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Palestinian Peace Effort flawed and a Red Herring
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by tikun | November 27, 2009 at 11:07 am
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For the longest time I have earnestly suggested that the real issue that has kept the Palestinian Authority from agreeing to any peace accord with Israel lies in its inability to overcome their desire for the entire land from the river to the sea to be a Palestinian State.
Even today after the Israeli Prime minister has put a halt for 10 months to any further building in the Israeli communities over the so-called "green-line", there has been a rejection by the PA. leadership. The catch -22 is the unwillingness to give up their dream of the Jewish State being eliminated .
Therefore, in order to begin sitting down with the Israelis in a serious discussion about a two State solution Abbas must recognize Israel as a Jewish State. This at the moment is an impossible task. Once this is accepted by the PA, Fatah organization's quest for all of the land will be null and void. Their charter will then be seen as a surrender and that prospect is still too much for the "old" leadership to bare.
Today, the economic situation and cooperation between both sides has been remarkable and exciting to witness. Something Israel has promoted for a long time. Prosperity rings true for both sides. The people directly benefit despite the leadership and it is heavily supported by many of the grassroots organizations in the West Bank and Israel.
In the meantime, today's editorial in the Jerusalem Post confirms and supports my contention that until the PA accepts the legitimacy of Israel as a State of the Jewish People there will be no progress toward a two state solution.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's unprecedented moratorium is both substantive and symbolic - the appropriate response to a Palestinian settlement freeze demand that is both emblematic and a red-herring.
THE DISPUTE between Palestinians and Israelis is not about settlements. It hinges on whether the Arabs are willing to recognize the legitimacy of Israel as the state of the Jewish people within any boundaries. Some find it convenient to imagine that the clash between the Zionist and Arab causes has transitioned to a non-zero sum game. That is hardly the dominant view in Israel.
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at 20:51 on November 27th, 2009
In an interview last week conducted by "der Spigel #44" with Tony Blair about this issue he blamed Israel of a lack of good will and to undermine all peace efforts. As the official envoy to the Middle east he was rather frustrate with Israel more so then with the Palestinian.And yes the settlements are an important part of the dispute.
at 19:23 on November 27th, 2009
Seeing the Palestinians recognize Israel's sovereignty would be a dream come true for millions. It is doubtful if the Palestinian's puppet masters will ever allow that to happen.
at 19:37 on November 27th, 2009
Israel continues to steal land from ordinary Palestinians. Jewish settlers treat the indigenous population like animals, the recent case of a nine year old boy rammed out of the road by a settlers truck, is evidence of the contempt, felt towards Palestinians by right wing zionists
at 10:35 on November 28th, 2009
I think that you have been reading a bit too many left wing news items. While there has been some tension between a few Israelis living near Palestinians villages that have caused violence they have been few and far between.
As far as animals are concerned, sorry but that is just a silly and angry statement that is just foolishness and nonsense.
They might be right-wing but everyone by its nature of living in Eretz Yisrael: Israel is a Zionist. This word is usually used as a code word for Antisemitism by many. I am not for a second implying that you participate in that cause.
at 12:06 on December 1st, 2009
Pretty sure the story is true... important not to forget the many orthodox Jews that are "anti zionist".
at 01:11 on December 2nd, 2009
Just a comment for the purpose of accuracy. There are very FEW orthodox that are anti zionist. Actually compared the the millions that identify as such only a small % see themselves as anti. They are stuck in a "time warp" as such regarding a literal understanding of events.
at 02:32 on December 2nd, 2009
And they mostly live in historical Palestine, they were also against the creation of the state of Israel from the beginning
at 07:35 on December 2nd, 2009
Some were but it is a bit more complex then you make it out to be. This is a whole different discussion.
at 20:15 on November 27th, 2009
I wonder why it is that none of the Arab and/or Muslim nations invite the Palestinians to come settle in their lands, their countries? Why have none offered a home to these people? They are, after all, muslims - brothers as it were. Where is the famous arab hospitality?
Why are only the Jews asked/told that they must make way for the Palestinians? Why not the Syrians, or the Jordanians?
A reasonable person might expect that the Palestinians would be welcomed to new homes, with like minded brothers of their religion. Instead they are armed and goaded into war and terrorism. Why? Why that way from the religion of peace?
at 02:40 on November 28th, 2009
So, you are saying they should allow themselves to be forced from their homes and give up land that they have been farming for centuries ?
at 03:38 on November 28th, 2009
That was neither said nor implied.
Did raise the question of why those that claim they care about the Palestinians, those that control them through arms and money, don't do something to alleviate the problem.
Instead, they goad them to war, fill their larders with arms and ammunition, and speak loudly and often of the need to erase the Jewish nation.
Is there a single nation, other than Israel, that seeks to abide by UN Resolution 181? A single muslim country that will publicly ask or insist that the Palestinians renounce violence?
at 08:29 on November 28th, 2009
Though shalt not steal is older than that resolution ! Perhaps America should stop arming Israel as well !
at 09:31 on November 28th, 2009
Agreed!
The USA does support UN Resolution 181, and has worked towards compliance with that Resolution from Palestinians and Arab nations. It is the lack of compliance by the Palestinians and muslim nations that force Israel to defend itself, hence the need for arms.
Trust me when i say the Jews are familiar with the law you quote. They carried the tablets, remember?
at 10:26 on November 28th, 2009
And the resolutions demanding the return of stolen land ? The "Jewish" religion of Moses is not the same as the religion practiced today. Some practice it more closely than others, Islam is closer.
at 10:40 on November 28th, 2009
Sputnic,
No stolen land. Sorry but it is a myth. As far as Jews and Judaism as a religion, I am afraid you just are not informed enough nor is it really an issue regarding the present state of the Jews living in their homeland.
at 12:11 on November 28th, 2009
So... is the land borrowed then ? Or are you saying that they had no right to it in the beginning ? Do you follow the religion of Moses ?
at 10:49 on November 28th, 2009
What part of Resolution 181 isn't understood here? Implementation of the Resolution - by ALL parties - would assure the return of the land to the Palestinians, would it not?
Have never, anywhere, seen that as the stumbling block. Rather, it is the refusal of the Palestinians, and muslim countries, to recognize Israel as a sovereign state, and to accept their right to exist as a nation.
Has that recognition been given by the Palestinians? Have any Arab nations accepted Resolution 181? Have they in fact practiced peace with the Jews that live in Israel - except under the threat of war?
Is that the example of the religion of peace? The one that practices the "true" religion?
at 10:41 on November 28th, 2009
What part of Resolution 181 isn't understood here? Implementation of the Resolution - by ALL parties - would assure the return of the land to the Palestinians, would it not.
Have never, anywhere, seen that as the stumbling block. Rather, it is the refusal of the Palestinians, and muslim countries, to recognize Israel as a sovereign state, and to accept their right to exist as a nation.
Has that recognition been given by the Palestinians? Have any Arab nations accepted Resolution 181? Have they in fact practiced peace with the Jews that live in Israel - except under the threat of war?
Is that the example of the religion of peace? The one that practices the "true" religion?
at 12:17 on November 28th, 2009
Not recognising Israel could be out of loyalty to Abraham, whose descendants were promised the land forever, so long as they followed the laws given to Moses, and then accepted the messenger from among the brothers that he spoke of. Has the Jewish messiah come yet ? No, then why is there Israel ?
at 21:50 on November 28th, 2009
rng,
I think all the condemnations say less about Israel and more about the make up of the UN and their hypocrisy.
at 01:06 on November 29th, 2009
No, you dont
at 07:54 on November 29th, 2009
That may well be? But the votes in the UN are stacked against Israel. We really need to be fair about this fact. I am only addressing the automatic rejection of any possible fair hearing in the General Assembly. In fact, just recently Iran just offered two small Pacific Islands, very poor, tens of millions of dollars if they would vote against Israel. They normally support Israel in the GA. However, they have not after receiving payments(bribe) from Iran. I do not know what to make of all this really. It just doesn't give much serious credence to the whole "United Nations" apparatus.
aslo rng, the blame game is old stuff and really doesnt affect any outcome today. He/said-She said is a tiring useless game. It is a drum beat that is just heard outside this arena. Some of the suggestions I raised above were truly honest perceptions of the reality we face here regardless of right or wrong. We have moved way passed that stage by all parties in the region. More often the outside propaganda pro and con only delays progress as the participants play to the outside crowd and not to each other.
at 12:54 on November 29th, 2009
Hi rng,
Regarding the "settlements": Technically according to a treaty with the US years ago and actually still in force these settlements are not illegal. As a result the UN also technically does not state that they are illegal. I only point this out in fact, not that it is relevant for the purpose of this discussion. I can present the information in its entirety if so desired. But I really must say that it does not make a difference regarding the reality on the ground at this moment.
I also have recent pics from the West Bank Palestinian towns and from Gaza of the stores fully stocked with food, clothing and other goodies. I mention this only because of all the spin to the contrary even at this moment. The fact is hundreds of trucks have been entering Gaza though Israel in spite of Hamas and it terror activities. The economic cooperation between the Palestinian villages and towns in the "West Bank" have been thriving and the population there according to the most recent polls show a great desire for a peace settlement between both sides. Economics works.
All this is happening amongst the background that many NGO's are being strongly discredited as being not non-political or non-partisan but part of a matrix of people that have strong feelings against Israel as a State in the region and tend to create false sense of reality about Israel and its activities in the region. Much of the money that has been funneled to them come from some EU States and the US. All this info has just surfaced in a serious way and I hope to report about this in much greater detail.