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Oscar Grant: 1st Unarmed Black Man Police Killed in 2009 - Next?
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by duo | January 6, 2009 at 01:00 am
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THE YEAR 2009 STARTED WITH A BANG that ended the life of 22-year-old African American man in the California Bay Area. Oscar Grant’s shooting death was captured on the video footage below. He was killed by police in what some people are calling cold blooded murder. (Read the whole story here. Report by KTVU San Francisco, Jan. 5, 2009)
I received the following account of Grant’s death in my email today along with the video footage.
BART-Police who patrol the Bay Area's subway system entered the train to break up a fight. They pulled a number of young African American men from the train, and lined them up in a seating position against the concrete wall of the train station. Two police officers pulled Mr. Grant from his seating position, and he raised both his hands as though to show his complete surrender. Nevertheless the unarmed, handcuffed young man was stretched out on the ground by two officers while a third officer (a two-year veteran) pulled his gun, pointed it at his helpless cative, and killed young Grant with a single gunshot. Commuters were horrified at the violence, and the other young men who police had removed from the train with Grant were terrified, believing it would be their turns next.
Videos to this horrific shooting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0zWbVZb8I&feature=related
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4
When the story first broke there were stories about the police snatching people's cell phones and video cameras. Witnesses to the shooting were being hushed up or discredited. But apparently, the police didn't get all of the cameras. The person who filmed this footage is said to be too frightened to be identified because the police really enforce the “don't snitch” rule in that community.
There was a press conference today about a 25 million dollar lawsuit, but no amount of money brings back a life. More information will be provided as it is made available.
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UPDATE - 1/8/09 - Riots erupt in Oakland after slain father laid to rest
RIOT VIDEO FOOTAGE is at this link:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/08/BART.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
(CNN) -- Protests erupted shortly after a young man killed by a subway police officer was laid to rest in Oakland on Wednesday night, according to local media and iReporters.
Oscar Grant, 22, was killed January 1 in a shooting at a subway station in California's Bay Area.
The Oakland Police Department made 105 arrests, including a mass arrest of about 80 people at 11 p.m., said Officer Jeff Thomason. The charges include inciting a riot, vandalism, assault on a police officer and unlawful assembly, he said.
One officer was injured, but not seriously, Thomason said.
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MARY’S COMMENTARY
While Grant's family is suing the taxpayers for having such "law officers" as these, this writer hopes they will not forget to actually sue the individual Bay Area Rapid Transit Police who participated in Grant’s death. As long as individual police officers have the understanding that to kill a black or brown man equals a paid suspension, this might continue throughout the year, as it did in 2008 and previous years.
It is good that many citizens carry cellphones equipped with video cameras, and some people carry digital camcorders. If citizens had not captured Oscar Grant’s shooting death on video, his family might never know what happened to him. Perhaps they would be told that Grant presented a threat to the officers in some way, but the video clearly shows his hands up in surrender. If there was film to record Larry Neal’s death (my brother) in the Memphis/Shelby County Jail on August 1, 2003, his family has never been allowed to see it. Neither has there been any accountability whatsoever as to why this lifelong mentally ill heart patient was secretly arrested for 18 days while his family and social worker were repeatedly and falsely told by police that Larry was not incarcerated, thereby keeping Larry from his vital psychiatric and heart drugs.
The truth is that the system may offer some excuse why Grant was held down and shot to death by law officers, or try to explain to the world how our eyes cannot be trusted. With my mentally ill brother’ death, no one even bothered to create an excuse or give any records or accountability whatsoever. Shelby County Jail does not feel like trying to explain Larry's secret arrest and death, and that is just fine with the U.S. Justice Department, the federal agency charged with protecting the civil rights of institutionalized persons. The wrongful deaths of African American men, and perhaps mentally ill persons of any race, are deemed unworthy of the investigative effort given to Michael Vick’s dogs.
Congratulations to the citizens for having their cameras ready to shoot this important footage. Hopefully, our incoming Attorney General, Eric Holder, Jr., will demand that the nation's police departments, the USDOJ, and America's penal system CHANGE. See information about Mr. Holder here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder
I am particularly pleased that Mr. Holder represented the NFL during its dog fighting investigation against Michael Vick. The Attorney General of the United States of America should certainly agree that people's deaths deserve similar effort. I want Mr. Holder to know that I was impressed with the accountability demanded for Michael Vick's dogs and stand expecting that some of the zeal for justice will one day spill over to investigating my unfortunate brother's death and abuses to other mental ill citizens as well as healthy prisoners and citizens like Oscar Grant, who are too frequently killed by police during arrest attempts. Michael Vick's dogs inspired the poem featured below as well as the name for our family's justice quest regarding the wrongful death of Larry Neal - Dog Justice.
Dogs became our theme for Assistance to the Incarcerated Mentally Ill ("AIMI") because animal protection laws have been strengthened in America, while many citizens are still "dogged out." Members of AIMI advocate for equal justice, an end to the death penalty, and for mental illness to be decriminalized in our country. We understand the fact that incarcerating mental patients and non-violent offenders is very profitable to private prison investors, but to mistreat sick Americans or any citizens to benefit stock portfolios is wrong. Currently, 1.25 million persons with mental dysfunctions are imprisoned in the U.S.A. rather than treated in hospitals and community care. Furthermore, 2/3 of the 2.3 million prisoners in America are non-violent offenders, pushing our prison budget over $50 billion annually. The estimated cost reaches $185 billion when adding the cost of law enforcement officers, court costs, lawyers for the indigent, jail while awaiting trial, psychological examinations when ordered, and other costs.
The wrongful death of Oscar Grant now joins his name with Sean Bell, Larry Neal, Sean LeVert, and many others. By now, fallen citizens may have enough names for their own wall, like the Viet Nam veterans. It is too late to help Oscar, but please help Jeremy Smith, a schizophrenic young man of color who was subjected to four years in solitary confinement and now faces four more years in solitary confinement (in the "hole") for merely hitting another mental patient, but causing no bodily harm. In fact, our courts are so harsh that Jeremy was sentenced to EIGHT YEARS IMPRISONMENT for that offense.
Replace punishment with treatment for sick citizens!
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/JusticeForJeremy
We hope for positive CHANGE under Mr. Holder as Attorney General, and increased accountability regarding police violence to men of color and to all citizens. Equal justice is important to everyone, as noted by Rev. Martin Luther King, whose birthday we will soon celebrate.
This writer was very displeased to learn that Rev. King's final address, "I've been to the Mountaintop" had been fraudulently edited in 18 of the 20 online printed versions of that famous speech which she checked. Key phrases having to do with "illegal injunctions" and "dogs and water hoses" were omitted from Rev. King's most quoted paragraph of the speech. Please see the link below:
MLK's Final Speech Fraudulently Edited to Change History
http://my.nowpublic.com/culture/mlks-final-speech-was-fraudulently-edited-change-history
The best way not to need to re-write history as seems to be the case with Rev. King's final speech online, fabricate false accounts of citizen's deaths, or violate trample the law by falsifying or withholding public records, as happened in my brother's jailhouse death, is to do just as Rev. King admonished in his final public address on April 3, 1968. Rev. King advised America to "just be true to what you said on paper."
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DOG JUSTICE ©
Too bad you weren't a dog, my brother
In my heart, I cried
Many more people would care about you
And wonder why you died
You had no spots or floppy ears
You never fetched a ball
Instead, you were a human being
But poor, black, and flawed
You died in jail for mental illness
I know down in my heart
Your death would be investigated
If only you could bark
Dog deaths get swift justice
Their abusers are sent to jail
Poor Mama would have closure now
If you'd had a wagging tail
But you were made in God's image
And some day, I have no doubt
The mentally ill and American dogs
Will have at least equal clout
by Mary Neal
(all rights reserved)
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Oscar Grant's tragedy was updated in the following articles:
Oscar Grant's Family's $50 Million Suit - Cost of Police Violence
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/oscar-grants-familys-50-million-suit-cost-police-violence
Trial coverage at:
Oscar Grant Shooting: Johannes Mehserles Murder Trial
http://my.nowpublic.com/world/oscar-grant-shooting-johannes-mehserles-murder-trial
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at 09:28 on January 6th, 2009
CORRECTION: I appreciate that your trying to raise awareness on this, I feel the same way as you about this being an execution and cold-blooded murder. But if you're gonna report on this, please get the facts straight. Oscar was not shot in the head as you reported, he was being held down on the floor on his belly, was shot in the lower back, and the bullet richocheted up off the concrete platform floor and came back through his upper chest and killed him.
at 16:06 on January 13th, 2009
After watching all videos, I can't for the life of me understand why this officer shot this young man. He wasn't doing anything that warranted accessive force. In fact, I felt as if he was cooperating with the law enforcement officers. This incident should not be laid to rest until all of these videos have been viewed and witnesses have been questioned.
at 10:44 on January 8th, 2009
What a tragic way for the new year to begin for Oscar Grant's family and for our nation. We need CHANGE.
Grant was funeralized on January 7. Approximately 1,100 people attended his funeral.
Link to access Oscar Grant's Legacy Book and send messages to his family:
http://www.legacy.com/InsideBayArea/GB/GuestbookIndex.aspx?PersonID=1221...
More information about Oscar, a young father who worked two jobs, is at this link: http://news.yahoo.com/video/2825
Thanks to ISF Foundation for providing the above links.
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BART Cop Resigns
"BART spokesman Linton Johnson said in a statement that the officer's attorney and his union representative submitted the resignation at a meeting Wednesday morning with BART police investigators. The officer was going to be at the meeting but did not show up, Johnson said." http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/07/BART.shooting/index.html
Thanks to who_me for the above information on the shooter. No news yet regarding the other officers at the scene.
at 13:57 on January 6th, 2009
"I appreciate that your trying to raise awareness on this, I feel the same way as you about this being an execution and cold-blooded murder."
You said it your-self and clearly: "I feel the same way as you about this being an execution and cold-blooded murder."
at 14:36 on January 6th, 2009
Call the Washington Representative offices to demand the FBI be involved and to investigate possible obstruction of justice commited by B.A.R.T. Police officers at the scene and any higher-ups. I called a little while ago and was surprised to learn our representatives knew NOTHING about Oscar Grant. Call them now and tell then you are their constituent (voter living in their congressional district) and you would like them to have a watchful eye over the investigation and urge them to bring in the FBI. Pass verbally or cut and paste this message to other blogs. we need to change how our representatives deal with these senseless police shootings.
California Sentors
Senator Dianne Feinstein
United States Senate
331 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954
TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501
Senator Barbara Boxer
United States Senate
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Phone: (202) 224-3553
Fax: (202) 228-0454
TTY/TDD: (202) 224-2501
U.S. Representative (District 9- Oakland, CA)
Barbara Lee
Oakland District Office
1301 Clay Street Suite 1000-N
Oakland, CA 94612
Phone: (510) 763-0370 Fax: (510) 763-6538
Hours of Operation: 9am - 5pm PST
Washington, D.C. Office
2444 Rayburn HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2661 Fax: (202) 225-9817
Hours of Operation: 9am - 5pm EST
at 15:25 on January 6th, 2009
Thank you for the graphic description of Oscar's wound. I appreciate your help.
Mary
at 16:36 on January 6th, 2009
at 16:37 on January 6th, 2009
What horror! Undoubtedly, this year began badly with the tragic death of a young man - someone's son and the father of a child who will now never fully realize the man his/her dad was and who Oscar might have become if he had been allowed to live.
My deepest condolences to Oscar Grant's family and friends. If we can use the awful truth this video portrays to show our nation's need for CHANGE in how citizens are too often treated by law enforcement (particularly black or brown citizens and the mentally ill of all races), Oscar will not have died in vain.
at 16:44 on January 6th, 2009
Thank you for this helpful information. Citizens need to realize that voting representatives into office is like a wedding ceremony. We make our choice among numerous qualified people. But after the wedding, without constant communication, the relationship suffers.
Elected officials care about what voters care about. If you care about the wrongful death of Oscar Grant, please notify your elected officials that you demand CHANGE in our justice system, from our officers on the street to the USDOJ.
Here is a link to contact your representatives: http://www.house.gov/writerep
CQ: Guide to New Members of Congress: http://www.cqpoliti cs.com/wmspage. cfm?parm1= 158
at 20:25 on January 6th, 2009
Notice: This article is experiencing heavy censorship. I usually put articles on Care2News Network and into my Care2 Sharebook, which go to the Internet. Once I post an article on the Care2News Network, I notify my Care2 friends about it, and they vote for the article by "noting" it. Articles with the most notes get promoted to the Front Page, and are then carried by Care2News Network in their email to each member's mailbox who elect to receive that service. Care2 has 9 million members. For censorship purposes, I am being stopped from notifying my friends about this article at Care2News Network. That is to keep the news of Oscar Grant's death off the Front Page. But in God we trust.
PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT OSCAR ALREADY. IF ANYONE IS ASHAMED OF THE WAY BLACK MEN ARE SHOT AND KILLED WITH REGULARITY BY POLICE, JUST STOP DOING IT!
Mary
at 03:33 on January 7th, 2009
http://www.care2.com/news/member/513396753/1008224
I hope the link helps your story get noticed, this was a child brutally murdered in front of so many witnesses, and that is why they were trying to confiscate cells. Prayers to the poor souls left to bury this young one. The poem is lovely, Mary, I only wish he knew. The one poor kid looks like he was praying, this is more than heart breaking, they were all terrified, it was senseless and those officers should have arrested the murderer! My God, Mary they witnessed cold blooded murder and did nothing!
Make those calls, people, don't wait until it happens to your own, and don't think yours can't be the next child murdered by the system in place to protect us.
at 16:49 on January 7th, 2009
I was booted off the Internet when I tried to respond to your message last night, Sheila. This lasted all day. Much censorship is applied to those who advocate for equal justice, apparently. I was told at first it was due to high winds. But when I pointed out that my Internet operates on buried cable, the technician checked and turned up the signal, which was apparently set too low. Money buys cooperation many places.
HERE IS A LINK THEY HAVE REMOVED FROM THIS POST TWICE WHICH SHOWS OFFICERS IGNORING BRUTALITY: Duanna Johnson - Beating Video
(NOTE: "They" keep removing the linking capability from the above link. I doubt if this raw footage is going to remain available for long, so if you want to have it, do as I do - burn a copy of this violence from the link that has the film.
http://www.lgbthatecrimes.org/doku.php/duanna-johnson
I burnt copies on DVDs and on the hard drives of a number of computers.)
I want to point out that many officers have a propensity to stand aside and watch fellow officers commit illegal offenses against citizens - even brutality or murder. Consider the Rodney King affair, which eventually cost 32 lives. Consider the beating of transgender person, Duanna Johnson, whose beating in Shelby County Jail in Memphis, Tennessee was caught on video in February and released for wide viewing in June 2008. The officers involved (one who restrained her and one who beat her) were eventually fired for this abuse. She planned a suit against the jail for the brutality, but was shot execution style before suit was actually filed on Nov. 9. See the conduct of the other officers in the booking area while this detainee is being beaten and maced on the uncut video below. (Most of the uncut versions were removed from the Internet, likely so police could claim the victim did something to deserve such conduct, so I was not surprised when I received the email stating that BART officers confiscated all the video cell phones from commuters after Grant's shooting death.) However, the raw footage of Duanna's beating shows the victim was simply sitting in a chair, just like young Grant was sitting with his back against the wall at the train station prior to being shot. TWO LINKS SHOULD BE BELOW, BUT CENSORSHIP IS BUSY.
Duanna Johnson - Beating Video
http://www.lgbthatecrimes.org/doku.php/duanna-johnson
Not only did the other police officers ignore Duanna Johnson being restrained, beaten, and maced, but the nurse who came after the abuse went to attend to the officer's hand, which he later claimed he hurt in this activity. Ironically, this is the same "correctional facility" that secretly arrested my mentally ill brother and kept him 18 days under arrest without his prescription drugs until he died, but will not give us any records or accounting for why he was arrested or how he died.
It is time for CHANGE in our criminal justice area.
Blessings, and thank you for commenting.
Mary
at 23:01 on January 7th, 2009
If any readers have contact information for Oscar Grant's family or the funeral home they will use, please post the information. Some people would like to make contributions and send condolences. Thanks in advance.
Mary
at 18:49 on January 7th, 2009
'some people are calling cold-blooded murder.' Why only some people! It's obvious. To me, Americans have lost track of what is real in a society where truth is negotiable in a court of law. I won't call it a court of justice because aparently you don't have them there. And as for the correspondent who so kindly corrected the description of the path of the bullet that killed the poor boy, so what? He was murdered without provocation. The only reason a policeman should ever fire a shot is in training or in extreme need of defence of his own life. In any other instance a shot that kills is an instance of murder. Any society that fails to punish the criminal at an appropriate level of severity is not a just society. If you Americans don't like my imputation of your having an unjust society, clean it up and make it one.
at 19:14 on January 7th, 2009
that's some bull s!!! what they did to that young man and white people wonder why african american's walk around with attitude's all the dam time not all of you are bad but he is wrong for what he did to that young man that's someone's child most of all his is god's child my heart gose out to the family and to his beautiful child keep your head up to the mother of the child and god is on you all's side pray when time's get heard and you miss him don't take your focus off of you all pride and joy to the mother i am a mothre as well and i never lost a child but all i can say is pray the man upstair can help my heart gose out to you and i hope like hell they pay for what they have done to your son i have one and i am trying to keep him as close as possible and i am going to keep you all in my heart and in my pray's at night
at 22:57 on January 7th, 2009
Hello, Hugh. Thanks for your comments. If one of the young men had shot and killed another one, we would call it "murder." But because the shooter was a policeman, we call it "excessive use of force," which will likely be explained away by saying the officer thought he was pulling out his Taser weapon, as reported on the news last night (to Taser a man who was already subdued, which is perfectly acceptable around here as long as the subject is black, brown, or poor). Now do you understand the difference?
Mary
at 04:49 on January 8th, 2009
Ah their is still a whole year to kill more!
at 06:42 on January 8th, 2009
Are you a police officer, Steve? I think it is illegal for anyone other than police to hold down and shoot unarmed black men. If a gang of civilians did such a thing in plain view of hundreds of commuters at the train station and millions of people via the videos that were filmed, they would have been taken into custody immediately and charged for Oscar's murder. If you are not already a police officer and you wish to engage in such hostile behavior unrestrained by laws protecting your victims' right to life, the officer who killed Oscar reportedly resigned. BART has a vacancy.
Mary
at 09:27 on January 8th, 2009
Nice lynch mob, they are investigating it already. Chill out! would you want they hang the officer now without a trial? And so what if he was black, its wrong to kill black brown yellow or white. Quit trying to make it a racial thing.
at 10:12 on January 8th, 2009
Thank you for your comments, so what. I assure you it is not this writer who makes police abuse and fatal shootings of citizens "a racial thing." If you are able to name ten unarmed white Americans who were shot to death by police in 2008, please do. It would only take me a few minutes to check my emails to give you ten men of color who were.
You are absolutely right that it is wrong to kill people of any race except in self defense or to render assistance to another person who is in imminent danger, and thank you for reporting that the matter is under investigation.
Mary
at 23:16 on January 8th, 2009
A blog has been created for anybody to freely express their opinions about the killing. Go to http://justiceforoscar.blogspot.com
Please share the blog address with others.
at 09:34 on January 9th, 2009
Its too bad that things like this don't happen more often!
at 12:37 on January 9th, 2009
By putting the link here, you just shared the blogspot with many poeple. Thank you for doing that.
To see what Care2 members think about this senseless death, please visit my article there at this link: http://www.care2.com/news/member/513396753/1008224
at 14:24 on January 9th, 2009
Hello HolyWood. Then you will be happy to know that police in Houston came close to ending 2008 with the shooting death of another young, black man, but he lived. He was shot in his chest in his own driveway by police who claimed they thought his SUV was a stolen vehicle. No need to check the tags first, of course.
The problem with police shooting and killing unarmed citizens, like the mentally ill and people of color (some of whom are acting on the same sickness you obviously suffer from), is that it creates a society none of us want to live in, and many people can get hurt. Look at the riot footage after Oscar Grant's funeral:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/08/BART.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
Do you really want to live under Marshall Law? Would you really like to turn our country into some battleground? Black people and white people and Asians and Native Americans and Latinos and all the ethinic groups who make up the citizenship of this great nation have got to find a way to get along with one another. Police have it in their power to do things that can destroy our society.
I don't know if police officers need more training or if employment screening for recruits need to do a better job of eliminating racists. I do know that complaints against officers need more corrective attention BEFORE the officers actually kill unarmed citizens. Hothead officers put us all at risk, because shooting deaths like Grant's set off riots and increase racial tension in our society. Besides that, all taxpayes, including racists like you appear to be by your comments, end up paying big lawsuits with money that is needed elsewhere. So if you don't care about people, maybe you care about the financial cost of police violence.
Mary
at 08:31 on January 12th, 2009
I JUST THINK THIS IS SAD AND WHATS WORSE THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE ON HERE JUSTIFYING WHAT THIS POLICE OFFICER DID, ITS ALWAYS BEEN WHITES VS BLACKS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE SO AS LONG PEOPLE CONTINUE WITH THEIR IGNORANCE!!! THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS AMERICA STILL TREATS BLACK PEOPLE LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS VS THEIR COUNTERPARTS. I MEAN LOOK THIS ISNT THE FIRST SHOOTING THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO A BLACK MAN AND HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, LETS CALL THIS THE MODERN DAY KKK. THATS WHY I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR POLICE OFFICERS. THE MOMENT THEY GET A FREAKIN BADGE ON THEY GET AN "S" ON THEIR CHESTS AND THINK THEIR SHIT DONT STINK. I CAN'T STAND THEM PERSONALLY!!! FURTHERMORE IF U WANT TO GET TECH AND TAKE IT TO THE RACE RELATIONS, WHEN A WHITE CHILD IS MISSING THE SHIT BECOMES MAJOR NEWS, WHEN ONE OF OUR YOUNG BLACK PEOPLE GETS SHOT IT ONLY BECOME MAJOR NEWS IF SOMEONE HAS IT ON TAPE...THINGS THAT MAKE U GO HMMMM. U STILL GOT A LOT OF RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY...NO TWO PEOPLE ARE BETTER THAN ANY RACE OR GROUP OF PEOPLE AT THE END OF THE DAY; WE ARE ALL ONE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.GOD'S CHILDREN!!!
at 10:48 on January 12th, 2009
Google - Adolph Grimes III and Robbie Tolan....its sad how police have the mind-set that it's open season!!
at 12:50 on January 12th, 2009
Yes, it is sad. If the Texas policeman's bullet had not lodged in Robbie's liver, we might be discussing two deaths today. I hope Robbie recovers fully and is able to resume his promising career.
Mary
at 17:13 on January 12th, 2009
Racism is only a diversion to keep 95% of the people occupied with blaming and hating each other while 5% enjoy 95% of the nation's wealth.
Mary
at 00:15 on January 18th, 2009
I get the response from Google: Google Maps API Server rejected your request. This could be because the API key used on this site was registered for a different web stie. You can generate a new key for this web site at http://code.google.com/apis/maps.com.
This article comes up on the Internet only where I posted it to Care2. Is something wrong, NP?
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Followup: Thank you for fixing that. I now see it on the Internet under NowPublic. But the error message from Google pops up when I open this page. Is this true for anyone else?
Mary
at 10:21 on January 18th, 2009
No error on pager..thank you Mary for getting this info out into the world for all to see...I hurt so for this family. Hopefully justice will prevail...and not be a shodow of a doubt left of the guilty person who did this.....