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Precedence is Set for ARRESTING People Over Twitter Remarks.
by sara star | November 4, 2009 at 05:29 am
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Michael Wallschlaeger and a friend were arrested and charged by the FBI for allegedly directing protests at the Pittsburgh G20 Summit in September/09.
The FBI has accused a US citizen of using the Internet to organize protests at the September G20 Summit in Pittsburgh, setting a precedent of a social networking arrest.
In this day and age, you are either a user yourself, or you know someone who is addicted to either Facebook or Twitter or both. Social networking sites draw millions of hits every day. But how safe are you when you say or do something on the web?
You may think there are a limited number of things you can do on the Internet that could get you in trouble. But as it turns out, in the US, the list is growing almost every day. And one man in New York has found this out the hard way.
Michael says he has gone through hell for his political beliefs.
The whole idea of the G20 protests was an attempt to try to talk about those issues talk about the richest people in the world getting together making decisions for the 90% of us.
All charges have been dropped, proving there was no reason to warrant the arrest in the first place. This could even happen to journalists, too.
And although the charges against Michael and his friend were dropped later, a precedent for Internet arrests has been set for the first time in American history.
Here is what one thinks...
I believe Twiiter is an experiment, maybe in a couple of years the CIA will offer twits money to spy and list everything what goes on in your neighbourhoods and in your lifes without your consent...
...only CIA agents are allowed to use twitter to give FALSE information
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at 06:39 on November 4th, 2009
This is alarming.
at 07:38 on November 4th, 2009
Thank you for sharing and this is alarming. We should continue to struggle for Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, and Freedom of Expression even in the digital age.
at 07:46 on November 4th, 2009
The era of democracy is over.
at 08:08 on November 4th, 2009
My My!
So now everyone will need to get her/his tweet ratified by agencies before posting?! Hope I am not booked for this one! :(
at 08:33 on November 4th, 2009
If the protests he directed became violent, then there was a good reason to look at him and his "direction" of those protests to see if he was part of conspiracy to do violence.
I am guessing, but the twitter messages probably cleared his name because they had no directions for violence. If every time he sent a message, violence occurred, it does make him look responsible and he may in fact be responsible.
I wouldn't worry about Twitter anymore than anything else you use, such as the telephone, cell phone, or e-mail.
at 08:36 on November 4th, 2009
Absolutely Riddiculous.
at 08:46 on November 4th, 2009
wow, so when the Twitter users join and comply with all their personal information, their freedom of expression is compromised and subjected to prosecution.. no wonder Miley Cyrus quit Twitter..!
at 08:47 on November 4th, 2009
This reminds me of things like people getting fired for saying something about their job on Facebook.
Just because something is on the internet doesn't mean you can't be held accountable - it's not a free pass.
at 12:53 on November 4th, 2009
I know, we are gagged:)
On the bright side, there are gyms in jails, they have the internet, you get more nutritious food than in hospitals and you can get a law degree. They just haven't got enough room for us all. Never mind everyone being famous for 15 minutes, in 15 years time, everyone will have a taste of 'porridge'.
at 14:31 on November 4th, 2009
I agree Amy.
I just want to know that if I post the whereabouts of police officers on NP, will I get arrested too?
Oh please don't answer that....I know the answer. Some day......
at 09:46 on November 4th, 2009
What happened to America, the Land of the Free? Is this the change B.O. promised?
what kind of 'Hope' is this?
at 09:59 on November 4th, 2009
I agree with Roy on this.
If the intent is to organize to insight violence or treason, they leave themselves open for prosecution if they can be identified, which with the sofistication of tracking, it should be easily done even if they are anonymous.
All the digital media can be anonymous, and it can be used for stalking and other forms of conspiracy particularly on twitter that is a constant stream of information in real time.
at 10:37 on November 4th, 2009
Thanks.
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ranter22 (not verified)at 11:58 on November 4th, 2009
I suppose they will be putting together warrants for The North Korean leader, Qaddafi and Hugo Chavez as well. Not the Taliban, because they get droned to death. Possibly this order may be retroactive in content, so If anyone made any boo boos, there is still time to head for the hills! I may have said something good at some point and perhaps they will bring me a medal for patriotic bravery. Lets just say I research all my truths and only write stuff, that even if deemed nasty, they are at least verifiable.
at 12:32 on November 4th, 2009
Don't know why anyone is surprised about the government spying on the people. Bush/Cheney and their cohorts made it legal to spy on U.S. citizens without even a judge's ok. And Obama has not done anything to change that so far. At least to the best of my knowledge. So get used to it.
at 13:34 on November 4th, 2009
Yep merlingraycat . It is a good thing when the world is full of mentally deranged folks. Why not? We have stopped some very bad situations . You have a suggestion on how to catch people planning to do harm ? I don't mind if they listen. Obama has not for he stepped into big boys world and found out about all the horrible stuff and knows what we gotta do because we gotta!
I wish we could set a precedent for public vulgarity. People who talk ugly in front of children are slime balls and should have to do community service or something. Maybe we can film them and turn it in? LOL I am not about to ask someone bigger than me to shut their filthy mouth and take the chance of being knocked out.
at 12:56 on November 4th, 2009
I know i'm gunna dig out my tin foil hat. Call my buddy, Roz, put on some Captain Beefheart........and chill.
Does anyone know what the exact charges were?
Like "inciting to riot", or some such? Had to be for something, in order to get arrested.
As far as i know, anything put on the internet for viewing is public knowledge. If he said something that was considered grounds for arrest - in a public forum - i don't know what freedom of expression, free speech, a free press, or government spying has to do with it.
Not like you can stand on a soapbox and create a riot without you should get arrested.
at 13:35 on November 4th, 2009
Good question.
When does "freedom of speech" get turned into "inciting a riot", or are the lines blurred, giving officials free reign to do what they want, damn human rights.
The 18 page affidavit authorizing the arrest is sealed... and will be revealed Nov 23... maybe, stand by,
Source: friendsoftortuga.wordpress.com
I am not a lawyer, but here is what I could find....
Source: icl-fi.org
at 13:38 on November 4th, 2009
Sara - i have absolutely no idea why he was arrested. That is for the courts and lawyers to sort out. i make the asumption that they had - or thought they had - probable cause to arrest him.
The internet/Twitter thing is the point that torques my jaw. Just because it is Twitter, Or My SpaceBook.com, or Craigslist , that doesn't mean you can use it for illegal purposes.
Sure, a lot of kiddie porn types think different, and they go to jail when they get caught. And, yes, they have private accounts where they go to grab their milk and cookies. Still, they are breaking the law - that is the no-no.
Unless we want to create a different class for different types of internet crime, then we all have to abide by those laws - or face the consequences.
at 13:55 on November 4th, 2009
The law is the law, no matter where it is.
However, why keep the avidavit sealed? ?
at 13:34 on November 4th, 2009
Could have been the picture of Lenin.
Source: gothamist.com
at 13:40 on November 4th, 2009
Well, why didn't you say so?
Obviously, the pigs are wrong.
at 13:38 on November 4th, 2009
Sara, "two boxes of ammunition"? Liquid mercury? For what? Sounds as if someone meant to cause trouble.
at 14:27 on November 4th, 2009
Obviously planted, or misinformation....ha.
Seriously, not defending the guy, but he could have been an electrician. Or using mercury for his spy apparatus.
As far as ammo, doesn't every American have that? Right to bear arms?
Source: answers.yahoo.com
at 13:56 on November 4th, 2009
The District Attorney and his spokesperson were at pains to explain why the State would drop all charges against these dangerous twitterists and of course, refused to admit that these charges were unconstitutional and a heavy-handed attempt to scare anarchists and others from protesting in ways unsanctioned by the government. Instead, the prosecution says they decided that pursuing the charges “would be unwise” after consulting other law enforcement agencies and because of other pending investigations. The secret affidavit authorizing the arrests in Pennsylvania is set to become public on Nov. 23rd. examiner.com
It's a brave new world out there I don't condone inciting violence against the state or any one else. These two were accused of listening to police scanners (not a crime), and telling protesters where the police presence was. As far as I know, they were not inciting any violence. Who knows, it's all a state secret.
Remember the debate during the "Patriot Act" legislative process. If you've got nothing to hide, what are you afraid of was the rhetoric from the supporters. Well, this case is an illustration of what you've got to worry about. It is now permissible to arrest you under the pretense that you might be involved in illegal activity. Proof of illegal activity is a mere inconvenient legal formality that can be disregarded now. If you are "lucky" and get labeled an "enemy combatant" you can be held without charge, and indefinitely. No warrants, no probable cause and no due process under the new "rules." The State might have to go tell a super secret judge what's going on, but after the fact, not before.
9-11 changed all the notions we had as a society with regard to basic rights and freedom. I don't know how one saves the foundations of the nation by subverting the principles. If you think the sacrifice of civil liberties is worth the price of a false sense of safety, you've got no problem with this case. Otherwise, it's time for a reassessment of what you think you thought.
at 14:37 on November 4th, 2009
Proof of illegal activity is a mere inconvenient legal formality that can be disregarded now. If you are "lucky" and get labeled an "enemy combatant" you can be held without charge, and indefinitely. No warrants, no probable cause and no due process under the new "rules."
9-11 changed all the notions we had as a society with regard to basic rights and freedom.
I think you summed that up pretty well, that is the fear.
We will never know the whole story. No one does.
And take a look at the video. He just does not come across as a criminal!
at 02:18 on November 5th, 2009
Sorry I missed this earlier. Fascinating and worrying.