Obama: Take Down Fusion Center Gestapo, Fire Secret Service Boss

by Scrivener | April 25, 2010 at 06:09 am
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• Extrajudicial shadow government run out of America's 70-some multi-agency "fusion centers" decimates democracy, constitutional rights, personal liberty.


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Rogues and scoundrels appear to be running a multi-agency Homeland Security- administered fusion center cabal, in partnership with corporate and municipal officials across America.  These agencies, commands and corporations have constructed an extrajudicial, unconstitutional and morally bankrupt shadow government, run out of the nation's 70-some fusion centers, that pulls the power strings in this nation in a breathtakingly arrogant grassroots bypass of the civilian chain of command, the judicial system, and Congress.


http://nowpublic.com/world/gestapo-usa-govt-funded-vigilante-network-terrorizes-america

While many powerful agencies and commands are represented at this rogues' round table, from the Pentagon's intel and armed services branches (including the NSA and DIA) to the CIA and the National Security Branch of the FBI,  one agency presides over the throne room:  the agency that controls the "bubble," and, it could be argued, the physical and psychological environment of the man who allegedly sits in the big chair, the President of the United States.  That agency is the U.S. Secret Service.

Does the President realize the extent to which the rule of law in America has been eroded -- subverted?  A rogue bureaucracy's barely concealed disdain and disrespect for the chain of command?  The diminution of cabinet secretaries, who have been reduced to playing cameo roles in a political kabuki theater?

Is President Obama capable of entertaining the notion that silent, insidious microwave and radio frequency weapon systems could be altering his perceptions -- even his consciousness -- perhaps adversely affecting his health, his cognition?


http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves


Someone, some American hero, must talk a walk in the woods with Barack Obama, with his Blackberry battery removed and his person, his clothing and his courtesans swept for bugs.   Someone, some American hero, must tell Barack Obama that all those cell towers aren't just for phone calls, and that the weapon system camouflaged in those towers is not just used against "terrorists" and bad actors, but was devised and is being used as a tool of political and social subjugation, operated by amoral, cold-hearted bureaucrats who are driven not by the will of the people, but by an authoritarian, antidemocratic ideology of intolerance, exclusion, censorship, Gestapo-like community harassment, and hate.


http://nowpublic.com/world/u-s-govt-censors-net-political-speech-targeted-americans


Someone, some American hero, has to tell Barack Obama that the hard-core element among the Bush leave-behinds he has inexplicably left at the levers of power will NEVER accept his direction; will NEVER respect the chain of command; will NEVER submit to his authority as the democratically elected leader of the nation.

Someone, some American hero, MUST tell Barack Obama that this evil cabal will NOT stand down, will NOT cease and desist, but must be removed from power and brought to justice.

Someone, some American hero, must tell Barack Obama that he MUST restore the rule of law and due process under the law by dismantling the multi-agency fusion center Gestapo.

Someone, some American hero, must tell Barack Obama that he must FIRE the director of the U.S. Secret Service and reform that agency from top to bottom -- or perhaps even abolish it completely, and absorb its duties (many of which appear to be duplicative) into agencies such as the FBI and Treasury, the cabinet department where agents that police the currency traditionally have resided, and to which they should be returned.

If Barack Obama persists in deferring authority to the multi-agency cabal;  if he persists in his refusal to make a rogue bureaucracy accountable to his leadership and to the chain of command, he will be assisting in the demise of his presidency and in his neutralization as the chief executive of the United States of America.

If Barack Obama thinks he can lead this nation by appeasing a rogue bureaucracy, he and the people of America could be in for some very ugly times in the very near future at the hands of this extrajudicial, and evil, shadow government.


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Scrivener

Are you inferring that "Project Geneva" is just another psy op?

Well, here's the deal:  When the heat comes down from on high, black hats often turn white.

So yes, I will take their help, even if it helps them, too.

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TargetedinSanDiego

Blah, blah, details, blah, blah I'm so wholesome / victimized / credible.

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scrawler

- and now would you like Project Geneva to help you?

Hey Project Geneva, why don't you expose the issue of "two Gang Stalkers in every business parking lot", as well as even more inside every business?

And how about exposing all those joint task members of "operation weed and seed" and the like destroying the careers of innocent targets by spreading "hateful, contemptuous and nasty" rumors about them to employers and potential employers?

Delusional? I think not!

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Scrivener

Don't tell me.  Tell naive (or corrupted?) civilian law enforcement officials who tell me to write a movie script because I'm such a "creative writer."  Bucks County D.A.'s office, yes, I am talking about some of you...  are you going to wait until someone ends up dead in a ditch?  Or with their brains re-fried?


Civil rights Division, DOJ:  Prove that you are not asleep at the switch.  Flip some officials and some cops and some vigilantes in Bucks County, PA, home of the MAGLOCLEN Mid-Atlantic states fusion center, and show that the Obama administration is capable of bringing to account a ROGUE BUREAUCRACY that has CORRUPTED law enforcement nationwide.

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scrawler

All right; you want a movie script, I'll give you a movie script all right.

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Scrivener

Your terroristic threat delivered by telecommunications has been noted.

I am requesting that the good people on the inside harvest your IP address and put you on the dirty actor domestic terrorist watch list... and take you down hard before you can do any further damage to anyone out there.

Have a nice day and try harder to act human.  The good people on the inside are watching.

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rumpleforeskin

Is that a thinly veiled threat?

Like the one where you say "are you going to wait until someone ends up dead in a ditch? Or with their brains re-fried?".

And this one where you say "try harder to act human", as opposed to what?

What, are you going to arrest him for anti-social commenting? Oh, yeah kick him off the bus - get down, stay down. We're going to wrap this all up with some do-goody stuff.

You black ops guys are all the same...everybody's a "critic". If you don't like his movie then don't watch it, okay? Problem solved.

Oh yeah, I hear Hitler's old job is up for grabs - Go for it.

Have a nice day - Seig Heil to you too.

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badexperiment

That video ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4VTL8xrPWY ) and the follow up story is extremely interesting. This woman convicted of stalking may have gone far beyond what she was told to do and was considered a danger to the overall program by her covert backers as a result. Who knows, the judge sentencing her may also have been protecting the program as well by rooting her out of it. Her well publicized punishment may have been a warning to other low level soldiers to stay in line and do only what you are told. Yet, I think that we are seeing the true Achilles heel of these pogroms--the people being used at the lowest level tend to be unstable and at times unpredictable. When you poison someone's mind with cruelty, hatred and deceit, you can't always control the result. I think the news media may have more interesting stories to give on this topic.

When I used to play street basketball, we had an expression: "self-check." Basically it meant that you did not have to play tight defense against an opponent because he was likely to commit errors that would cause his own team to lose anyway. The sort of player that dribbled the ball out-of-bounds, shot the ball over the backboard or got confused and passed the ball by mistake to a player on the opposing team. What I see on the street reminds of my days when I played street hoops. The best defense is to simply leave them alone . . . self-check . .

I speak to many of these folks. I start conversations quite easily. I must say that I have a great deal of sympathy for many of them. Most at the lowest level simply know nothing better. The vocabulary of violence is all they have known and it colors their entire world. It exerts control over them, instills fear in them, and narrows their view of the world and their fellow man. Above all, it has robbed them of respect for life and basic human rights.

I remember how Pediatrician Dr. Benjamin Spock gave parents permissive parenting advice that led to a generation of spoiled brats. He later admitted that his advice was mistaken. What results will a generation taught to believe in covert psychological warfare and the abuse of human rights in their own communities lead to?

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Anonymously Given

Concerning the convicted felon/gang-stalker: I noticed that she didn't reveal who her controllers were and gave no reason for why she harassed the woman (likely because the real reason was just that she was following the orders of the controllers who set her up, right?).   She's obviously much more fearful of the people who enlisted her to stalk people than the ten months she will spend in the joint.

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Scrivener

Some highly intelligent people in my neighborhood, who outwardly look like good family types, are among those who aid and abet community-based domestic terrorism and teach their kids to be bullies and social miscreants.  Yeah, there are low-lifes who do stalking runs. So do rock-ribbed pedigreed hate-mongers and their Hitler Youth kids.  I haven't decided which group is worse.  It's pretty much of a tie.

As for leaving them to self-destruct, I say, bullcrap.  Passivity merely breeds more persecution.  I won't use their tactics, but I will disarm them using more sophisticated methods.

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Scrivener

MICROWAVE ATTACK AND COMMUNITY-BASED DOMESTIC TERRORISM ("PSY OPS") REPORT -- Wed.-Thurs., May 19-20, 2010

THEY WILL NOT STAND DOWN.  THEY WILL NOT CEASE AND DESIST.  THEIR MICROWAVE TORTURE -- THEIR CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY -- CONTINUES UNABATED, UNCHECKED.

For most of the day yesterday, and much of this morning, I have been laid low, weakened, suffering from induced fatigue, severe ringing in the ears, and head-in-a-vise pain --- symptoms I believe result from near-continuous irradiation with various microwave radio frequencies.  Last night, while sitting in my kitchen, my right ear began to burn and itch, and I suffered from intense ringing in the right ear, and diminished hearing.  High tones were virtually inaudible.   When I looked in a mirror, I saw that the right ear had turned beet-red, while my left ear remained its normal flesh color.  These are clear symptoms of directed energy microwave irradiation.

Yesterday, at about 10 a.m., all power to my house was cut off.  This occurred just after I had posted a comment to a political blog which contained a link to my article exposing the government's cell tower- based microwave/laser radio frequency weapon and its usage against American citizens.  I called the utility company to report the outage.  An hour or so later, I called again to check on the status of the outage.  This time, I got a tape recorded message which referred to "tree trimming" in my neighborhood. I neither saw nor heard any tree trimming at that time.

Power was restored around noontime.  Later that afternoon, about 4 p.m., I was driving down the street and I noticed a tree company's truck parked about two doors down, with a utility company truck parked nearby.  A crew of about five men was sitting on the grass.  No work was in progress.

Then, shortly after 7 p.m., as daylight began to fade, the power suddenly went out again.  I looked out the window and saw some men standing around some trees in the backyard.  I thought it was odd that this crew did not commence their work earlier.  This apparent utility company "kabuki theater" has happened to me before -- sudden power outages that seem to affect only my home and perhaps a handful of other houses, followed by a rapid dispatch of a utility crew.  I called in the outage, but added, after the recorded instructions, "This looks like more community-based harassment, because it's nearly dark and (the utility company) doesn't usually do this kind of work after hours unless it's a real emergency."

I went outside, approached one of the men and said, "Is this how (the utility company) is saving money for its customers -- by doing tree work after hours, on overtime?"  The man said something about downed limbs as a result of a recent storm.  I said to him, "Look, (the utility company) doesn't do routine tree work after hours, cutting off people's power in the evening.  This looks like community-based harassment.  Our police chief knows all about it.  And since you're just following orders, I will give you fifteen minutes before I call him."

Suddenly, another man, wearing a utility company helmet, emerged from the brush and ordered the crew, "Let's go."  The men marched quickly to their vehicles.  As they did, I shouted to the guy in the utility helmet, "And turn my G-D power back on!"

Moments later, I re-entered my house.  The power already was back on.

I make this report to Project Geneva without further comment.

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batvette

1. When I looked in a mirror, I saw that the right ear had turned beet-red, while my left ear remained its normal flesh color.  These are clear symptoms of directed energy microwave irradiation.

Can you reference a clinical study by the air force (who developed the ADS, I believe)  supporting that claim? Aren't you really once again making **** up as you go along with no factual basis to support it?

2.  The man said something about downed limbs as a result of a recent storm.  I said to him, "Look, (the utility company) doesn't do routine tree work after hours, cutting off people's power in the evening. 

if there was a recent storm then that wasn't routine work. Utility workers and their private contractors often work into the evenings, there is nothing weird going on there at all.  

3. Our police chief knows all about it.  And since you're just following orders, I will give you fifteen minutes before I call him.

Ahm once again Vic spreads so much BS he can't keep track of it all. I recall you mentioned not long ago that for almost two years you haven't been able to get through the underlings at the station to talk to the police chief.

Now you're implying you have a hotline with him? That he jumps at your beck  and call, and you used this to threaten utility workers simply doing their jobs? What an idiot.

Of course we can expect to hear at some future time, "utility workers in my neighborhood were snickering at me and making inappropriate comments toward me- proof of more MAGLOCEN cold hearted torture!"

4. Vic, Project Geneva does not exist. Period. Why do you keep referring to this as some secret program at the highest levels of government that you report to? Are these delusions of grandeur you constantly display accidental or intentional? If we ever get our problem heard in a court of law, they will bring in a first year psych student from a small town junior college as an expert witness and just one page of your comments here will see the case dismissed. Are you too stupid or crazy to realize this, or is this your mission?


 

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Scrivener

Like the lame disinfo agent that he is, "batvette" recites falsehoods as truth.  I was unable to get in touch with my police chief for two years -- until April of 2009, when I showed up at his office.  The chief graciously gave me about a half hour of his time in what I believe was a productive meeting.

I never said anything about "underlings" preventing my phone calls from getting through to the chief.  My supposition is that fusion center operatives, or federal agents, diverted my calls.  

It appears that such elements are STILL diverting my phone calls and my emails, including, perhaps, a lengthy email I sent to the chief a couple of months ago.  I also sent that email to a deputy attorney general of the state of Delaware, who informed me that he did not receive it.  I also cc'ed a deputy district attorney of Bucks County, and it's likely that he, too, never received my email.  

This is why I've had to show up in person anytime I want to get a message through to a public official.  My telecommunications continue to be surveilled and intercepted, it appears... and I have strong reason to believe that both audio and video surveillance devices have been secreted within my living spaces, judging from the fact that references to private conversations are repeated in comments to this blog, and sometimes, are reflected in comments by random "strangers" who apparently are among my government-enabled community goon squad stalkers.

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Anonymously Given

Or - on the other hand, did she try to reveal her manipulators but found - much to her chagrin - that their tenuous and multi-layered management personalities of her controllers all tied back to no identifiable person?  A lesson they all learn when the rotten little plans run too far amuck?

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badexperiment

That women convicted of stalking may well now be a victim of the covert system she once supported. Life becomes very cheap to these people. I was on a bus commuting to work one day, and one of the gang stalkers, an older male, was hit by a car running across the street to get in place for a bit of "street theater." Some of the other gang stalkers got on the bus and started joking amongst themselves about their fallen comrade. "One thing for sure," joked one young woman, "he never let go of his cellphone." Like paid mercenaries, they have a "just as long as it is not me." attitude.

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roselime not signed in

My stalkers (yes, some I have seen randomly in 3 different places in town and this is a big city) seem to be nice people for the most part.  Some at the beginning had that "snitch" look and some were more intimidating... but right now they appear pretty normal.  One struck up conversation with me recently but I don't trust any of them regardless of how nice they are.  This system never did me any "favors" so to speak..... I would guess that there are all kinds of stalkers - from those that have been coerced into the service to the more sadistic types (like my internet bullies/posters) to those who believe they are performing some sort of civic duty - based on either lies or misconstructions about us or maybe stuff that is secret from them or the thrill of thinking that they are part of something important.... I bet some of the people involved in my storyline have moments of feeling guilt because they know me to be a fairly decent person overall, but maybe they don't, who knows (just following orders ma'am)......The problem with all of this is that not only are we expendable, but they are too.  The real people behind this are not going to get caught that easily and probably don't care if they lose a foot soldier - especially if it is one of the more sadistic types..... We might be the "targets" but this system is a problem for everyone who lives in society.  The fact that people are willing to goad, harass, frame, harass, intimidate, slander, socially engineer, gather information from, illegally surveil then give nasty feedback from that surveillance, dissect, analyze, create psy ops system for, experiment on, torture, threaten, or otherwise destroy (did I miss anything?) what I assume are fairly nice people (most targets) and their families (and if we are innocent, our kids are far more innocent) is a problem for everyone.... why don't they spend their time running after real violent criminals? real terrorists? ehhh.... I guess we peaceful resistance types are more frightening somehow.... by the way my IPV6 traceroute here at the public library shows whose server I'm going through - assuming that page isn't spoofed : )

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Scrivener

Roz Mazer, alert the DNI:

He's OUTTAHERE.

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Rosemary Cancellieri

Around mid-point when I was still mostly functional, I had gone to an attorney's office in Stamford, Connecticut.  I found his info on line.  I did not call.  I was testing the stalking situation.  I arrived there, unannounced.  Outside, directly across from the office building, were two men in orange police vests at a utility "thing" (big hole in the ground).  Up the street was another police office in a regular uniform.  Inside I asked the receptionist if I could meet with the attorney.  She made a call and said yes.  This was followed by another woman who came from the rear of the building.  I believe her name was Donna.  She asked me to wait in a conference room off the lobby.  When Donna (?)  returned I was advised that the attorney could no longer see me.  I had an envelope with me (with my top secret time line).  She asked if I would like to give this to the attorney.  I mentioned the DOJ and she said "yes, that's right".  This response did not make sense within the context of the whole.  I declined the offer to give it to her.  I wasn't sure which statement was correct.  Was she DOJ or was she going to give it to the attorney.  No identification was presented. 

 

In my situation, the situation of three or more police being around was becoming common place.  It was also not exactly "normal".  I was in observation mode.  Before leaving I went to the receptionist's desk, I wanted to use the lady's room.  Donna and the receptionist appeared to be engaged in conversation.  Donna actually stated to the receptionist that she should not look at me.  I ignored her, asked the receptionist for the lady's room and was given a key.

Outside, this was often repeated after this initial situation, were an Asian/White couple walking toward my direction.  I was asked by one of the "men in orange police vests" if everything went okay.  I nodded and returned to my car.  In front of me was a white van (also often repeated) and from one of the parking garages came one or two women with strollers.  Quilt and shame are techniques used in psychological harassment and manipulation.  These techniques are combined with all the other strategies to disable the target and in my case hinder prosecution aka obstruction of justice.  Women with strollers are also indicated as perps?

As previously posted, I've had many diverted phone calls.  I also started to send my communications by Certified Mail.  It is interesting to note that in one situation I was told by a postal clerk that I COULD NOT send a letter without RRR.  This is not correct and I had actually discussed this with an X-friend who is an attorney.  After this situation and combined with other abnormal situations, I made a badge and started tape recording many of these types of encounters.  This particular letter was addressed to a neighbor who I believe was an anchor.  This letter was not accepted/received by the neighbor.  In retrospect and in conjunction with the whole, it is clear that this was to eliminate the accumulation of "hard" evidence.  There was also a focus on my "taking pictures" early on.  I did not stop this activity, in spite of pressure in this direction.

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TargetedinSanDiego

Here's something interesting:  I aggressively "outed" batvette, aka John in San Diego, a couple of days ago on the Google Groups FFCHS Daily Harassment forum, and he seems to have disappeared from both this forum, and that one also.  I haven't check his million other "assignment forums."  I outed another Perpetrator on another forum a long time ago, and she also disappeared for a couple of days.  Her name is Barbara Bassett from Sacramento, aka "zabadu," and, like so many other of these government-sponsored bloggers, she is on like HUNDREDS of forums.  She was a serious freak, and identical in almost every way to every other Perpetrator out there.  The rage, the aggression, the name-calling, the profanity.  Sitting on their mediocre asses all day, cyber mobbing innocent, intelligent, creative people with a high moral code.  Internet Perps love to use their real names, to create the illusion they are transparent and honest, but they are the only ones who do that, and that should be a DEAD GIVEAWAY to any real TI.  Real people, who may be targeted or just cautious, DO NOT use their real names, to PROTECT themselves.  Perpetrators have nothing to lose since the government is protecting them, at least that's what THEY think.  SUCKAS!!

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Scrivener

Gee, I thought I outed you on the FFCHS board this morning.

As for not using a real name for fear of being targeted, you make no sense.  If someone's already targeted and their name is plastered all over stalker-land, what's to "fear?"

Your lack of tradecraft is noted.  I'd notify the DNI, but I understand that post is vacant right now.  Maybe all the lame psy ops helped get him canned...

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Anonymously GIven

"As for not using a real name for fear of being targeted, you make no sense".  Cmon .... you're being disingenuous Vic.  A real target is known, naturally, to all of the close-by node carrying program members.  That is a different context than one where a traceable  comment is made and may be attributed to a particular target - whose own comment may then be used (easily) in a vilification regimen such as an "involuntary psyche internment due to the publicly made comment".   Program members may know the origin of any comment made by a target - but their surreptituous methods prevent a convenient use of that knowledge.

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batvette

Oh yeah you outed me alright.

Here's the thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/ffchs-daily-harassment-log/browse_thread/thread/4c4c3d4f93d7ba10/d244bf76f6accba7

My reply is number 6, at 11:29 on May 21. I destroyed you so thoroughly you refused to answer, saying only "NOT READING YOUR POSTS ANY MORE. NO TIME".

This is the best gem from stupid ho:

He is the wrong age and sex to be a TI.

The nerve of this one now running around saying she "outed me". What a dummy.

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TI

Vic, I'll tell you what's to fear by writing one's name . . .  More of the same from a wider circle of anonymous vigilantes (although, frankly, most of these low lifes probably don't bother to read the Internet, they're too busy snarling and snipping at victims of the US Gulag). I don't use my name, although I'm sure the computer-perps have my computer and emails completely in their control -- in "catch and release" mode.  TargetedinSanDiego sounds real to me. Once recently someone, probably Batvette, wrote something under Targeted's name, but it didn't sound like Targeted, so I think someone "sandbagged" Targeted with spurious observations.

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batvette

Actually I did that to each of you, precisely once, for the reason of demonstrating the absurdity of you trying to impeach my credibility from the safety of a anonymous identity anyone could assume.  I could post something as batvette then play my own sock puppet with a half dozen yes man identities- who's to say your posts aren't Vic doing the same? By registering we know you're not, maybe you're just using the same lingo he does.

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Anonymously GIven

Re: "Catch and release mode"  -- one of my comments on Now Public took twenty minutes to appear.  I sat at the keyboard and refreshed the browser every few minutes to ascertain this as a true statement.  I doubt that NP's servers are that slow, and Vic wouldn't have the power to slow comments - unless he's really the insider according to Batvette claims ....

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Scrivener

I have no control over these pages.  It appears that the MAGLOCLEN fusion center and/or its "information systems" contractors have total control, since the preponderance of evidence indicates that I am looking at a "spoofed" NowPublic.com that allows "catch and release," "man in the middle attacks," or whatever you spooks are calling it.

As for using my real name, I've "hung out a shingle" my entire career.  That's one of the risks of being a byliner.  But the garden variety stalker would have no real motive to go out of his way to abuse me... this system gives them enough "T.I.s" in their own neighborhood to torment and hate on.

And it is just possible that any "notoriety" I have earned helps protect me, because the good people on the inside are gaining much knowledge through observation about the workings of the bad people on the inside, the bad actors in other agencies, commands, corporations or even municipalities...

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PAC-MAN

On this PAC-MAN 30th Anniversary Day, I thought it would be appropriate to provide TI's with a power pellet. This power pellet ultimately reveals the black-ops in progress by Scrivener and his ghost monsters in this pac-maze of disinfo.

In a typical Scrivener post dated 13:46 on May 20th, 2010, Scrivener verbally assaults an anonymous poster and closes with the following remark:

"Have a nice day and try harder to act human. The good people on the inside are watching." *

Indeed this power pellet finally reveals that Scrivener and company are working closely with an extra-judicial team of Blinkys, Pinkys, Inkys and Clydes who watch, intimidate, persecute and illegally punish each and every TI.

Today's PAC-MAN 30th Anniversary TI power pellet causes the Scrivener ghost monsters to turn deep blue, reverse direction, and move more slowly in their black-ops efforts.

Bonus life points awarded to each TI.

Game Over.

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Scrivener

VERY clever use of the "turn it around and blame the victim" psy op meme -- at least the Pac-Man allusion.  

Not the actual psy ops -- since it's too transparent to be effective.

Judging from the quality of psy ops I've seen since I first became aware I was being extrajudicially targeted back in 2004, it's no compliment to lump me with the insiders.  Wonder whether all this lame psy ops help torpedo "Admiral Denny."

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TI

Vic is an American hero who has exposed the US Torture Matrix, which is the Shadow Government's electronic virtual prison and microwave-execution chamber for hundreds of thousands of innocent victims.  America today resembles Germany in the 1930s...with the rise of brownshirt goon squads and the evasion of rule-by-law.  Nowadays, they change the laws to accommodate their criminal actions. The Patriot Act may have made this police and community based stalking (under Federal command) legal but it remains immoral and unAmerican.

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Anonymously Given

Doubt if it's truly legal under reasonable scrutiny for constitution busting and color-of-constitution violations - but there seems to be no interest in protecting individual liberty anymore, and that's what the constitution is all about ...

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