OpEd News: Obama's Nobel speech a call for war

by Susan Marie Kovalinsky | December 10, 2009 at 09:49 am
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How dare a president refusing to support a treaty on land mines speak in these terms? Are we supposed to not see the actions and just hear the words?
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An angry piece from OpEd News,  by David Swanson,  argues that Obama not only rejected the Nobel Peace prize in his phony acceptance speech,  but actually used the opportunity as an "infomercial for war":  

Swanson is clearly pacifist in his ideology,  and makes no excuses for wars or occupations under any means.  Indeed,  he cites Martin Luther King, and makes liberal use of Obama's quotations to reveal what he views as hypocrisy,  or something worse.  

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"A nonviolent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al-Qaidas leaders to lay down their arms." Now a group of fewer than 100 angry people in Afghanistan, and their allies elsewhere, are the rough equivalent of "Hitler's armies" and justify the brutal occupation of a nation by tens and hundreds of thousands of soldiers and mercenaries, tanks and planes, and unmanned drones? And negotiations, with the Taliban or anyone else, are not possible because " because " well, because of that rhetoric about Hitler's armies.
Swanson on Obama speech excepts , OpEd News online

The Taliban ,  Obama has claimed, cannot be subdued by diplomatic means.  Does Swanson truly believe that they can?  

Swanson makes no bones about being of the perspective that the United States has coerced, invaded, and attacked its way through decades of ensuing history post World War II.  That he campaigned as the anti-war President was not altogether clear to many of us, and I for one always doubted that Obama was the "leftist" that many of his more radical supporters  - and opponents  -  painted him out to be.  

Further related to Obama's speech ,  Now Public story by Albertacowpoke ,  and this Examiner piece on the strange light which appeared to herald in the speech.  

That was not a peace prize acceptance speech. That was an infomercial for war. President Obama took the peace prize home with him, but left behind in Oslo his praise for war, his claims for war, and his view of an alternative and more peaceful approach to the world consisting of murderous economic sanctions. 
Yet, you did argue. You argued by accepting the prize " and then making a false case for war:










"War, in one form or another, appeared with the first man. At the dawn of history, its morality was not questioned; it was simply a fact, like drought or disease — the manner in which tribes and then civilizations sought power and settled their differences."

This is simply not true of all tribes and civilizations, unless we include war making as a criterion for being considered civilized.

"The concept of a 'just war' emerged, suggesting that war is justified only when it meets certain preconditions: if it is waged as a last resort or in self-defense; if the forced used is proportional; and if, whenever possible, civilians are spared from violence."

How dare someone responsible for illegal occupations and air strikes and the use of unmanned drones say these words? (Responsible, that is, given the failure of Congress and of we the people to stop him.)

"America led the world in constructing an architecture to keep the peace: a Marshall Plan and a United Nations, mechanisms to govern the waging of war, treaties to protect human rights, prevent genocide and restrict the most dangerous weapons."

How dare a president refusing to support a treaty on land mines speak in these terms? Are we supposed to not see the actions and just hear the words?

"I make this statement mindful of what Martin Luther King said in this same ceremony years ago: 'Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: It merely creates new and more complicated ones.'"

Very wise. Very true. And completely violated by Barack Obama's actions and the better part of the words in this speech. Are we supposed to hear these words in a different part of our brains from the rest of the speech and its advocacy of war?

"A nonviolent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al-Qaidas leaders to lay down their arms."

Now a group of fewer than 100 angry people in Afghanistan, and their allies elsewhere, are the rough equivalent of "Hitler's armies" and justify the brutal occupation of a nation by tens and hundreds of thousands of soldiers and mercenaries, tanks and planes, and unmanned drones? And negotiations, with the Taliban or anyone else, are not possible because " because " well, because of that rhetoric about Hitler's armies.

"The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms. The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans. We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will. We have done so out of enlightened self-interest."

A 1993 Congressional Research Service (CRS) study of the U.S. Navy's Naval Historical Center records identified "234 instances in which the United States has used its armed forces abroad in situations of conflict or potential conflict or for other than normal peacetime purposes" between 1798 and 1993. This list does not include covert actions or post-World War II occupation forces and base agreements. In a 2006 review of this study and two others, Gar Smith found that "in our country's 230 years of existence, there have been only 31 years in which U.S. troops were not actively engaged in significant armed adventures on foreign shores." In other words, fewer than 14% of America's days have been at peace. As of 2006, there were 192 member states in the United Nations. Over the past two centuries, the United State has attacked, invaded, policed, overthrown, or occupied 62 of them. Read more.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I thought the speech was quite conservative in nature.  It was the first time I heard Obama acknowledge that evil exists and that some wars are a noble cause.  Obviously to the President Afghanistan is.

I would agree that the speech was an attempt at justifying his decision to go ahead with the surge.  MLK and Ghandi were almost an afterthought (in all likelihood deliberate).  Thanks for linking my story smk.


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Rhonda J Mangus

'Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: It merely creates new and more complicated ones.'"

And, President Obama, like his predecessor is a 'War President', unfortunately.

Excellent piece, smk. Thanks!


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Susan Marie Kovalinsky

Thank you Pocci, and Rhonda,  both.  Yes,  Obama is more like W Bush in this sense than many thought he would be,  on both sides.  I just do not know what will come of the surge or all.....

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I don't think one speech, which is justification for his involvement in Afghanistan, makes him like Bush.  He does have to close GITMO though and hope that not one Taliban is ever tortured by US Forces or those they are handed over too.  Canada is going through that torture allegation right now.

He has to make good on his promise to get rid of DADT.  I suspect he will move to the centre now that his popularity, according to several polls, is below 50%.  On one poll as low as 43%. 

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Rhonda J Mangus

You are very welcome, smk!


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Rhonda J Mangus

Watch how history (is) will repeat itself, ACP:)!




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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

it just may:)

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

it just may:)

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Hugh Askew

Reading actions, along with words and excuses, one gets this translation:

It is all Bush's fault, I think I will do just like he did, only more.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I guess more is better.

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a211423

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/cultural-capital/2009/12/obama-speech-peace-war-rights#reader-comments

This is one of the best analysis of his speech I have read so far.

It neither diminishes nor placates the message.

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Hugh Askew

"The two largest muslim populations in the area are Pakistan and Iran.

Both are HUGE problems. Iraq has stabilized, my guess is Afghanistan will as well - given some time - and the extra troops.

Obama needs to, has to, get of dead center - NOW - with both Iran and Pakisatan.

Supporting the opposition in Iran, visibly, and covertly, would be a huge step. Make some speeches, he likes those. Get a him spare teleprompter if he needs one.

Start really, really pushing Pakistan. Use India as leverage. We need to be better friends with India any way. Kill two birds with the same stone here. Pakistan has to do more, no options on that. They have a very professional army, and can contribute way more to the fight than they do.



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Iffy

Something as evil as Islamic-fascism (look at how many muslims alone they have killed in the last ten years!), nothing but total war and total vanquishing is possible. They need to be defeated as thoroughly as was Hitler and the fascists. Otherwise, a new dark age will drop on the planet and it will be the biggest role back in human rights and progress ever seen in human history. 

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Susan Marie Kovalinsky

Wow, thanks for that link,  A!!!!!!!!  good reading .......

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snuffysmith

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snuffysmith

Norman Solomon : War is Not Peace

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snuffysmith

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snuffysmith

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Susan Marie Kovalinsky

THANKS FOR ALL LINKS,  SNUFFY! : )

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