Obama sets WH immigration reform meeting June 8, 2009 NO AMNESTY

Only Indians are real American..... We all , or our ancesters, were immigrants. He who is not happy can trace his way back to its origines. Yes to imigration reform. God will will preveal.

Employment ratio will increase and not decrease

Employment ratio will increase and not decrease if the immigration law change out of 12 million illegal immigrants 80% of them are illiterate and 10% of them are only school grades. These immigrants are not a BACHELOR / UNDERGRADUATE / MASTER’s degree holder with good qualification and work experience. These illegal immigrants are working in restaurant, grocery store, gas station, deli store, super market, construction / labor works. How can these people apply for a Bank Manager position, CEO for the company, sales manager position etc… 12 million illegal immigrants are here and it’s highly impossible to send all the illegal immigrants to their home country. But the best deal is all the illegal immigrants have to pay the fine and learn English language and pay the taxes.

Advantages for the country if the Immigration law changes

 All the 12 million illegal immigrants have to pay the fine for example $ 500 per head which is 12 million by $ 500 is a huge income for the country.
 Most of them are uneducated and illiterate so they need a help from an attorney for filing the papers. Here the attorney is benefited.
 They have to Pay taxes for example $ 10 per head per month which is 12 million by $ 10. And here the CPA is benefited.
 They have to learn English language so they will go to institute and pay the fees. Institute is benefited.
 12 million immigrants will apply for Social Security Number & Drivers license they will pay the SSN application fee, Drivers License fees and learn driving through the driving school.
 12 million immigrants will apply for state I.D and passport so they have to pay for the state I.D & Passport
 These people will buy a new phone under the contract the phone company is benefited
 12 million immigrants will be covered by health insurance so they have to pay insurance premium here the insurance company is benefited
 12 million immigrants will open a bank account and start depositing the cash here the banks is benefited.
 Out of 12 million immigrants 20% – 25 % will plan to buy an apartment so the realtors and brokers are benefited.
 Out of 12 million immigrants 25% – 30 % will plan to buy a car so the car company and the car dealers and the auto mobile’s dealers will be benefited.
 This country will be benefited and all the people will be benefited in all the directions.
 12 million immigrants plan to visit the home country so all the travel agents and airlines agencies is benefited.

Mr. Mashak your ancestor came from hungary and immigrated here in the 1885-1887

and about 70% work in farms and 30 in public svs.bremen Germany and england is part of your heritage too, they all came here as immigrants as well thats why most of them lived in the  easter northern part of the states they came in a boat , some inside barrels and wooden boxes and risking thier lifes so that you can call your self an american citezen and claim this flag , so i dont know why you are fuzzing, i too like the american heritage and if you look at our currency and all american symbols and slogans  they say things like united we stand,or "one  nation under god with liberty and JUSTICE for all" Let me remind u that our presidents background is also of Immigrant heritage as you can see and Did you know that the name AMERICA is actually european from an immigrant who came here in a sailing boat before columbus, and the part of witch people say immigrants are unlawfull is because they are not allowed the oppurtunity to do the things right, no not all man were born equal but when they ask me what race i am when filling up an application i put Human thats my race what is yours, and you said it your self that is our nature to compete to better our selves , just thank god u didnt had to be sneeked in to this land 50 years ago or you might be say something more human like, at the end what is it to us we are all going to die one day and the land will remain here immigrants or no immigrants , so just  enjoy all the chinese food you can eat ,the tacos and italian pasta, because no matter where you go you have to eat i can gurantee you that in the back of the store or restaurant there is a low paying worker , making your favorite dish and he does it with pride and you eat it with no complaints.
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Somehow willingness to do disgusting jobs, has become a qualification to comment on illegal regulation.  Though I dont agree, for the record I grew up working my fathers farms, I have milked cows, shoveled shit, bailed hay, fixed fence and done just about every other disgusting, hard, unglamorous job immaginable...

I will take my props now.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot

I am transferring this post that was underneath the one of the pictures to this main comment area for more discussion and to give it more exposure.  Cynical Patriot

TL Winslow (not verified)
at 05:59 on June 6th, 2009

Immigration reform including amnesty as now envisioned is a quick fix, not a permanent solution.

The age-old pesky U.S.-Mexico border problem has taxed the resources of both countries, led to long lists of injustices, and appears to be heading only for worse troubles in the future. Guess what? The border problem can never be solved. Why? Because the border IS the problem! It's time for a paradigm change.

Never fear, a satisfying, comprehensive solution is within reach: the Megamerge Dissolution Solution. Simply dissolve the border along with the failed Mexican government, and megamerge the two countries under U.S. law, with mass free 2-way migration eventually equalizing the development and opportunities permanently, with justice and without racism.

To read details, Scroogle.org "MegaMerge Dissolution Solution"

What a great , intelligent article with excellent informed comments and very minimal

ugliness.  This one is a HOME RUN! : )

I agree with Melisa!!! We need reform NOW and fast! Families are hurting all the while still working and paying taxes! We put up Amber Alerts for missing children yet we rip families apart.  We call ourselves "The Greatest Country" yet, We rip families apart!!! American citizens are forced to deport themselves to be with spouses. We are taking our own American Citizens rights away. Americans crying because of job being lost to Immigrants. Take a drive down any major road construction... Count how many white Americans it takes to hold up a shovel and count how many immigrants are actually working. This country needs hard workers..... and loving families! We need more culture! This country should be on top of this. Get with it people!

well i would just like to say, stealing ssn's or not, illegal immigrants are hard workers! Stealing ssn's but still taxes are deducted! And those jobs that they do, not alot of americans would take!! like the crops!! i only lasted 2 weeks!! but thats just me!!

yes there are some that shouldn't be here like the ones who have gotten their residents and living on assistance like some ex in laws of mine!! but there are some that work their butt's off and get underpaid!!

so i understand from both sides!! just give the ones who work hard a chance!!

when the court houses were raided in rhode island, those were all immigrants who were washing toilets at three in the morning, i don't think americans want to do that....hey i want to give a shout out to all my deportees

Melisa, you're 100% right. This country needs to start realizing who is doing the jobs and contributions needed to succeed. Anyone who oposes an Immigration Reform need to do their homework and not just open their mouth 'cause they think they own this country, YOU DON'T! What did the U.S. do with all the african-americans who worked their fields and built their cities, got sent back to die somewhere else. Same thing is happening now a days. Who knows who is getting sent back; a doctor, a nurse, a lawyer, etc.; someone who can contribute to make this country even better. Just put yourself in their shoes, what would you do to make your children's future better? What would you do?

I agree with Melissa, We need immigration reform ASAP. Employers are taking advantage of Americans with a broken legal immigration system.

*63% of Americans in a recent Pew poll show that Americans want the Undocumented to come out ot the Shadows and have a path to citizenship. Americans want a real solution to this problem and are Politicians need to pass Immigration Reform.

*Our Dentention system is out of control. Our ICE police think it is funny to detain fathers and mothers of US born citizens at the cost of Americans taxdollars. There are people locked up for 5 years or more because they missed an immigration appointment because they did not receive a letter that had been sent to the wrong address because of a paper mix up. ICE customs enforcement in conjunction with the INS seem to think it is OK to detain these people and put them in the same cells with convicted rapists and murderers. They take 100 dollars and up to detain immigrants from government contracts at our tax expense. Many of these prisons are private jails using government (contract) funds.

*Spouses of US born citizens should not have face a system that separates their familys. This is Un-American. The family structure and family values need to come before "rule of law" that takes away the rights of the citizens of this country.

*The US Constitution says all people have a right to the pursuit of happiness. There are some people that want to rewrite our founding fathers intentions. These people are destroying the Civil libertys of the United States of America. They seem to forget that the American Flag is a symbol that is a representation of the people who salute it. They think it is OK to rip the familys apart of these people.

*Americans are being exploited by a system with a broken immigration system in the workplace. We are forced to compete against slave labor. To keep immigrants undocumented will give these skanky employers access to a cheap slave underground society of workers that are afraid to speak up when labor laws are broken. These people must be legalized, given a path to citizenship and Unions must be allowed to form to keep put the skanky employers in line so that they will follow the laws.

*Human trafficking is growing as a crime in the US more and more everyday. We must fix the broken legal immigration system with reasonable quotas and laws and Secure our borders so that people will have to come in legally and not through the Borders trafficked by criminals.

We take in 2 million legal immigrants a year, more than any other country in the world. I am not against some amnesty for some here more than ten years, for example, but without secure borders and a secure process for hiring legals, the problem will continue.

Make me an offer of a secure border and use E-Verify, the 99+ percent accurate system of verification is contested by the Chamber of Commerce and the ethnocentric so-called "pro-immigration" groups, and some kind of amnesty for the most worthy will be the fruit.

This is the issue where the elites on the right, Wall Street, and the elites on the left, La Raza, ACLU, etc., agree, and that is why my own personal dope-smoking, Bush-hating friends are against illegal immigration.

The "anti-elites" and the "un-elites" agree on what to do.

This is where greed and the will to power do rule, in the elite's call to "immigration reform", a call to amnesty without securing the borders first.

2 million immigrants is already beyond the limit.

I think people who say "immigrants need to come to the U.S. the legal way" have NO CLUE what the "legal way" is and how inefficient it is. Try following it, and you will be confused and lost in a matter of days......  not to mention how expensive it is. Human beings, no matter where they are from, have the right to a better life.  And please remember history, this country is based on immigration, otherwise only Native Americans would live here.  YES TO IMMIGRATION REFORM!! 

And yet again, you fail to address the central theme - How will your proposed reform address the reality that there are limited resources facing unlimited human demand?

Respectfully,

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot

This conversation is too important for me not to contribute.  Immigration reform will happen, but when is the real question.  It has been tried before and words like amnesty, deportation and others have been thrown around yet nothing ever came out of it.  And HeyNow, I am dealing with the legal way. Just read my story below! I, personally am against amnesty.  Why, you may ask!?  This is why:

I came to this country almost 18 years ago, legally!  When I initially arrived, it was not my intention to stay beyond the one year but civil war in my country and a scholarship to attend a private college (I wrote private just to point out that I did not get federal aid) made me change my mind.  During all these 18 years I have maintained legal status, filed and paid taxes, have had health insurance and basically done things the right way!  The only thing I ever did wrong was to allow a parking meter to ran out and get a parking ticket (which I paid promptly). 

I applied for a permanent residency in 2007 through employment in a category where a lot of people have been approved and with a same or similar job description.  Well, it got denied because USCIS said my job was not permanent!  So, I get a "permanent job" and try again.  Now, it isn't soon enough because my visa will expire before paperwork will be submitted and there is a one year rule...blah, blah, blah!!!!! 

In the mean time, I meet the love of my life (who is a legal permanent resident, from a country different from mine), we get married, have a baby! He sponsors a petition on my behalf but because he is a resident and not a citizen, the application process takes anywhere from 2-6 years.  And when he called USCIS to see what can we do if the petition is not approved before my visa expires, we are told I will have to leave the country and wait for the visa number to become available.  But, when illegals get detained, they get released and are given a work permit so that they can stay with their families and also get their status sorted out. 

I not only work legally, I also volunteer in my community!  I can speak English and write it (although I do love the spell check), I have contributed in a lot of ways to this country and never took anything for granted!  So, why should someone who knowingly breaks the law get ahead of me? 

I apologize if this sounds like a mad woman's ranting, but that is exactly how I feel right now, frustrated and disappointed!

CynicalPatriot i'm tired of you using "lawful citizenship" as to differential yourself from illegal immigrants. Because your a lawful citizen doesn't mean your a better person than a illegal immigrant. And your refer yourself and anyone who supports amnesty as a "patriot," that pretty ironic since Patriots fought to uphold the American idea of Freedom, Liberty, and Just For ALL (yes ALL not just "lawful citizenship" but every decent human being).
"You would probably right to blame illegal immigrants for some of your troubles." No you don't have any right to blame illegal immigrants. It's the governments fault our immigration system is broken and many have to wait 5-7 years to come here legally. In 5-7 they could of already died from starvation or even be killed for political reasons. You have no idea what illegal immigrants endure in this country. While you work 40 hrs a week with health benefits and paid vacations at your 9-5 job. They're slaving working over 70+ hrs with no benefits doing backbreaking jobs. You don't know how good you have it until you experience their lifestyle. You taking all the freedom in america for granit.

"So, why should someone who knowingly breaks the law get ahead of me? 

I apologize if this sounds like a mad woman's ranting, but that is exactly how I feel right now, frustrated and disappointed!"

Why should someone who knowingly break the law get ahead of me? That funny how you said that. Stop blaming others for your problems. You didn't have to make a life or death situation. It sounded like your life went pretty well, way better than the life of a illegal immigrant. I agree with you they knew they were breaking the law but they didn't have any choice. It was either break this stupid law or their children would starve to death. Suck it up and move on you still have your family and your well being your not going to get anywhere by blaming others.