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Palin's America-hating pals - "I won’t be buried under their (U.S.A.) damn flag!"
UPDATE - The default video for this story is an in-depth report done by CNN on Sarah Palin's extremist connection. You have got to wonder how much of this America hate speech molds her thinking and how her associates who utter that speech mold her actions.
McCain finally was pushed into saying his Ayers charges to Obama's face. It was a sorry job, although he did not go so far as his running mate to say Obama was "palling around with terrorists".
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So, Sarah Palin was not "really" a member of the Alaska Independence Party, she says. Her husband was. So, she just was sleeping with the enemy.
"Enemy?" you ask.
Yep, enemy, I answer.
How else can you explain these words from the founder of the AIP?
“The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won’t be buried under their damn flag! I’ll be buried in Dawson, and when Alaska is an independent nation, they can bring my bones home.”
[emphasis added]
AIP founder Joe Vogler was murdered in 1993 when a plastic explosives buy went bad.
You can get an even better idea from "Mudflats", an Alaskan political blog with an insight into the doings of the upper one that is way beyond the understanding of us in the lower 48. While a large part of the latest Mudflats AIP post is excerpted below, the entire post - indeed, the entire blog - is worth a read. The post is in reaction to the McCain-Palin egregious and untrue attacks on Barack Obama.
Strangely, in light of this new patriotic furor, the following video [Note: This is the group meeting video.] has not gained much traction in this election. It surfaced some time ago, and I’ve posted it here before, but its worthy of another look. This is a meeting of the Alaskan Independence Party. The speaker is Vice Chairman of the AIP, Dexter Clark. A partial transcript is below. It’s worth watching in full.
The Alaskan Independence Party believes that Alaska may have become a state against its will. Anyone in the party today, is likely there because they think Alaska would do just fine without the rest of the country being attached to it. The image, on most maps, of Alaska detached from the rest of the country in its own little box works for them just fine.
They don’t like the way the statehood vote was worded, and Clark explains why.
The basic argument of the Alaskan Independence Party has always been the number one plank in our platform - the question of our vote to become a state. So…the most blaring disparity in that vote was the definition of an eligible voter. Among those qualified to cast a ballot were 41,000 American soldiers and 36,000 dependents. Now, to the native population of Alaska, to me, these were occupation troops! And they were made eligible and, in fact encouraged to vote. There were educational meetings held on the military bases. I can’t imagine them telling anyone that anything but that statehood would be very good for the military - in fact they still have 6, 7 big bases and numerous smaller holdings in the state. Statehood would be good for the military. Now can you imagine the international uproar if American troops had all went and got their purple fingers in Iraq?
After Clark’s discussion of the American ‘occupying troops’ getting the right to vote on Alaska statehood, he goes on to say that Alaskans should have been able to vote to remain a territory, become a commonwealth, become a state or become an independent nation. In reality, voters were only given the option: Statehood? Yes or No.
Now, we get to the interesting part, just before 6:00 on the video.
“Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There’s a joke, she’s a pretty good looking gal, there’s a joke goes around we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor. (laughter) And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town — that was a non-partisan job. But to get along and go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.“
What Clark is saying here, is that Palin’s philosophical loyalties lie with the Alaska Independence Party, but in order to get elected, she had to distance herself from the AIP and pretend to be a Republican, because that was the only way for her to get elected. But not to worry, Clark reassures those in attendance, her heart is still with us at the AIP, and her sympathies are with our agenda, namely, Alaskan ndependence.
He goes on:
If there is ever a time that is right for change, this is it. [snip] The pitfalls of an organized political party - you don’t have any control over who joins that party. They put the X next to it on the registration form, and if they join the — go into the primary, and win that primary, they’re your candidate, like it or not. I think Ron Paul has kind of proven that. He’s a dyed -in-the-wool Libertarian. He came to Alaska and spoke as a Libertarian. And he put the Republican label on to get elected. That’s all there is to it. And any one of your organizations should be using that same tactic to infiltrate.
Palin claims to have been a member of the Republican Party since 1982. Clark is telling us that Palin ‘marked the Republican box”, but she isn’t one. He loves the fact that she got elected. He’s already dreaming about ripping one of those stars off the flag. And though Sarah Palin’s membership is not documented officially, there is no dispute that Todd Palin was a card-carrying member of the AIP as recently as 2002 when his wife was the mayor of Wasilla. After that, he decided to change his registration to “Unaffiliated.”
How does the rest of the country feel about the concept of Alaska secession, especially considering the strategic importance of the oil reserves in Alaska of which Governor Palin is so fond of reminding us? Works well for the nation of Alaska, but not so well for the truncated version of the United States of America it leaves behind.
And finally, here’s the quote of the day from AIP founder Joe Vogler.
“The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won’t be buried under their damn flag! I’ll be buried in Dawson, and when Alaska is an independent nation, they can bring my bones home.”
Reverend Wright suddenly sounds stunningly patriotic.
Sarah Palin, meanwhile, is saying that the fact that Barack Obama served on the same non-profit board as Bill Ayers a Weather Underground member 40 years ago, “is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.” She continued, “This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America,” Palin said.
Here’s Palin addressing last year’s Alaska Independence Party’s convention.
So, how does Sarah Palin “see Ameirca?” Does she see it as “so imperfect” that one of its 50 states needs to vote on whether it wants to secede from the Union? Should a political party in this state “target its own country,” and if successful, devastate energy reserves, and compromise the national security of the rest of the nation by taking its oil, and leaving? Maybe, maybe not. But you just watched her tell the group whose purpose it is to vote on that issue to “keep up the good work.”
If Senator Obama had made such an address to an Illinois secessionist party, or any other group who wanted to make off with 13% of the nations oil supply, what would be said about his patriotism?
So, we have the question; do we know who is the real Sarah Palin?
Obviously, we do not.
Also, as I predict you will see, facts will not stop the McCain-Palin from spreading lies about Obama.
After all, if "Songbird" McCain" does not have the integrity to tell the truth, why should we expect it of his followers? So, an eight-year-old Obama idolized the bomber while McCain was giving away secrets to the enemy. See? Truth does not matter.
Not only does McCain not have the honor to tell the truth, he doesn't have the courage to make the charges to Obama's face. We don't need another dishonorable coward in the White House. The last two terms have been enough.
Also, please check out Karen Hatter's post about Palin's link with "Black Helicopter Steve" in Wasilla and other Alaska radicals.
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Most RecentMost Recommended Comments (19)
at 17:56 on October 8th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 18:34 on October 8th, 2008
Big whoop. There's also the Conch Republic in FL--although that's a been more "fun."
And there's a secession movement in CA.
This attempt to divert attention from Obama's long-term ties to real terrorist Bill Ayers doesn't quite work. It's kinda like Obama's buddies @ ACORN fiddling the voter registration books and voting the ineligible--more of the same actions, but more people are catching on as the weeks go on.
at 05:19 on October 9th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's great stuff.
at 06:43 on October 9th, 2008
Regarding this story, there must be an unknown criterion that doesn't make the Palin family's involvement with this individual and his organization an un-American act.
Involvement with a group seeking secession from the United States, paired with the beliefs expressed by the group's founder, obviously is un-American.
Will the mainstream media pick up this story?
at 08:42 on October 9th, 2008
I knew Joe. He was my next-door neighbor. He was a lawyer among other things. I have been in his home, in his living room. He was a true patriot, an American at heart.
at 09:44 on October 9th, 2008
Ok lets see Palin might have a friend who doesn't want to be buried under the American flag. Obama has friends who bomb the Pentagon, New york Police headquarters. I wonder which is the better friend to have during an election.
at 10:34 on October 9th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff. Hopefully the main stream media will pick up on this.
at 12:53 on October 9th, 2008
On a list of his top 100 campaign contributors, Senator McCain lists Leonore Annenberg, whose husband's foundation funded the Annenberg Challenge, where William Ayers and Senator Obama sat as board members.
How many degrees of separation are required to remove Senator McCain from being linked to an individual, painted by the McCain-Palin campaign as un-American?
From the above linked article:
"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous," Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said. "There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."
at 20:19 on October 9th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff.
Skeletons I'm tellin ya.....more than in a medical school lab
at 02:26 on October 18th, 2008
Thanks for a more detailed coverage of the associations of the Palin's with the AIP. I am amazed she has been able to sidestep any real coverage on this issue, having given opening remarks at one of their conventions. There is nothing wrong with meeting with groups who have extreme views, in-depth understanding is necessary, but she seems to go wherever the wind blows to shore up her popularity and increase her power.
at 08:52 on October 18th, 2008
Karen Hatter and Dunkelberg,
Nice try fishing for garbage. The truth seems to be something of no interest and your need to bait and switch. Obama may get elected president but god help us when his radical left-wing buddies start putting a sock in every mouth that dissents. Socialism didn't work globally and will not work in America. Redistribution of wealth just for the hell of it or rather for votes is about the most cynical act to come out of this election period. Check out Obama's ditti with the housing in his former senate district and the monies that were handed out to crooks, Chicago style, as the housing for the poor collapses from bad materials mismangement, and graft.
at 09:04 on October 18th, 2008
AIP wanting Alaska to get the rest of the Statehood deal is extreme?
at 09:10 on October 18th, 2008
"No wonder Obama has chickened out of Town Hall debates against Republican John McCain, he cannot even answer a simple question from a 7 year old without stammering and answering the question miserably.
Barack Obama was at a packed high school gym in Elkhart, Ind when he was asked by a 7 year old girl, why do you want to be President of the United States? Obama’s answer defies description. Do you think that Obama would phrase his answer to the 7 year old in an uplifting fashion taking into account that the person asking the question was 7? NOPE! As Wizbang states, what a beautiful and uplifting message to tell a 7 year old child, America sucks, unless you elect me President. Obama answered the 7 year old her that America had gone downhill."
Read: Barack Obama tells 7 Year Old Girl ... "American is no longer what it once was ..."
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/08/barack-obama-tells-7-year-old-girl-%E2%80%9Camerica-is-no-longer-what-it-once-was%E2%80%9D/
Barack Obama is an incessant liar. His communist mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, is partly responsible for Obama's socialist "redistribution of wealth" repugnant ideology.
The Video that could cost Obama the election:
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=68
at 09:42 on October 18th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff. This makes for great reading. Those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I'm surprised that more background work was not done on SP before nominating her.
at 09:47 on October 18th, 2008
Barbara,
I think that goes for the Canadians as well. You don't get to vote in the States.
at 09:59 on October 18th, 2008
You can make anything you want out of the answer to the 7 yr old but the fact is that America HAS gone down hill and especially in the last 8 yrs of Bush mis-management. So spin it anyway you want, Obama is the clear choice for America
at 10:29 on October 18th, 2008
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at 10:10 on October 18th, 2008
We didn't know how she would do on the national stage, although we knew she would be okay. She has done astoundingly well, not a surprise since she has done well as Governor, but how quickly she got into it was not entirely expected.
at 07:17 on October 19th, 2008
There is a choice in American presidential race and some do not agree that Obama is the best candidate for the needs of America. Change is important but socialism is not the fix. Anyway, we do agree that the Bush 4 years have been a serious problem. If only a "clear choice" was obvious. A Democrat president and a Democratic Congress is scary and lends itself to the tyranny of the majority. That goes for the Republicans as well. Just remeber that a democratic majority is not neccessarily a peoples choice for their policies but rather a rejection of the Republican led Presidency.