The Real Debate: Crony Socialism or Economic Sovereignty?

by Erik Larson | October 17, 2008 at 10:40 am
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Ellen Brown, author of "Web of Debt" about the monetary system, comments here on the Wall Street Bailout, the economy and the monetary, and presents options for making it work for the public interest, instead of only for crony capitalist corporate socialist bankers.

“Credit” can and should be a national utility, a public service provided by the government to the people it serves.  Many people are opposed to getting the government involved in the banking system, but the fact is that the government is already involved.  A modern-day RFC would actually mean less government involvement and a more efficient use of the already-earmarked $700 billion than policymakers are talking about now.  The government would not need to interfere with the private banking system, which could carry on as before.  The Treasury would not need to bail out the banks, which could be left to those same free market forces that have served them so well up to now.  If banks went bankrupt, they could be put into FDIC receivership and nationalized.  The government would then own a string of banks, which could be used to service the depository and credit needs of the community.  There would be no need to change the personnel or procedures of these newly-nationalized banks.  They could engage in “fractional reserve” lending just as they do now.  The only difference would be that the interest on loans would return to the government, helping to defray the tax burden on the populace; and the banks would start out with a clean set of books, so their $700 billion in startup capital could be fanned into $7 trillion in new loans.  This was the sort of banking scheme used in Benjamin Franklin’s colony of Pennsylvania, where it worked brilliantly well.  The spiraling-interest problem was avoided by printing some extra money and spending it into the economy for public purposes.  During the decades the provincial bank operated, the Pennsylvania colonists paid no taxes, there was no government debt, and inflation did not result.7  
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eastvanray

That is still socialism.  And if banks went broke and the government bought them how would they operate these bankrupt businesses?  If they were not profitable before the nationalization and no changes are made to staff and management then how could anyone expect them to become solvent and profitable all of a sudden?  Bad idea - not well thought out.

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Erik Larson

imho, neither socialism or capitalism are "all bad". Money is a fantasy that works by mass agreement; you can't eat, wear or live in it, it's only worth something to anyone if we're able to exchange what we have to get it, and exchange it to get what we want. My point is, the Constitution authorizes Congress to coin money, the monetary system is a public good like air, water, energy and the electoral system, so why should it be under private secret control, when there is no advantage to the public interest? Especially when the only people who want it under private secret control, are those banksters who've been using the Fed to suck on the US and global economy like a bunch of leeches? Thanks to the natural activities of Homo Sapiens and exponentially accelerating rate of progress in technology our economy has grown tremendously, not thanks to them. We would be much further along with a publicly owned and controlled system, and we can do much better going forward by nationalizing the monetary system, and making it transparent to the People and accountable to the public interest.

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eastvanray

I understand and respect your point but that does not address the huge flaw in the public ownership solution.  Simply by changing ownership you cannot change the financial performance of a business.  You simply transfer the risk from the private sector to the tax payer.  If these are unsuccessful businesses (which they are) then the net effect is negative for the taxpayer not positive.  Just saying this "solution" is  actually adding to taxpayer risk not abating it.

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Erik Larson

what do you suggest, then?

I'm speaking of some major, major, major flaws that are never addressed without spin in the MSM and Republocrat discourse; fix these flaws and the system will work better for everyone; citizens, consumers, large and small business.

If we maintain a free market system or have a democratic socialist system in order to produce all the goodies the first and third worlds want, sure, mistakes will be made, businesses and projects will fail, but it won't be the end of the world and we can learn from our mistakes.

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eastvanray

Wll put!

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at 04:53 on October 18th, 2008

Erik Larson, I like this story. It's good stuff.

I still believe that the reason it failed is because our structure is flawed. The house is not built right to support the financial institute we have in mind. Whether the Public or the Private owes the debt does not solve the problem...That's why we all know this bailout is not going to work.....They need to build the right framework.......This is why I believe they need to separate the Housing Market from the Work Place Environment.

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/separate-housing-market-workplace-economic-market-part-i

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/separate-housing-market-workplace-economic-market-part-ii

And we must also take into consideration that the War has placed great stress on the Federal budget and Financing....which is causing the same reaction as the Soviet Union faced when it collapsed because of its excess military spending.. This time the US faces the same peril. Somehow those who voted against the War certainly knew what they are talking about....and Bush is eating with us or against crow feathers and all.

The issue is blame the War that caused the fall out? Not by a long shot....the bad news has been know for a very long time..since the time of Reagan....who had over 2,000 bank failures on his watch......they have been lying to us all along....and now they are robbing us with a gun to our head.

http://my.nowpublic.com/world/history-united-states-bank-failures

Rev. Jermano

 

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