The Ramblings of a Frustrated White Girl

Thanks for the comment.  I really appreciated and enjoyed hearing your remarks.

Thanks for the flag amyjudd.  This has definately been a stressful election.  The most stressful one I have ever experienced.  The GOP office hear was just vandelized with a brick thrown thru the window!

Thanks Tjackson : )

Excellent story, well written. I hope that whoever wins the election they will do more to unite us than drive us apart.

Don't sweat it, I'm a frustrated white man who is without means.

Please allow me to try to clarify a few things:

1. Rev. Wright is not running for President. Obama has disavowed him.

2. Slavery has left a continuing legacy, beginning with jim crow segregation, and now, still continuing, white flight and "code word" discrimination. Wealth can be passed on from generation to generation, but so can poverty, through continued discrimination, which I know still exists, even though I am a white man. I hear veiled and unveiled racism on a regular basis.

3. Rev. Wrights words may well be hate mongering, but again, he is not running for President, Obama is.  And his extremism is more than balanced by KKK type extremists on the ultra conservative side.

4. Not everyone considers you a racist if you don't like Obama because of his policies. I know I don't. And as I am not unique in the world, to say everyone... is an exxageration.

5. I am not voting for him because he is black. I believe he is the better candidate. A leader with hope and vision. To prove this point, I did not vote for Jessie Jackson, and I have never thought he was a great leader, stemming from the days when he had run ins with Dr. King, who WAS a great leader.Again, as I am not unique, there must be many others who are voting for Obama not because he is black, but because we consider him a good man. Don't lump all of us together who are voting for him. As you say, we don't know you, but you don't know us either.

6. You say you looked to strangers and Government for help... but now you don't want the government to help others. You want to decide how to help people with your money.  What if the government had not of helped YOU?

7.  I too, experienced reverse discrimination. But I realized that NOTHING I have ever experienced, comes near what blacks have gone through in this country not only in times passed... but every day still. I am not angry that I was reversely discriminated against. I am all for blacks given equal opportunity in this country... which is still not happening in this country because the government can not control what happens at the lowest level of commerce... where people give jobs to "who they know or who is like them" instead of to the best qualified.

8. You say there were no provisions for you because you were not a minority. I would not trade all the "provisions" in the world for my white skin. Not because I believe I am better than black skinned people, but because I have the smallest inkling of what they go through having that color. And it is not good.

9. You say you still are in the lower middle class. I believe it has been said it takes 3 generations to escape poverty. My grandfather was poor, my father was a little better off economically, and I am better off than him. But guess what: I am still lower middle class as well. Does that mean I have a bad life? No. 

10. It sounds like you are a good hearted person, but here, you repeat, you don't think the government should decide for you who to help, but again, you admitted the government helped you. So I repeat again... what if they hadn't helped you?

11. You repeat the above arguement again, but with a slight change, saying the govt. doesn't have the ability to spend your money better than you. But I am wondering if you have the ability to go into centers of poverty like inner cities or poor mining communities and reach those kinds of people. Isn't it true that you only have the ability to "give" to people near you? The government does indeed mispend a lot of money... but for the last 8 years that government has been controlled by Republicans, which you claim you are. It is not only Democrats who get "pork," as Sarah Palin proved with her bridge to nowhere, and free trips for her kids, etc.

12.   I don't think because you are white - which I am as well - that you don't care about people who aren't doing as well as you. But I do believe you are right, that you do not understand.

13. You never really said Why you are a Republican. The main thing you dwell on over and over is you feel frustrated by the "extremists" on the black side. But again, there are extremists on the white side as well, such as the KKK, and white extremists such as those lynched over 3,000 people less than a hundred years ago. You may feel frustrated, but I doubt you have ever felt the fear black people still feel even today... when they are pulled over by the police for "driving while black."

14. About reparations,  People have the idea it will be only white people paying reparations to black people. But it will be taxpayers paying it to black people if it comes. And black people pay taxes just like white people. So it will be black and white and Asian and Muslim and whatever else Americans paying reperations, not just white people.

And when and if it ever comes to that... even though I  never had slaves, and my direct ancestors never had any to my knowledge... I want to pay my share.

Because I can not imagine any horror on earth than the horror of  being stolen away from my country and family and enduring the "middle passage" only to be a slave the rest of my life... to people too lazy and to greedy to do their own work.

Or even worse... having my wife taken from me by force - OR MY CHILD - never to see them again..

You believe you are not responsible for slavery and you are right.

You believe you are not responsible for past segregation and you are right.

And only YOU know right now, this moment, what you really feel about blacks - and I am not talking about the black hate mongers - but the average black person, who pays his taxes, trys to keep a job and live within his/her means... just like you do.

Or how you feel about a particular black man who was given government help (like you were) and who developed leadership abilities that inspired people and gave them hope that they could have a better life and better country than what they have had for the last 8 Republican years.

If your conscience is clear about that... then consider your choices again... and vote for who you truly believe is the family man with family values in this race... and ask yourself is it really a man who dumped a loyal and devoted wife when she was (and still is) sick, to marry a beautiful and wealthy woman.

Or is it a man who still has the same wife, and who obviously loves his children.

That's the kind of man I want for President. And it doesn't bother me a bit... that this time, the man is black.

Will Bevis.   

On Nowpublic.com as StandUpToRacism.  

Katrina, Crack, Heroine, Prison, Aids, Poverty and Fear of police.  What reason does the average white person have to concern themselves with any of these things aside from liberal guilt?

Just for the record, I am also white.  To all of you posturing about how hard life is for us, remember this: life is suffering in the first place.  At least you have never had to prove your humanity to anyone.  At least police consider you innocent until proven guilty.  At least you can qualify for a business loan/mortgage that is not disproportionately higher in interest rates.  At least fathering an illegitimate white child has not provoked a media outrage for any candidate in the history of America.  At least people care when your children are missing.

This continual bashing of Rev. Wright is wholly unfounded. He does little more than address historical institutional Europocentric racism and bigotry and he does so intelligently and without malice. These illogical and repetative comparisions of Rev. Wright and his church to the Ku Klux Klan are ludicrous to say the least. Rev. Wright nor his church, (which is not entirely African by the way) does not, I repeat, does not, teach a racial superiorty theology. The World Church of the Creator and several other Southern Baptist churches however do as a matter of offical policy, yet are never called on their insistence that Jesus the Christ came in human form to bolster the White race and its will to dominate the entire world's population.

The Black church exists because the good White Christian people of the United States forcibly kept us out of their own churches. Black liberation theology exists because of the racism African people in the U.S. have had to deal with since the first African slaves arrived with Columbus' first voyage to the Americas. I remember clearly the moral support the United States government and theologians such as Jimmy Stewart and Jerry Falwell accorded Apartheid Southy Africa. Rev. Wright, a Marine and U.S. Navy verteran who served with distinction for this country and the rights of all Americans and his congregation opposed South Africa's racism when it was not popular even in the American African community to do so. His church has a consistent record of community service, elder support and small business promotion among the very people White racists keep saying should help themselves and stop asking White America for handouts. Rev. Wright's church has helped take more African families off state welfare and sent more young people to higher education per capita than most larger and better funded federal and state programmes have.

If this is anti-White racism then be fair and call the Chinese community racist against Whites as well for not allowing non-Chinese to participate in their cultural programmes. By this logic one could suppose that Greeks, Jews, Armenians, Roma, Filipinos, Catholilcs, Jesuits and other ethnic/religion minorities in the U.S. who run their own community programmes exclusively for their communities are just as biased and equally anti-White for their response to their institutional and tradtional exclusion from what is supposed to be a society for everyone. A society that has only become more inclusive because people fought to be included, not because the fairness existed innately.

Rev. Wright has never condemned White people as a race nor has he ever in print, speech or deed suggested that violence is the way to resist White racism and bigotry. He has condemned American imperialism, colonialism and White racism as sicknesses, which they are. As a theologian he is correct to condemn a nation that uses ethnic bias and violence in any form and for any reason. If America is killing Arab children to attain a political goal, as Sec. of State Madeleine Korbel Albright who served under Pres. Clinton has openly admitted to doing, (and has since apologised) for the U.S. role in killing more than 500.000 Iraqi children as a means of ousting Saddam Hussein, then morally Jehovah should damn the U.S. The Hussein government as corrupt as they were, (like say using U.S. supplied chemical weapons on their Indigenous populations and attacking Iran on U.S. orders) were rightfully derided by the world community, while Israel's genocide against Palestinians is hailed as "progress". This is pro-White racism at work and America is guilty of practising it, promoting it and of teaching it around the world.

America is guilty of supporting both of the regimes I mentioned above and this is far from a complete list. Any minister of the Christian gospel worth his or her salt that claims to be a follower of the ancient Palestinian Rabbi must condemn these acts. White Christian preachers spit hellfire and holy damnation about America all the time in regards to abortion, Homosexuals, race-mixing, civil rights and other religious thoughts that question the veracity of these baseless beliefs, i.e., atheists. Pastor John Hagee calls the Catholic Church the "Great Whore of the world" and claims that God sent Adolf Hitler to create the genocidal State of Isreal. Did not Jerry Falwell and Pat Roberson say that America deserved to be attacked on 911 due to its "liberalism"? Where was the White American outrage over Falwell blaming civil rights activists for the attacks? Virtually all of the debates I personally attended following his remarks centred on his statements towards feminists and gays, not his comments on African people demanding their constitutional rights.

Comparing This minister to the American KKK, (as opposed to the Filipino KKK, the nationalist resistance to American colonial imposition since the Filipino-American War) which exists for no other reason than to pursue a pro-European Christian agenda via the noose, the bomb and the gun, is more than unfair, it is dangerously and selectively supportive of White Power with a smile. If America was ever a truly fair nation and as colour-blind as its rhetoric vociferously suggests, there would be no Black theology because there would have been no need for it in the first place. But like the lunch counters north and south, the "Black Section" was somewhere near the back hidden from sight. And some of us got quite fed up with living in the shadow of White society after we have worked and died to help build this nation under a pressure no White man has had to deal with nor has been required to accept with visible gratitude. Deal with the reasons why we are at this juncture rather than pointing fingers at those who bravely point out this country's blatant contradictions.

To hell with White guilt, get to the root of why and the how will make itself manifest. It takes courage for a nation to admit to the darker aspects of its history, but It is possible. And it should not be left solely up to the victims to make the effort. We all need to ride this train.

Thanks for you well thought out response angryindian.  I am not sure if all of the comment was direct at what I wrote or a mixture of what I wrote and some of the comments.  I never compared Rev. Wright to the KKK so I am not sure if that was direct at me.  I don't claim to understand all the complexities of racism, slavery, Rev. Wrights teachings ect.  I was simply trying to express my frustrations over all the negativity going on all over TV, the internet, newspaper, conversations, ect.

Racial issues are such a sensitive area and it will never be healed until ALL people are able to share with one another how they feel without judgement or preconceived notions of how everyone should feel.  I was even called a racist just for writing about my frustrations.  As far as white guilt...Again I am not sure if you were refering to me or someone who  commented, or just on the topic in general.  I don't feel guilty... as I said - my family wasn't even in this country during slavery.  I do feel sad that this horrible event happened.  Part of my family was killed off during world war two, and the surviving members were pulled out of their homes and forced into work camps.  My grandma and grandpa met in a displacement camp and got married and then came to America, looking to start a new life.

Anyway - thanks for sharing your feelings. 

Rev. Wright isn't all black people, and I get tired of people mentioning him, but never once mentioning McCain's love of Hagee or the fact Palin's husband was a member of a political party that wanted to secede from the United States. That doesn't seem very patriotic to me.

I understand your family didn't own slaves, but I don't think most of us black people are thinking about slavery, we do however know there are vast discrepancies in the treatment of blacks in the county, and my parents vividly remember segregation, which more than likely your white family benefitted from. Racism didn't end and die with slavery and I wish more white people would be cognizant of that fact, and that the fact is racism still occurs today. The inequities of the justice system when it comes to whites and blacks is alarming, income discrepancies still exist.  I am 32, but yet was born six miles from a "sun-down" town.  I have been called the n-word from white people and people assume I am unmarried, have been on welfare or public assistance, and have children out of wedlock.  My family has had crosses burned on our lawn. I grew up hearing n-word jokes. I had white classmates whose parents wouldn't allow me in their homes, and this wasn't the 1950s, it was the 1980s.  Until ten years before my birth, it was illegal for me to be married to my husband in the state I live in.

I am college educated, and I didn't receive not one grant or scholarship based upon my color.  I received Sallie Mae loans and worked full time, just like you did. I hate that it is assumed if a black person got accepted to college it was because you took the place of some precious innocent white person with better grades.  I had an above average GPA and SAT score for my school, and it was overwhelmingly white, but I am the one who got in on a quota?  Why is it also that white people never get upset that rich people get into college like McCain and Bush, based upon legacy? Bush and McCain didn't have great grades, but yet they went to some of the best institutions in the nation.  My father didn't go to college with "black" scholarships or grants either, he went to an HBCU, and it is funny they have scholarships geared towards white students to encourage diversity, but white students, like white people in general typically want nothing to do with blacks because of perceived stereotypes, but those scholarships did increase the amount of whites going to the school my father attended.  My mother went to school on an academic scholarship and made the Dean's list every single semester she went to school, but I guess they curved up her grades in college so she could get those As right?

I've never been on welfare, and neither have my parents, they grew up poor.  My father had a mother who was divorced who worked three jobs to take care of her three kids and no child support, and she never once took public assistance.  My mother's parents had ten kids, and she didn't have running water until age 13, so they weren't getting all this free "black" government money you assume.  I find it funny you want to mention you are on welfare, but you now want others to suffer without it.  I find it really insulting that you reaped the benefits of something you don't want others to have. Per your argument, your mother should have worked more jobs instead of getting government money to make ends meet.  Not to mention the biggest benefactors of welfare isn't black people, but white women who are single mothers, like your own mother.

I didn't use you as a punching bag, I explained why your frustration as an "oppressed" white person is frustrating to me, as someone who isn't on welfare, who didn't get into college on a "quota" or college grants based upon color.  You stereotyped blacks throughout your whole post, it was a bit insulting to me as a black person.   You never once address that racism still exists in this country, you just wanted to say that blacks are whiners and complainers and to me that isn't a valid argument in my eyes as a black person. It also baffles me as to why you would be for a party that would be against your mother utilizing welfare.

In terms of blacks voting for Obama because he is black, that is complete BS.  Black people, regardless of the race of the candidate overwhelmingly vote Democratic.  If blacks voted purely upon race alone we would have seen more votes for Jesse Jackson in the 1980s and Alan Keyes back in 1996 and 2000. Historically from Reconstruction up until the New Deal, black people voted overwhelmingly republican. It wasn't until the mass exodus of white democrats to the republican party during the civil rights movement did you see a major shift in blacks voting democratic.  The reason many white democrats went republican was to uphold segregation under the guise of states rights. Retaliation for northern democrats supporting the Civil Rights Act of 1957.

And please be aware, there are lifelong democrats voting republican for the first time in their lives because they can't stand the concept of having a black president.  Racism isn't dead, and won't be for a long time.

I'm not really into the arguing thing.  The article is about me being stereotyped.  If you don't like my article you do not have to read it.  There was no intent to "insult" you.  Feel free to stay here and spread hate, argue, jump to the wrong conclusions or whatever you like.  I wish you well.

: )

The problem is you posted the article, you have to assume not everyone will agree with this.  This was on a public site.  I don't think I was spreading hate, I do however think you were spreading stereotypes and when faced with this, you assumed you were directly being attacked. This is why race relations are in the state that they are. 

If you think I spread hate or hate white people, that is a bit funny, considering my husband is probably the whitest white man on earth.

Do yourself a favor--- Stop GIVING 10% of your HARD EARNED money to these homeless grps, and charities.  MANY, HOMELESS & NEEDY DON'T APPRECIATE IT, AND IF YOU GIVE $1.00 THEY TURN AND DEMAND $10.00, WHILE THEY LISTEN TO IPODS, AND TALK ON CELL PHONES.

I USED TO VOLUNTEER IN A HOMELESS SHELTER, SERVING MEALS.  THEY WOULD DEMAND WHEAT TOAST INSTEAD OF WHITE, AND THE BACON EXTRA CRISPY, PLACED AWAY FROM THE OATMEAL.

Next,

Many of my coworkers are black and VERY OPENLY RACIST AGAINST WHITES.  NOTHING IS DONE.  I AM TOLD BY SUPEVISION THAT I HAVE TO BE, AND I QUOTE, "... KIND, AND GENTLE, AND UNDERSTANDING", AND, " OH THEY DON'T MEAN IT, THEY ARE JUST JOKING".

I served in the military.  I suffered an ankle injury that required the use of a cane and no boots worn until recovery.  The day I got out of the hospital,  I was physically attacked by a black sergeant (newly promoted), for not wearing boots, and thrown on the floor.  (in front of 200 witnesses-- a whole battalian, included, senior enlisted men), I got up, and this scumbag came after me again, while I hopped away on one leg, yelling for help.  No one helped.  When he lunged at me, I struck him with the cane.  Suddenly, everyone ran, tackled me down, and had me confined to barracks until a judicial punishment trial. 

Black friends and supporters of this asshole, would come into my barrack quarters at night and threaten me, again, in front of others.  Black civilian, YES CIVILIAN FRIENDS, of this asshole, were ALLOWED onto military grounds, and would loiter outside my barracks to intimidate me.  Why they were never questioned is beyond me.

Day of the trial, my own platoon sergeant was a witness against me, telling the judge that the asshole, just barely pushed me.

The sergeant then brought in THE CIVILIANS he had lingering outside my barracks, AS HIS CHARACTER WITNESSES- to tell the judge that he was a righteous man.  The sergeant tried to cry racism during the trial, by saying i would not have hit him if he wasn't black.

The only thing that saved me was the fact that no senior person intervened during the incident, and I had a doctor's note, stating not to wear boots.   The sergeant did not follow procedure.  So I got a ruling of self defense, but with a fine, and demotion.

Motto here is:  THERE ARE JUST AS MANY BLACK RACISTS OUT THERE.