Once Upon a Time in NATO-Occupied Afghanistan

by JoshArizona | May 24, 2010 at 12:01 pm
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US Marine walking down an alley near Mehtar Lam, Afghanistan.

US Marine walking down an alley near Mehtar Lam, Afghanistan.

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These are the similarities between the occupation of France by Nazi Germany  and the occupation of Afghanistan By the United States and its allies. This a non ideological comparison, based on actions only.

Anytime a country is invaded by a foreign power, a resistance movement is going to spring up. It is inevitable. If the United States were invaded, would you not resist? The motives of the invading power are irrelevant, they can be completely pure or completely evil, and it wouldn't matter. There will always be a resistance to occupation, no matter how benevolent or malevolent it is.

It is important that we understand why these groups fight, and what they believe.

1. When Germany invaded France in 1940, The French people didn't take to kindly to being invaded by a foreign army. Neither did Afghanistan, when the United States military came rolling in.

These invasions and occupations sparked resistance movements. People were upset that some foreigners had come into their country and changed things around.

Now, I am sure we all agree that the Nazis were an evil regime,and that we are all glad they are no longer in power. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the Taliban was an oppressive totalitarian regime also.

The Germans invaded and ousted France's democratic government and replaced it with their own hand picked authoritarian Vichy government.

The United States invaded and ousted Afghanistan's totalitarian government, and held democratic elections to install a democratic form of government.

Now like I said earlier It doesn't matter how bad or how good these occupying power's motives are. There will always be people who are upset over the occupation.

2. In France there wasn't simply one group of the resistance, there were hundreds of different groups of different sizes and different ideologies.There were nationalists, anarchists, socialists, communists, French republicans, and even monarchists. They all had different reasons to resist, they all had different political beliefs. But they all fought a common enemy.

In Afghanistan there are hundred of different tribes that have ruled themselves for hundreds of years. Many of these tribes were opposed to the Taliban, and are opposed to the US occupation. Many of them fought the Soviets when they invaded in 1979 and were part of the CIA organized resistance to the Russian occupation. There are insurgent groups that are connected with the Taliban and some sympathetic to the Taliban, but not the majority of them. Not all of the fighters in Afghanistan are part of the Taliban, just  like not all of the French resistance were supporters of the French Republic and Charles de Gaulle. There are also warlords and opium growers not aligned with the Taliban, that fight for their own reasons.

3. What happened when a French resistant was caught by the Nazis or the collaborationist Vichy regime? These men and women were taken to prisons, tortured for information and confessions, and many were executed.

In Afghanistan, what happens when someone is caught in combat with US forces or captured for being suspected of being a combatant? They are put in a detention camp(local prisons,US military camps and Guantanamo), tortured for information or confessions (which the US government likes to call "enhanced interrogation"), and now Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has reported that US soldiers are killing captured Afghan fighters.

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Seymour Hersh: US troops executing prisoners in Afghanistan

Mr. Hersh reported that US troops are told that when they capture someone, they must prove in 1 or 2 days that the individual is a member of the Taliban. If they cannot prove that a person is a member, they must set them free. He says, what is happening is that because now they must furnish proof, they are now executing prisoners right after capturing them, so they won't have to go through the process of providing evidence that an individual is a member of the Taliban.

Now I don't think that US soldiers are evil people. I believe that they are good people like you or me, that are just put into a bad situation. Yes, there are some bad apples, but they are not the majority. I do not subscribe to the ideas of the Taliban either,like the Nazi party of Germany and the Communist party of the Soviet Union, they are a totalitarian group that suppressed the inalienable rights of human beings.

But, something is wrong here. We as American citizens should be outraged over our government's conduct in Afghanistan. This war has no end in sight. It has the potential to go on for eternity, it is going to have to end someday with the withdrawal of US troops. But, when is that going to happen? The sooner Americans show our elected leaders that we want this to end, whether it be through voting them out or mass protests, the sooner it will end.

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Dwightwannabe

"This war has no end in sight." That's because you are shortsighted."...it is going to have to end someday with the withdrawal of US troops." No, it's going to end with complete and unambiguous victory. "But, when is that going to happen?" It's going to happen when pussy sympathizers like yourself step your own irrelevant asses to the side and let the full fury of disproportionate warfare rain down on the just and the unjust alike. You spend your days shoveling sand into the gears of the war effort and then you have the audacity to wonder why it's taking so long to root an ideology out of the most difficult terrain on this planet.Dude, you were wrong about Vietnam. The ghosts of 3 million Cambodians are whispering in your ear if you'll just shake the Mao out of them and listen.  And you are wrong about this war too.Your "but our mere presence is breeding resistance!" whiny argument folds under a wispy weight of logic.  The U.S. has been standing by and letting third world crotch-kickers take their best shot for almost 30 years.  All that patience and diplomacy has bred zero understanding and nothing but a shitload more of emboldened crotch kickers.Shut the fuck up. YOU are the problem, you seditious bag of douche. Shut the fuck up.

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JoshArizona

Wow, the personal insults definitely further your cause.

"No, it's going to end with complete and unambiguous victory.", that has propaganda written all over it. Are your really that deep in denial, or are you a paid disinformation agent?

Are you claiming that occupying a country doesn't upset its inhabitants?

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t k kidwai

@ Dwightwannable(not verified)You are living in fool's paradise,please stay there for ever,none is going to have any problem.Your bombastic nonsense emanates from false propaganda US empire carries on to hoodwink American public.Lunkheaded Americans do not question official version,be it about war or peace.There is one more similarity between German Nazis and American imperialists:Germans had Goebble,US empire has Geobbles.What else are Bush Bin Satan,Coward Dick Cheney?Aren't both neo-Geobbles?Lies and deception,every government,elected or otherwise,resorts to to defend its crimes,especially war crimes.

Day dreaming about neo-empire's victory in Afghanistan is your birth right,no one can take it away from you.The most powerful empire of the yester year,the British empire couldn't withstand Afghan resistance and was pushed back.Afghans have won four wars,why can't they win fifth one.

 

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JoshArizona

Great comment, I like this part:

"Day dreaming about neo-empire's victory in Afghanistan is your birth right,no one can take it away from you."

Sum's Dwight's post up perfectly.

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JoshArizona

"It's going to happen when pussy sympathizers like yourself step your own irrelevant asses to the side and let the full fury of disproportionate warfare rain down on the just and the unjust alike."

So, you are advocating disproportionate force to fall on the good and the bad?

You are arguing for collateral damage?

And you admit that we are trying to wipe out an ideology, but guess what, you can never destroy an idea, you can fight for eternity and try, but it is impossible.

"YOU are the problem, you seditious bag of douche. Shut the fuck up."

Like yourself, I am using my first amendment rights. This is seditious?

This comment would be funny if it wasn't so troubling.

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Comrade Ivan

Fantastic. This website is a haven for every leftover communist in this world

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JoshArizona

Wow, what an intelligent reply.(obvious sarcasm)


I am not a communist, if you bothered to read any of my articles. You would notice very quickly that, I am an unapologetic Libertarian in the tradition of Thomas Jefferson.

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t k kidwai

@Comrade Ivan(not verified)

How one who sympathises with Afghans could be a communist?Are Afghans fighting for the establishment of a communist state?.One can have pity on ignorants.

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FMOTL

just a heads up guys but these sort of pro war comments seem to be coming from Israeli gov organised network of zionist jews told to go out and attack the blogosphere of any comments that are against their propaganda. They have the FEAR cos they dont control the internet to the same extent that they control the main stream media i,e 100%

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Manie

  @ Dwightwannabe to say that your ignorant or stupid  or miss informed is  a shear undersatement. judging by your comments you have no regard for life and are an agent of  breeding hate.  here is the simple fact.  this war shall continue untill it drains the U.S and NATO to the point where they cannot bear it no longer. and will have to pull back in a misserable defeat. and here are a few reasons why  the Taliban do not have a sophisticated war machine that they have to take care of  costing millions of dollars, pay  thier fighters thousands of dollars  they do it for free for thier country  weather you think they are right or wrong is irrelavant. with all the Bombs, the high tech gear,  100,000 soldiers on the ground and they cant seem to get any where in 10 years you begin to wander.  last but not least  like the saying goes  the Invaders might have the watch but we have all the time in the world.

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t k kidwai

@Manie(not verfied)

Excellent comments.Modern day invaders are under this illusion that they have watch,time and time keepers like Karzai.

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Joe Dormer

In the history of warfare there has NEVER been a war fought for altruistic purposes.  So WHY are we over there?

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