Radical extremists in Montana

by YankeeJim | June 14, 2011 at 03:07 am
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They apparently live in the Wild West for their freedom. They conjure up hatred for government. They develop a power base among like kinds. Eventually, something snaps. Add the ingredient of Marine Corps or Green Beret training and you have David Burgert.

'Armed and extremely dangerous' ex-militia leader hunted after Mont. shootout

David Burgert, a former Marine, previously told police 'he wasn't going to be taken down'

MISSOULA, Mont. — Federal and state agents searched a 30-square-mile swath of rugged Montana forest on Monday for a former militia leader following a shootout with sheriff's deputies, authorities said.

David Burgert, 47, exchanged gunfire with Missoula County sheriff's deputies along a logging trail Sunday after a slow-speed chase near Lolo, officials said. No one was hurt.

Burgert grabbed gear from his Jeep and fled on foot into the woods, Missoula County Undersheriff Mike Dominick said.

Known for his anti-government sentiments, Burgert previously told police "he wasn't going to be taken down like last time," Dominick said.

The former Marine may have planned the attack, Dominick told The Associated Press Monday. Officials believe he may have placed caches of food and weapons along his planned escape route.

Stolen rifles 
Authorities found ammunition packed inside the Jeep's engine compartment and in another vehicle associated with Burgert, as well as two stolen rifles and a magazine of handgun ammunition on the ground near where he fled, Dominick said.

"He was prepared for a confrontation," Dominick said. "It was not a high-speed chase, he drove purposely onto the logging road and he engaged the deputies with one to three shots."

He described Burgert as a survivalist who is no stranger to the backwoods and who may be in possession of a third vehicle, possibly a tan or red Jeep model.

Authorities seized two of three vehicles registered to Burgert, including the Jeep Cherokee loaded with rifles that he abandoned Sunday, but suspect he may have stashed another SUV in the Lolo National Forest, Dominick said.

"He is armed and extremely dangerous," Dominick told Reuters.

Tactical agents from the FBI and agents from U.S. Marshals Service, Missoula police, Missoula County sheriff's officers, as well as law officers from the U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management and the Montana National Guard were looking for Burgert in a rugged, sparsely populated area of the forest, Dominick said.”

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Karen Hatter
Feb. 8, 2002: David Burgert, leader of the militia-like Project 7, is arrested after an informant says the group is plotting to kill judges and police to start a revolution. Burgert is found with pipe bombs, 25,000 rounds of ammunition and "intel sheets" with personal information about law enforcement officers, their spouses and children.
 

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The 1

Guess he must be unhappy with the current political environment in D.C.

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"thirty-aught-six"

No one was hurt in a shoot out during a slow-speed chase. People of Montana must feel secure with that level of inept local and Federal talent watching their back. It's no wonder people like Burgert want to shoot them. Then again Herr Ober 'Bama isn't going to want good people observing the legal aspects of government while he institutes his one party system and legalizes the circumvention of Congress. With the urbanites totally supportive of Obama's fascistic goals the rural militants might be America's last hope for preserving democracy. 

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YankeeJim

You must be stuck on the Military Channel. Too much WWII.

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Karen Hatter

Jim, as in this fellow's case, most survivalists/anti government types are making ready for a war with nearly everyone, with no one other than those of like minds being exempt from their wrath.


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Karen Hatter
In April, then FBI Special Agent in Charge James McTighe, who led the FBI's Salt Lake City office overseeing Montana, Idaho and Utah, told Montana's KRTV that domestic terrorism is a big concern in the state.

"Some of the groups in the state of Montana espouse violent overthrow of the government. I don't have any that I would name right now, just suffice it to say that it is a matter of keen interest to us," McTighe said at the time. "I think we have a good understanding from an international terrorist perspective of what the threats are in the state of Montana. I wouldn't equate them to what the threat would be, for example, in New York City, or Los Angeles, or Washington, D.C."

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Karen Hatter

Fascism is most evident among the Republican Party and those that represent their ideology as they seek ways to impose their will completely upon everyone not in sync with their vision for taking America backwards.

The best known sector of the hard right--dogmatic religious movements--is often called the "Religious Right" It substantially dominates the Republican Party in at least 10 (and perhaps as many as 30) of the 50 states. As part of an aggressive grassroots campaign, these groups have targeted electoral races from school boards to state legislatures to campaigns for the US Senate and House of Representatives. They helped elect dozens of hardline ultraconservatives to the House of Representatives in 1994. This successful social movement politically mobilizes a traditionalist mass base from a growing pious constituency of evangelical, fundamentalist, charismatic, pentacostal, and orthodox churchgoers. 

The goal of many leaders of this ultraconservative religious movement is imposing a narrow theological agenda on secular society. The predominantly Christian leadership envisions a religiously-based authoritarian society; therefore we prefer to describe this movement as the "theocratic right." A theocrat is someone who supports a form of government where the actions of leaders are seen as sanctioned by God--where the leaders claim they are carrying out God's will. The central threat to democracy posed by the theocratic right is not that its leaders are religious, or fundamentalist, or right wing--but that they justify their political, legislative, and regulatory agenda as fulfilling God's plan.

Along with the theocratic right, two other hard right political movements pose a grave threat to democracy: regressive populism, typified by diverse groups ranging from members of the John Birch Society out to members of the patriot and armed militia movements; and White racial nationalism, promoted by Pat Buchanan and his shadow, David Duke of Louisiana.

The theocratic right, regressive populism, and White racial nationalism make up a hard right political sector that is distinct from and sometimes in opposition to mainstream Republicanism and the internationalist wing of corporate conservatism.

Finally, there is the militant, overtly racist far right that includes the open White supremacists, Ku Klux Klan members, Christian Patriots, racist skinheads, neonazis, and right-wing revolutionaries. Although numerically smaller, the far right is a serious political factor in some rural areas, and its propaganda promoting violence reaches into major metropolitan centers where it encourages alienated young people to commit hate crimes against people of color, Jews, and gays and lesbians, among other targets. The electoral efforts of Buchanan and Duke serve as a bridge between the ultraconservative hard right and these far right movements. The armed milita movement is a confluence of regressive populism, White racial nationalism, and the racist and antisemitic far right.

All four of these hard right activist movements are antidemocratic in nature, promoting in various combinations and to varying degrees authoritarianism, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, nativism, racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, demagoguery, and scapegoating. Each wing of the antidemocratic right has a slightly different vision of the ideal nation.

 

Also at NowPublic:

Right Wing Extremist Tendencies: In the 1990s Forward to Today 

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"thirty-aught-six"

More intentional misdirection. Quoting from a "progressive" magazine article on "ultra-conservative movements" does not attribute fascism to Republicans in general. However, there is no denying the fascism of Obama's One Party System of complete circumnavigation of Congress in matters of  creating government institutions, enacting law/expanding the intent of laws, or creating positions of authority exempt from Congressional oversight.     

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Karen Hatter

When one examines the actions of those Republicans that have come into office since 2010, shell casing (not verified), it is indeed fascism that is their goal.

The first act of fascism and the very first order of business, presided over by the newly elected Republican controlled House of Representatives? Stripping voting rights from congressional delegates.

The surprise vote — the first of the new Congress — surrounded a provision of the Republicans’ proposed rules package that would prevent the six House delegates from presiding over, or voting as part of, the Committee of the Whole — a mechanism used to expedite legislation by effectively turning the entire chamber into a committee. 

Under the rules of the last Congress, the six delegates — representing the District of Columbia, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Northern Mariana Islands and the Virgin Islands — were allowed to cast votes and preside over the Committee of the Whole. The Republican rules proposal would strip that power.

Delegates may not vote when the House is in regular order.

What is most particularly worthy of note, the machinations emanating from the so called Religious Right.

The acts perpetrated by many within the Right Wing of the Republican Party speak for themselves.

Also at NowPublic:

My Interview with Religious Right Founder's Son, Frank Schaffer 

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"thirty-aught-six"

When two examine the actions of Obama and his "progressive" staffed office it is indeed fascism that is being instituted. We no longer need fear the ultra-conservative Republicans for something they never accomplished. We have Obama, and Obama has stolen a march on the ultra-conservative's plans for a fascist State by making it his reality. Fascism by Democrat. Welcome to "progressive" America. 

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Karen Hatter
The rate at which the Koch Industries funded Americans for Prosperity (AFP) churns out front groups to promote its right-wing corporate agenda sets the organization out among similar conservative “think tanks.” 


This week, AFP created their latest front group called “Patients United Now,” an entity set up to defeat health care reform. Patients United follows a familiar pattern AFP has used for their other front groups: create a new stand alone website, fill it with lines like “We are people just like you” to give the site a grassroots feel, and then use the new group to recruit supporters and run deceptive advertisementsattacking reform. This “astroturfing” model has been used by AFP to launch groups pushing distortions against other progressive priorities:

– The “Hot Air Tour” promoting global warming skepticism and attacking environmental regulations.
– “Free Our Energy,” a group promoting increased domestic drilling.
– The “Save My Ballot Tour,” a group that pays Joe the Plumber to travel around the country smearing the Employee Free Choice Act.
– “No Climate Tax,” a group dedicated to the defeat of Clean Energy Economy legislation.
– “No Stimulus,” a group launched to try to stop the passage of the Recovery Act.

Notably, AFP was also instrumental in orchestrating the anti-Obama, anti-tax tea party protests in April.

As long as corporate conservative Republicans are throwing their substantial money into the TEA Party apparatus, that is, herding most of those TEA Party adherents in the direction they wish to herd them while continuing to push Right Wing activities throughout the United States, with some measure of success occurring on local levels, as in trying to complicate student voters' ability to vote while they're away from home because they tend to vote for the Democratic Party, the old 'Don't look at what they're doing behind the curtain' routine won't work, shell casing (not verified). 

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"thirty-aught six"

"the old 'Don't look at what they're doing behind the curtain' routine won't work". Really! Because you are working it to no end where Obama is concerned. You intentionally mislead by interpreting everything as a Republican conspiracy.

Since when is challenging so called "reforms" a particular conservative or Tea Party characteristic. Oh right, we're not counting reforms put forth by Republicans that are challenged by Democrats.

Since when is challenging the hyped falsity of global warming and it's corresponding fear mongering become particularly conservative. Oh right. If you don't buy in lock, stock, and barrel you're a GW denier.

Since when has not wanting more taxes become a particularly conservative attribute. Well, more taxes on the rich. After all they have to pay for all these so called "progressive" reforms. Not the people who demand them as a moral right.

Since when has it only been conservatives trying to limit stimulus spending. Of course we all remember how much some Democrats were happy to have GW Bush bankrupt the treasury with bail outs as it went with their spend spend economics. Funny how that became all Bush's fault and Democrats had nothing to do with it.

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Karen Hatter

An example of the Republican Party's idea of reform: cutting funding for a nutrition program that aids low income women and their children and infants, with the program being called a " .... lower priority program ...." by the Republican controlled House of Representative's Appropriations Chairman Hal Rogers of Kentucky. Yet, the bill is maintaining funding for the National Arboretum's azalea collection.

House Republicans have been crowing that this bill cuts agriculture funding by nearly $3 billion from last year’s level, and is coming in $5 billion below President Obama’s 2012 budget request.

“This legislation reflects hard decisions to cut lower priority programs, reduce spending in programs that can be scaled back, and target funds where they are needed most so that our nation continues on the path to fiscal recovery,” said House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-KY). Evidently, the House GOP finds nutrition assistance for low-income women and their children to be a “lower priority program,” as the bill cuts the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) to such an extent that 325,000 to 475,000 currently eligible women and children will be denied help.

The bill also cuts funding for the CFTC, despite that agency’s new responsibilities to police derivatives and oil speculation under the Dodd-Frank financial reform law. However, among the GOP priorities in the bill are ensuring that the National Arboretum maintains its azalea collection and calling for regulators to not apply the Animal Welfare Act on movie sets.

  

Also included among GOP cuts:

-- $2 billion from job-training programs 

-- $1 billion from the National Institutes of Health 

-- $224 million from Amtrak 

-- $755 million from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

 

The majority of the Republican Party's reforms have been aimed at targeting those most in need, the poor, middle class citizens and programs that aid them, which, by the GOP's actions, has deemed are acceptable collateral damage on their demented quest to assure that only 'deserving' people, which must be those with the most money, should continue to live or survive.

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"thirty-aught-six"

You can cut and paste like no one else Karen. It's a shame independent thought and actually attempting to understand what's behind an opposing view isn't part of your intellectual process. If it were you would see that such programs are more than duplicated. They are quadruplicated and it is wasteful and the system needs refinement.

The Dodd/Frank Law is a farce and gives one more agency, in this case the Treasury Dept., an open agenda to set policy and make laws with out any Congressional oversight. The Bill needs to be looked at and adjusted to bring Congress in as the responsible partner and not some Czar named by Obama.

And please. They are not GOP cuts. The GOP are not cutting anything. The GOP cannot cut anything. More of the leftist propaganda as news/fact. Each budgetary item is debatable as to what priority it should have in this time of high economic recession and national debt. It's up to Obama to make the decisions. And he's chosen to spend spend spend. So once more there is no real or immediate threat from the Republican boogeyman. There will be no economic reform and we will sink deeper and ever deeper into debt. Your "progressive" policy makers at work. Enslaving the current unemployed worker to a life of poverty and the following generation as they are born.

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Karen Hatter

You are correct, shell casing (not verified). I should have written, referring to cuts, as ATTEMPTING to cut. 

But, as is the usual case in any discussion/discourse with you, you missed the point, that being that nearly all of the proposed cuts that the Republican Party members have been seeking are aimed at programs that will affect those in need disproportionately.

There is no duplication that provides the services of the nutrition program WIC. In this instance and in the case of many other programs, the GOP is attempting to advance a scorched earth policy in an effort to eliminate social safety nets in place for those in need.

It's too bad you suffer from whatever is your intellectual handicap when confronted by facts you wish not to acknowledge or see.


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"thirty-aught-six"

Oh your propaganda attempts are never lost on me child. Verifiable facts I can handle. Duplicitous propaganda to further a socialist big government agenda, portrayed as fact, has always been a stumbling block for me. There is WIC, SNAP, CSFP, CACFP, The National School Lunch Program, The School Breakfast Program, The Special Milk Program. That I know of.  That's more than four Federally sponsored WIC type programs. Now I don't know what State you live in but, I bet it also offers State sponsored WIC type programs like my State does. So once more your propaganda is refuted with plain and simple real world fact. 

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Karen Hatter

I am not a child, shell casing (not verified).  

School programs do not cover children under school age or infants. SNAP, the new name for the Food Stamp Program is not a nutrition program providing counseling for at risk children, infants or their mothers. CSFP is not available in all states. CACFP is for child care providers. The Special Milk Program provides milk for schools and childcare institutions. There's that pesky school thing that leaves out non school age children and not all children are in childcare.   

WIC is available in all 50 states.

Food, nutrition counseling, and access to health services are provided to low-income women, infants, and children under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children, popularly known as WIC.


WIC provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children who are found to be at nutritional risk.   State Contacts

Established as a pilot program in 1972 and made permanent in 1974, WIC is administered at the Federal level by the Food and Nutrition Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Formerly known as the Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children, WIC's name was changed under the Healthy Meals for Healthy Americans Act of 1994, in order to emphasize its role as a nutrition program.

Most State WIC programs provide vouchers that participants use at authorized food stores. A wide variety of State and local organizations cooperate in providing the food and health care benefits, and 46,000 merchants nationwide accept WIC vouchers.

WIC is effective in improving the health of pregnant women, new mothers, and their infants. A 1990 study showed that women who participated in the program during their pregnancies had lower Medicaid costs for themselves and their babies than did women who did not participate. WIC participation was also linked with longer gestation periods, higher birthweights and lower infant mortality. More information about How WIC Helps.

So, no, you didn't negate my point. 

The Republican Party only looks for waste within programs they have opposed for decades and at this point in time, they have seized upon what they view as an opportunity to let their constituents know how cut throat they will be if they get the chance to be let loose to make sure all those undeserving layabouts aren't suckling at the government teat.    

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"thirty-aught-six"

With all those services you socialist are either greedy or utterly incompetent to contribute to the needs of the children you chose to bring into the world. I suspect too much of both. Which is why the constant demand for government to take care of you. And the constant demand for others to pay your way in life.

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YankeeJim

If you cared about unwanted children or those for which parents can't properly care, support Planned Parenthood.

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Karen Hatter

I have advised you before, shell casing (not verified), regarding your continued habit of personal attack when you engage me. 

You are ignorant of any information regarding myself to make the presumptive leaps and assumptions you have taken in your effort to yet again disparage my character after you have exhausted all other attempts to defend your position in any discourse.   

Familiarize yourself with NowPublic's Code of Conduct. An exchange of ideas is welcome at this site. Ad hominem attacks on contributors with whom you disagree are not. 

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"thirty-aught-six"

Since you always post to me using the appellation "shell casing" you have only yourself to blame. I suggest you grow up and change your own behavior first. Doing that will negate any presumptive leaps in judgement of your character by others.  The usual two face behavior from you though. Running to the NP code of conduct when you are shown in your true light by your own actions. Hypocrite.

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Karen Hatter

You informed me your appellation meant shell casing when I asked why you referred to yourself as a bullet. So be it.

thirty aught six (not verified), your continued habit of a spiraling descent into pluming for ever more ways to call those with whom you disagree out of their name has resulted in my responding in kind on occasion upon provocation.

It is your behavior that has evidenced itself as immaturity by responding with personal attacks when you lose your way in attempting to communicate.

Emblematic of your true character, as I have stated previously on a number of occasions, when you experience inability to defend your articulated position on any given topic, you engage in personal attacks, while hiding behind a cloak of anonymity.


 




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"thirty-aught-six"

Blah blah blah. Yawn. What a tedious little ego you are. You're dishonest not only with yourself but with others, and  look to cast blame anywhere but upon yourself.

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YankeeJim

Back it up. Support with evidence.

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Karen Hatter

It was your contention, shell casing (not verified), that ....

" We no longer need fear the ultra-conservative Republicans for something they never accomplished"

.... to which my comment was meant to convey, in no shape form or fashion, can your statement be construed to be near the truth. 

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Karen Hatter

Some more info, Jim:

Missoula County Sheriff Carl Ibsen told KPAX.com that "it, for all the world, seems like he was prepared and perhaps trying to draw the officers in to a, lets call it an ambush situation, where he would have a distinct advantage on them."

"What we do know is, by his actions and by what transpired, it looks like he was trying to kill a couple of our deputies, and fortunately was unsuccessful," Ibsen said.

According to the Missoulian, police had pulled over Burgert last week for a moving violation, and he said "he wasn't going to be taken down like last time," and "it would take a SWAT team" to arrest him.

Burgert and other members of the Project 7 militia, which was named for the number 7 on the license plates of Flathead County, Montana, have had a slew of legal problems in the past.

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YankeeJim

Dick Cheney is still at large in Montana.

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Karen Hatter

(Cue ominous music.)

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ahulk ahulk

when i read the url for this article, i was mislead into thinking it was about the NAACP. 

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YankeeJim

Thanks for the verification that racism is alive in America.

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