Palin and Muslim Fundamentalists: "Is there a difference?"

by Rhonda J Mangus | September 10, 2008 at 04:11 am
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"A theocrat is a theocrat, whether Muslim or Christian", according to an opinion piece authored by Juan Cole, salon.com, who poses the question, "What's the difference between Palin and Muslim fundamentalists?" Cole argues that Republican vice-presidential nominee, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is a theocrat; a religious extremist "a heartbeat away from the presidency.", and Republican presidential nominee, Senator John McCain's "animus against fundamentalist Muslims no longer looks consistent. It looks bigoted and invidious."

Theocrats confuse God's will with their own mortal policies. Just as Muslim fundamentalists believe that God has given them the vast oil and gas resources in their regions, so Palin asks church workers in Alaska to pray for a $30 billion pipeline in the state because "God's will has to get done." Likewise, Palin maintained that her task as governor would be impeded "if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God." Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei of Iran expresses much the same sentiment when he says "the only way to attain prosperity and progress is to rely on Islam."

Not only does Palin not believe global warming is "man-made," she favors massive new drilling to spew more carbon into the atmosphere. Both as a fatalist who has surrendered to God's inscrutable will and as a politician from an oil-rich region, she thereby echoes Saudi Arabia. Riyadh has been found to have exercised inappropriate influence in watering down a report in 2007 of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Neither Christians nor Muslims necessarily share the beliefs detailed above. Many believers in both traditions uphold freedom of speech and the press. Indeed, in a recent poll, over 90 percent of Egyptians and Iranians said that they would build freedom of expression into any constitution they designed. Many believers find ways of reconciling the scientific theory of evolution with faith in God, not finding it necessary to believe that the world was created suddenly only 6,000 ago. Some medieval Muslim thinkers asserted that the world had existed from eternity, and others spoke of cycles of hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Mystical Muslim poets spoke of humankind traversing the stages of mineral, plant and animal. Modern Islamic fundamentalists have attempted to narrow this great, diverse tradition.

The classical Islamic legal tradition generally permitted, while frowning on, contraception and abortion, and complete opposition to them is mostly a feature of modern fundamentalist thinking. Many believers in both Islam and Christianity would see it as hubris to tie God to specific government policies or to a particular political party. As for global warming, green theology, in which Christians and Muslims appeal to Scripture in fighting global warming, is an increasing tendency in both traditions.

Palin has a right to her religious beliefs, as do fundamentalist Muslims who agree with her on so many issues of social policy. None of them has a right, however, to impose their beliefs on others by capturing and deploying the executive power of the state. The most noxious belief that Palin shares with Muslim fundamentalists is her conviction that faith is not a private affair of individuals but rather a moral imperative that believers should import into statecraft wherever they have the opportunity to do so. That is the point of her pledge to shape the judiciary. Such a theocratic impulse is incompatible with the Founding Fathers' commitment to tolerance and democracy, which is why they forbade the government to "establish" or officially support any particular religion or denomination.

McCain once excoriated the Rev. Jerry Falwell and his ilk as "agents of intolerance." That he took such a position gave his opposition to similar intolerance in Islam credibility. In light of his more recent disgraceful kowtowing to the Christian right, McCain's animus against fundamentalist Muslims no longer looks consistent. It looks bigoted and invidious. You can't say you are waging a war on religious extremism if you are trying to put a religious extremist a heartbeat away from the presidency.



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Barry Artiste
Barry Artiste
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at 04:48 on September 10th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Barry, I think it is a very compelling and enlightening opinion/argument. Thanks so much for reading and for the Flag.

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Rhonda J Mangus

moonwolf, thank you for reading, commenting, and the Flag. Let's hope not! Personally, I hold to the separation of powers between church and government. I also hold concerns for any extremist thinking for the reason that I think it is clearly and seriously lacking in critical, objective, and/or logical thought; the forms of thinking I think necessary to run any country successfully.

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Fairbanks

Exalted language aside, Gov Palin is also a rocket scientist and brain surgeon when she isn't preparing her Doctoral dissertation on theocracy.  On weekends she is a commercial fisherman.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Thank you for sharing, Fairbanks.

master_jim2008
master_jim2008
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at 09:02 on September 10th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Not only a holy war, but Cheney is already stiring the pot with Russia and Iran, so....we for sure will be in a world of hurt if McSame and Palin get in, because McCain won't last and we sure don't want Palin running the country further into the ground than even McCain would

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Rhonda J Mangus

Thank you for your comments and the Flag, master_jim.

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World_Groove

Needs Opinion flag if highlighting an opinion piece.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Thank you, World_groove. I will do some re-phrasing, change the title, and add an Opinion tag. I think this piece can also be considered a well-written, clearly-documented comparison between Governor Palin's 'Christianity' and 'Muslim Fundamentalism' that is thought-provoking to say the least. Thanks again.

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World_Groove

=-)

amyjudd
amyjudd
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at 12:58 on September 10th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Good find Rhonda!

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Rhonda J Mangus

Amy, I'm glad you like the story. Thanks for commenting and the Flag.

SOLARLIFE
SOLARLIFE
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at 13:29 on September 10th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. ...praying for a gas pipeline in Alaska, only pigs with lipstick would do this, ha ha ha.

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Rhonda J Mangus

SOLARLIFE, that's quite a comment:)! Thank you for reading and the Flag.

Criticom
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at 16:18 on September 10th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Thank you, Criticom.

Wino
Wino
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at 13:12 on September 12th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Palin is bringing all the fundamentalists out to the polls for McCain.  Too bad for him they all want him dead and her in the oval office.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Wino, thank you for your comments and the Flags.

Emilio Lizardo
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at 13:35 on September 12th, 2008

Not that I agree at all with Mr. Kay's politics, but this editorial he wrote back in 2003 seems to be relevant to the discussion at hand ...

WHY WE HATE MUSLIMS

GREG KAY

Why do we 'Christians' dislike Muslims so much? Could it be because Muslims are a reminder of from where we have fallen, and that makes us uncomfortable?

One can see, without too much effort, by simply reading the writings, letters, and often even military dispatches of our ancestors like Washington, Davis, Jackson, and Lee, that the whole attitude surrounding religion has changed radically for the Christian since the late 1800's. At that time, as well as before, people's lives centered around their religion. It was the single overwhelming force in their lives. God was the center of their universe, and everything else was made subservient to that view. They were literalists; God said it, therefore that settled it - end of story.

Today, instead of our lives revolving around religion as it did for our ancestors, religion revolves around our lives. We have displaced God from the center of the universe, until He is just another satellite revolving around us, along with family, job, and entertainment.

The Christian should not hate the Muslim, but should look at him with disgust; not disgust at the Muslim, but disgust at himself, that a poor, ignorant heathen better understands the nature of faith and man's relationship with the Supreme Being than he does!


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World_Groove

Nice bit of writing regardless. 


I always wondered what happened to Grizzly Adams !


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Emilio Lizardo

It's different, World_Groove ... I ended up on this guy's site after diving down a Civil War rabbit-hole ...

It just gets me to thinking that McCain is actually going after this type of voting block by choosing Palin as a running mate, whose main qualification as a vote magnet, besides the obvious physical package and all that implies, is her avowed status as a devout Christian Fundamentalist ...

It's like this campaign has become a seminar on the total irrelevancy of party issues, one that now deals in terms of the lowest common denominators of what definately seems to be a very befuddled American electorate ...

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Rhonda J Mangus

Emilio, thank you for reading this story, for adding Kay's opinion, and for the Flag.

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mr204

Mr. Juan Cole. Let me educate you on the differences between a Christian fundamentalist and a Muslim fundamentalist, having had the latter up in my face while living in India (surviving the Muslim riots of W. Bengal) and traveling through Pakistan, and the former while here in America. I will preface this by saying that I find most Christians supremely annoying.

When a Christian fundamentalist doesn't like something, they 1) stage public protests, sometimes obnoxious public protests 2) sue somebody 3) try to get legislation passed that will make people do what they want them to do and, 4) try to get one of their own voted into office or on a court bench. 

When a Muslim fundamentalist doesn't like something, they 1) cut off one of your appendages like say, your head 2) stone you to death and, 3) destroy you with whatever weapon is around including nukes if they ever get their hands on one.

Christian fundamentalism is a culture of life that I will acknowledge but never subscribe to. Muslim fundamentalism is a culture of death. Period.

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World_Groove

never forget the Spanish Inquisition.... ... .. .Or Salem .... ... .. .Christians have had their fair share of oopsies in the past

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Rhonda J Mangus

And I think it very interesting how people forget, World_Groove. Thanks again for commenting.

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René

More examples of the Palin Derangement Syndrome.

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Rhonda J Mangus

Hi Rene! Can I assume that you mean "Palin Derangement Syndrome" is the same as the "Bush Derangement Syndrome"?

gerrypopplestone
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at 05:51 on September 13th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. A good post, Rhonda.  Its ironic that in the US there is a separation of powers between state and church.  Yet would be presidents have to claim devout christian credentials!  Here, there is no separation:  bishops get a seat in the House of Lords!! Can you believe it!  But in politics it is not very cool to be an open religious believer! As Tony Blair's press spokesperson said:  We don't do religion!

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Rhonda J Mangus

gerrypopplestone, nothing surprises me anymore:)! Thank you for reading, commenting, and the Flag.

mchawk
mchawk
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at 07:02 on September 13th, 2008

Rhonda J Mangus, I like this story. It's good stuff.

When did America become so fundamentalist and divided?  How can a nation that was founded in The Enlightnement have fallen so far from its founding principles?

The hypocracy of these people astounds me - praying for money - oh, please!

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