Obama will send tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan?

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Since the end of August there has been much speculation on President Obama's decision on the new Afghanistan Strategy.  The President has been accused of dithering.

General McChrystal has publicly stated that up to 40,000 additional troops were required in Afghanistan if the mission is to be successful.  General McChrystal has stated that a strategy that would not leave Afghanistan in a stable position would be shortsighted.

Recently General Casey, Army Chief of Staff, made statements to support General McChrystal's recommendation.  He is also supported by the remainder of the Joint Chiefs.

US press reports on Sunday claim that President Obama has reached a decision which would augment troops in Afghanistan.  The New York Times, on its website, claims that Obama has reached the decision to send between 20,000 and 40,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.

Due to the tribal nature of Afghanistan, particularly in the Southern provinces of Hellmand and Kandahar, the Afghan Government under President Karzai has been unable to expand its influence much beyond Kabul.

In recent months the Taliban have been successful with their hit and run tactics with car bombs and Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs). 

The reports indicate that the troops would be from the 101st Airborne Division, located in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the 10th Mountain Division, located in Fort Drum, NY and a Marine Brigade.

It is anticipated that the additional troops would permit training of Afghan Security Forces, Afghan National Army and the Afghan Police.  The surge would also permit NATO Forces to extend their reach into urban centres in Afghanistan and provide security for the local population.

The White House has denied these reports. General Jim Jones stated late last night that these reports were absolutely false.  He said that President Obama has not yet reviewed the final options.

President Obama is attending a Memorial Service in Fort Hood today and, according to CBC News Net, is expected to announce his decision on his return to Washington.  This is at odds with earlier reports, which expected a decision after the President's Asia trip.

National Security Adviser, General Jim Jones, was interviewed by Der Spiegel on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall.  He was posed some interesting question.  Here is a link to the interview.

According to US press reports Sunday, President Barack Obama has decided to send tens of thousands of additional US troops to Afghanistan in an attempt to suppress growing popular resistance to foreign occupation.

The New York Times reported Sunday on its web site that the White House had narrowed its options in Afghanistan to three—all involving troop increases of 20,000, 30,000 and 40,000 respectively. The plans for escalating the war have come in response to the urgent request by General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander in Afghanistan.

Citing “administration and military officials,” McClatchy Newspapers reported Saturday night that Obama has already settled on 34,000 troops, but was waiting to announce it until after briefing the other governments participating in the NATO occupation and completing a trip to Asia, now set for November 11-19.

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Rhonda J Mangus

I think he's (Obama) making a huge mistake. Thanks for posting!




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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Rhonda, I hope you're wrong and that this doesn't turn into another Vietnam or worse.  This whole region scares the heck out of me.


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Rory Cripps

ACP:

"The reports indicate that the troops would be from the 101st Airborne Division, located in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, the 10th Mountain Division, located in Fort Drum, NY and a Marine Brigade."

Serious stuff! I wish them luck . . . .


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Uwe Paschen

I agree with you Rhonda. More military wound help. Afghanistan need to reintegrate the Patchun and Taliban into society and government.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Paschen, not only will more military not help, the reasons for sending military are questionable. Follow the link I provided to ACP. Let us know what you think!




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Uwe Paschen

The former USSR went to war in Afghanistan for the same reason, access to the sea and transporting energy was only possible through Afghanistan.

They failed. We fail now. No one ever bothered trying to get Afghans to be partners and run the show them self. The former USSR tried to control it all, including the country it self and so do we now.

Afghanistan has to be free and sovereign. Even if that means we wont get gas for for our self or India. 

I am certain that if we reintegrate the Taliban and Pachtun into society and government and offer them a business proposal from wish they can profit, then they would be most co-operating as well.

 

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djermano

Why do you ask these questions? You know he is going to send more troops, and then escalate into Pakistan. He is the War President after Bush... A liar, snake in the grass, lover of the US Kilitary Machine... Not doubt his decision will be the end of Obama in the next election.. .. that is if Bush doesn't help him steal that one too..

The Rev.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Rev you definitely have a way with words.  To be honest, this whole region  scares the hell out of me.  Thanks for commenting.

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Rory Cripps

Rev: Atta boy! Tell it brother! Tell it! My opinion is that Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! BHO should either pull the troops the hell out of there or send in about 100,000 more with orders to call in air strikes on any building or dwelling  where enemy fire is coming from. HA!

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Rhonda J Mangus

A pipeline through a troubled land -- interesting read:)!



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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

An interesting read Rhonda, thank you for this.  It makes one wonder, why this has not been addressed by the MSM.  I'm going to do some research. 

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Rhonda J Mangus

You are very welcome! I was hoping you would:)! Thanks!


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djermano

Mangus your link did not work for me...but here is a pdf to it...

http://www.policyalternatives.ca/documents/National_Office_Pubs/2008/A_Pipeline_Through_a_Troubled_Land.pdf

The lie in the report is where they talk about the two consortiums that were in competition in getting the contract to build the pipeline. One was Unocal an American firm and the other they say is Bridas an Argentinean firm. Certainly more than these two companies were in the bidding process...so you know this information is a lie to say the least. In fact the government at the time was the Taliban and they were in close cooperation with the BinLadin Construction Company one of the biggest Oil Construction companies in the World owned by The BinLadin Family..located in Saudi Arabia.  The US did not want Saudi Arabia getting control of the contract.. But the trouble was that the Taliban helped Osama in ousting the Russians...and everyone knew Unocal and whoever were not going to get the contract...No matter how buddy buddy the US thought it was with Osama when he was on the CIA payroll.  Osama knew the US was a super-power and they had already taken control of Saudi Arabia..since of course Saudi Arabia had no real defenses toward stopping the US in taking their oil.. It's been kind of a gentlemens agreement with them...in which Saudi Arabia could not stop the US even if it wanted too...So they went along with the US...blackballing Osama for telling the truth about the relationship and that he wanted the US out of Saudi Arabia.. That did not occur....so the US concoted the plan to make Osama the guy responsible for 911, when he didn't do it... bombed Afghanistan, enough to make it look like they had defeated the Taliban to then leave Afghanistan to take out Saddam.. The reason they took Iraq...is because they were developing significant strength to protect Arab Oil from Super-Power USA.. Actually the US is no Superpower without Oil.

The Middle East has had Israel as the dominant controlling wedge in preventing the Arabs in having control of their own lands, and resources.. This is why the US invaded Iraq, and now the biggest threat is Iran...Although Iran is Persian and not Arab..they fear the two will join in an Arab Block of Countries sort of like how the EU developed...and control their own resources. Clearly we know that the world market on Oil is a complete fabrication...and heist. ..to not only the clawless Saudi State..but to the American people who are subjected to the lies of their being controlled by the Bush Police State... Iran is right on the Caspian Sea where the Oil originates from and many scholars believe the Caspian Resources and that Oil they are attempting to steal really belongs to Iran... As you know the crisis said by the USA in making Iran appear as an evil State..has realized the escalation of nuclear development as a means to ward off US imperial objectives.. . The Iraq Iran war was leveraged simply because of the Caspian Reserves.. If the US could destroy both Iraq and Iran, it would have been smooth sailing for them...But Saddam established peace between Iran...and this upset the US plans...

They fear Pakistan will help Iran further its nuclear development, and so the US is doing a tap dance routine between India and Pakistan..while carrying on with their lie about terrorism created by them on 911 in the first place. Israel is caught in between US shenanagins...and do everything they can to try and please incumbant Presidents to maintain the money supply the US gives them in keeping their nuclear arsenal up dated. The fear is if they attack Iran..it means a major setback to the Caspian Reserve siphoning....especially if a nuclear exchange or these so called nuke bunker busters are used and occurs.

Obama is following the Generals advice by increasing troops on the ground and escalating tensions and murder in the region.. They keep giving stuff to Pakistan such as fighter Jets to locate their nuclear arsenals...because some day they will launch a joint attack...and strike Pakistan and Iran all on the same day...and then the tensions rise with China...and Russia..who I guarantee are not going to just idly stand by and watch the US take control of Eurasia. BankiMoon the President of the UN is as much a trouble maker than a maker of peace and negotiation. He is from S. Korea and no wonder N. Korea has stalled talks about its nuclear program...They see Moon as a polarizing figure and think China is a push over when they absolutely say nothing about the US invading Afghanistan when Afghanistan borders China.. Just what the hell Hu Jin Tao and his PLA Generals are thinking; are 3 sheets to the wind I think.. Maybe they want War really to reduce the size of China'a population.. Who knows...I mean a Harmonious Society can't remain Harmonious when the enemy is marching up the path to your back door...does it?

The Rev.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Actually Rhonda's link worked for me and it talks about Canadian troops guarding a natural gas pipeline   Here is an extract from it:

(OTTAWA) – A new report released today by the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) raises serious questions about the impact of a proposed trans-Afghanistan natural gas pipeline on the role of Canadian Forces in that war-torn country.

A Pipeline Through a Troubled Land: Afghanistan, Canada and the New Great Energy Game documents the proposed Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) pipeline, which will transport natural gas 1,680 kilometres from southeast Turkmenistan through southern Afghanistan, to Pakistan and India.

The report, written by international energy economist and former lead economist of PetroCanada John Foster, describes the U.S.-backed pipeline as turning Afghanistan into “an energy bridge” between Central and South Asia.

“The U.S. is our ally and it clearly asserts the geopolitical importance of the region. But the quest for ‘energy security’ risks drawing Canada unwittingly into a new Great Energy Game,” said Foster.

A Gas Pipeline Framework Agreement, signed by representatives of the four nations on April 25, 2008, commits the four nations to initiating construction of the $7.6 billion gas pipeline in 2010, supplying gas by 2015.



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nilishai

yeah, but he won a Peace Prize...I am still wondering what for?

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Thanks for commenting nilishai.

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t k kidwai

Obama in all likelyhood would continue to make the mistakes his precedor made.If military generals are living in fool's paradise ,no one can flush them out.

Deployment of Forty thousand or even Four hundred thousand troops can not bring victory to US imperialists in 5th.Afghan war.If victory means total annihilation and destruction and devastation,results desired by US military-industrial complex may be acheived at an enormous cost to already dwindling prestige of US empire.

"We learn from history that men have never learnt from history",Aldous Huxley.US imperialists are no exception.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

thank you for commenting kidwai. 

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MBenson82

I'd like to point out (and you military and ex-military folk out there should already be aware of this) that if 40,000 troops are being sent to Afghanistan, those are the COMBAT troops. (ie, marines and soldiers with rifles, air force pilots, etc) Those do not include the "non-combantants" we send in support capacity (maintainers, personnel, finance, etc).  So, for 40,000 combat troops you gotta figure the actual number of extra American men and women on Afghan soil is going to be closer to 100,000 or so (latest I was told was 120,000, but that was just one Chief's opinion).

Just thought it was something people should be reminded of. 

And now on to the opinion portion of my post:

Afghanistan has had a long, horrid history with foreign occupations, Taliban, and domestic and foreign terrorism.  At some point these people need to take responsibility for their own country and stop expecting the US to fix their problems.  We helped kick out the Russians (which, ironically, brought in the Taliban....d'oh) but now I think it's time for Afghani's to do their own kicking. 

Just my 2 cents.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

That is a good point.  Your two cents were worth it, thank you.

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snuffysmith

More News On Afghanistan

Sources: Obama near decision on Afghanistan troops -- AP
White House: No Afghanistan troop decision made -- CNN
White House says no final decision yet on Afghanistan -- AFP
White House: No Af-Pak Announcement Likely Until After President Returns from Asia -- ABC News
Afghans React To Possible U.S. Troop Surge -- Voice of America

Fighting in north Afghanistan kills 130 insurgents -- AP
Afghan, NATO forces kill 133 militants -- China View
NATO, Afghan police seize tons of bomb material -- AP
NATO hopes to boost training teams in Afghanistan -- AP
Withdrawal from Musa Qala a mistake, say Black Watch -- Times Online
Allied forces ‘may abandon most of northern Helmand’ -- Times Online
U.S., Afghans Target Taliban Region -- Wall Street Journal
French make slow gains in contested Afghan valley -- NPR
French make slow gains in contested Afghan valley -- AP
Bodies of 6 UK war dead return from Afghanistan -- Yahoo News/AP
TV footage shows Afghan insurgents with US ammo -- Yahoo News/AP
Commanders given four weeks to question Taliban suspects -- The Telegraph
British forces given extra time to hold Afghan insurgents -- The Guardian
For Taliban Fighters, a Fading Memorial -- New York Times

Troops in Afghanistan fight swine flu amid war -- AP
Afghanistan ill-prepared for swine flu -- L.A. Times
To Afghanistan's many problems, now add the flu -- Miami Herald/McClatchy News
Swine flu in Afghanistan -- UPI Asia

Japan Pledges $5 Billion in New Afghan Aid -- New York Times
US, Germany Press Afghan President on Reform -- Voice of America
UN declares Afghan election "credible, legitimate" -- Reuters
U.N. retreat after rigged elections leaves Afghans jittery -- McClatchy News
US, Germany increase pressure on Afghan's Karzai -- AP

US Military Deaths in Afghanistan Region at 836 -- New York Times

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Thanks for this snuffy.

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YankeeJim

As I anticiapted in the Afghanistan Decision post, the Great Compromiser, Obama, will embark on a politically correct, half-baked strategy to nowhere from which we will eventually seek a hasty retreat with robots firing in all directions.

YJ

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Hugh Askew

Dum, de dum dum,          dum.

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snuffysmith

More News On Afghanistan

3 Top Obama Advisers Favor Adding Troops in Afghanistan -- New York Times
Obama considering 4 options for Afghanistan, sources say -- CNN
White House: Obama weighs 4 options in Afghanistan -- AP
Obama in Afghan troop level talks -- BBC
Obama, War Council to Review Afghanistan Troop Options -- L.A. Times
Obama narrowing Afghanistan options -- Chicago Tribune
Decision day looms for Obama's troop dilemma -- The Independent
Obama Looking for 'Off-Ramps' Out of Afghanistan -- ABC News
Obama Aides Accuse Pentagon of Pressuring President Over Afghanistan -- The Telegraph

Poll: Opinion split with Obama's wait on Afghanistan decision -- CNN
Afghans Optimistic Despite U.S. Public Opinion -- Newsweek

US wants more Nato troops for new Afghanistan surge -- Times Online
British PM Defends Military Mission in Afghanistan -- Voice of America
In Afghanistan, Taliban Surpasses al-Qaeda -- Washington Post
Gorbachev: U.S. Should Withdraw From Afghanistan -- The Atlantic
Body of Missing U.S. Soldier Found in Afghanistan -- New York Times
Body of missing US troop found in Afghanistan: NATO -- AFP
Suicide attack kills two in Afghanistan: officer -- AFP
TV footage shows Afghan insurgents with US ammo -- AP
Bomb Material Cache Uncovered in Afghanistan -- New York Times
Massive A’stan Haul: 500,000 Pounds of Bomb-Making Material -- The Danger Room
NATO seizes bomb-making materials in Afghanistan -- AP
FACTBOX-Security developments in Afghanistan, Nov 11 -- Reuters

Military sees increase in wounded in Afghanistan -- NPR
Military sees increase in wounded in Afghanistan -- Yahoo News/AP
Spinal, traumatic brain injuries among US troops rise with violence in Afghanistan -- Washington Examiner

War, poverty and pestilence blight Afghanistan -- The Telegraph
Afghanistan Losing Fight Against H1N1 Flu -- CBS News
War, poverty and now flu blight Afghanistan -- Dawn

Karzai to be inaugurated Nov 19 -- AFP
Afghan president to be sworn in Nov 19 - ministry -- Reuters
Abdullah backs US reform call in Afghanistan -- AFP

US military deaths in Afghanistan region at 836 -- Washington Post/AP

Commentaries And Opinions

Vietnam Myths Haunt Afghanistan -- Washington Times editorial
Too early to sign the death warrant -- Brian Stewart, CBC
Are We Lucky to Have Hamid Karzai? -- Atlantic Wire
The Cost of Dithering -- Frederick W. Kagan and Kimberly Kagan, Weekly Standard opinion

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Thank you snuffysmith:)

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snuffysmith

Obama Receives New Afghan Option -- Wall Street Journal

'Hybrid' Compromise Would Combine Troops, Trainers to Hold Back Taliban and Boost Local Military

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama on Wednesday will consider a new compromise plan for adding troops to Afghanistan that would deploy 30,000 to 35,000 new forces, including as many as 10,000 military trainers, over the next year or more.

The new scenario combines reinforcements for fighting Taliban insurgents with trainers aimed at rapidly increasing the size and capabilities of Afghan troops to take on more operations themselves. It wouldn't aim to eliminate the Taliban, but weaken it until Afghan forces can secure major population centers themselves.

Read more ....

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I.m presently reading a book by an Emergency Room doctor that was on one of the forward Observation Bases with a Canadian Infantry Company.  He said that the Afghan National Army as of May 2008 was starting to be able to take on missions by themselves without NATO's help.

The approach that the Wall Street Journal is advocating was the initial intent of NATO.  The strategy combines Diplomacy with Development and Security.  The intent would be to teach Afghans how to have an effective government, while Government and Non Government Organizations work on reconstruction and the military provides the necessary security.



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a211423

Reconstruction

We know the goals of the military, their capabilities and their role in security.  But I would like to hear more about what reconstruction of the economy is going to consist of, methods of implementation strategies and how its going to redirect the economy away from the opium trade and into real infrastructure building that will provide jobs for Afghani people and build a sustainable economy now and for their future. 

As long as opium continues to be the job source for villagers and the cash crop funding the resistence, how can U.S. and NATO efforts for economic stability advance beyond what exists today, which requires continual military security that looks like a perpetual state of marshall law. 

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

My point is that the military can't do it all by themselves and that is what happened to this point after the first diplomat got killed.  You need the forces and equipment to provide that security or Diplomats, NGOs and Government organizations won.t take the risk. Bottom line is that costs money.  The military, quite frankly would like the other agencies to step up to the plate. 

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