the mother is on the line there should be an exception made. McCain has said that he doesn't think Roe v Wade should be overturned.

Dunkelberg, you're awesome. Only you could make McCain out to be the slick politician in this case. Only you.


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BigT

So Obama doesn't get money from any lobbyist or has hundreds of "advisers"? My God man! This is politics, tell me of a candidate who didn't have lobbyists on speed dial.

And, since we're talking about respect, I guess those unborn babies don't deserve any. Heck, they don't even deserve life, do they dunkelberg?


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BigT

I've got a question: How does supporting abortion give "respect" to women? This has to be one of the most seriously convoluted stances in history.

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BigT

One last thing, Obama's major problem is that he cannot always have a teleprompter telling him what to say.

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dunkelberg

So, you've noticed that problem with McCain's campaign too, eh?

[chuckle]


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dunkelberg

[chuckle]

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BigT

[chuckle]

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BigT

You haven't noticed that problem with Obama's campaign though?

[chuckle]


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at 14:44 on August 17th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.  Last time I check, and I was in Civil service, The President is the highest pay grade

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BigT

Maybe Obama is going to take on the job pro-bono.

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