Republicans can't add

by YankeeJim | September 30, 2010 at 05:46 am
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“Republicans not serious” – Obama

The President is taking the fight to the front yard of Republican opposition. Eric Cantor is loyal to his wealthy supporters, and the last thing he and other Republicans will do is back away from supporting the continuation of tax relief for the rich. Republicans clearly want to appeal to their base of the richest kind as they think they can win on a margin that is bought and paid for by their PACs.

“The math behind the Republican proposal - which includes keeping the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans while balancing the budget - "doesn't add up." Correct, Mr. President, it does not add up.

“President Obama takes his attack on Republicans to Eric Cantor's district

 

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Obama speaks in Virginia and Iowa

President Obama talked about health care and taxes during a backyard speech in Iowa, then headed to Virginia.

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By Anne E. Kornblut and Rosalind S. Helderman

Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, September 30, 2010; 4:36 AM

RICHMOND - President Obama walked into the back yard of one of his chief congressional critics on Wednesday to continue his blunt assault on Republicans and their policies.

At a recreation center in House Whip Eric Cantor's district, Obama accused the Republican of proposing intellectually dishonest policies as part of the GOP's recently released "Pledge to America."

"I know your congressman here I think has strong ideas about what he says he wants to do," Obama said. But, he said, the math behind the Republican proposal - which includes keeping the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans while balancing the budget - "doesn't add up."

Taking the argument directly to Cantor and other Republican leaders is part of a new, aggressive approach for Obama, who has been criticized by members of his party for being too cautious and concerned about offending his opponents.

With five weeks until the midterm elections, Obama seems to be shedding some of that caution in favor of a sharper tone aimed at Republicans - and even Democrats.

On Monday, the president dismissed Republicans as "not serious."”

 

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"thirty-aught-six"

It adds up a lot better for job creation and the ability to increase hiring than Obama's give with the 'left' hand and take from the 'right' hand classist taxation policies. It's one thing to pander to  stereotypical left-wing classism during an election. It is quite another to set policy according to that same stereotypical left-wing classist b.s..  With that kind of low brow thinking the only real wealth distribution comes from the increase of taxpayer paid government service jobs. The ever increasing Obama big government that must be paid for by the little guy who can't get a job to pay the taxes that will be necessary to even begin to slow the national debt, never mind keeping a huge government service sector operating.

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YankeeJim

I agree with you that Obama's initiative to create jobs by creating more public spending was a bad idea. I can see saving some police, fire protection, and teaching jobs, however.

Investment should have been made in the from of loans to private sector manufacturers that produce consumer products made in the USA.

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nanute

First it was the war on reality, and now it's the war on arithmetic. (I think Krugman gets credit for the war on arithmetic line.) See, all we need to do is give more money to the wealthiest 2% of the population and everyone will get a pony. Trickle down economics is a failed notion, and cutting taxes raise revenues is another fiction. But facts don't matter in the "we create our own reality" world of the conservative mind set.

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YankeeJim

I agree, Republicans same old same old is older than dirt.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

$250,000 really isn't a lot if you are running a small business.  As an outside observer, I must say there is a lot of spin out there.  Obama got an earful again in his backyard speech in Iowa, but you won't read or see that in the mainstream media. 

As James Carville said a long time ago, "It's the Economy Stupid".  As long as the Unemployment rate hovers there and people can't sell their houses for a decent rate of return, whether or not there is tax arithmetic is really irrelevant.

What would be wrong with extending the Bush Tax Cuts for two years?


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YankeeJim

Many, many small businesses that people speak about are government contractors (subcontractors). They are nothing more than welfare because 1) their only customer is the government, and 2) they produce nothing of commercial value and fail to add to the GDP.

Small business talk is more spin unless you get very specific.

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Grace H

Its individual income. As a child thereof, thats a good deal bit of money. You tell me—250k+ versus maybe 55k is a quite a disparity in living quality. 

I sadly can say I have felt no effects of what I see on the streets. Am I grateful yes, unequivocally yes. But I'm sickened when I walking three blocks to campus see people my age lying in the street. Keep your damn mansions, but don't leave the carcasses in the field.

Its not extending them. Its the fact that many rich (and don't kid yourself everyone in Congress is rich considering Senators pay themselves nearly 250k) Congressman do not want to lose their tax breaks. And they're willing to screw everyone so that they don't.

There's something wrong with that.


Karl—the NY Times today mentioned he was heckled etc. Do not remember the exact wording or where it is. So did Jon Stewart. That may not be traditional journalism but its more news than the biased constructs you'll find on TV.


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nanute

Karl, Where did you read, or hear about Obama getting an earful? It was all over the national news channels here in the states. Huffington Post, NY Times, and other "mainstream" media outlets covered it. So did FOX with a fair and balanced "approach."

It depends on how you define a small business. Before becoming a bank holding company, Goldman Sachs was considered a small business. Many large corporations set up LLC's that are considered small businesses. And remember, taxes are not paid at the top marginal rate on every dollar in the 250K. It is paid in graduated increments throughout the income levels of each bracket.

Extending the tax cuts for two years would put them in line to expire just in time for the 2012 election cycle. See a political problem here? Furthermore; the taxes were passed, and the only way they were passed, was with the expectation that they would EXPIRE. The tax cuts were not paid for, have cost the Treasury 1.2Trillion over the past 10 years, and we're being told that middle class "entitlements" will have to be cut. Continuing to increase the gap in income disparity is a sure recipe for real civil and political upheaval. If you are interested may I suggest you take a look at this: 

58% of Real Income Growth Since 1976 Went to Top 1% (and Why That Matters)

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I must admit that I don't know how your system works in regards to small business.  In Canada we get incorporated unless you're self-employed.  Self-employed carries its own hazards in regards to liability, especially if your self-employment is a business with liabilities. 

If you're incorporated you pay corporate tax rates for your registered company, which in most cases is lower than personal income tax. 

From the news clips I saw, in Canada, it didn't look like Obama was heckled he was asked pertinent questions.  It looked quite orderly to me.

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"thirty-aught-six"

Since the tax break excludes those earning more than $250,000 the percentile is not the top 2%.  It is the top 35% of single income earners and 33% who file jointly that will be affected. But facts don't matter in the "we create our own reality" world of the leftist mind set.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

True, it makes one wonder who can't add. Luckily the Unemployment rate can still be counted on ten fingers. 

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YankeeJim

Untrue. The rate as published is around 10%, if you add all of the folks unemployed who are over 50 years of age and who have given up, you are more at 30-40%. It is much worse than published and they can't hide it anymore. It is a creeping beast.

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nanute

The tax breaks do not exclude those earning more than 250,000. It is being proposed to exclude this group. The cost of extending the cuts to this group and above, will cost between 700 billion and 1.2 Trillion over ten years. Add this to the cost of the the cuts of the past ten years since the cuts were enacted for all taxpayers and you can add another 1.2Trillion to the cost. (Which weren't paid for the first time around.)

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YankeeJim

Did anyone get their shares of GM and Chrysler stock?

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"thirty-aught-six"

Lets keep to the data provided by Government for 2010 and just who the tax changes affect, and not add our little "if" "But" and partisan accounting. The tax bracket to be affected by the cut represent the top 35% of single income earners and 33% who file jointly. Simple facts according to the IRS Federal Income Tax Rates[ 2010 Tax Brackets] .

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YankeeJim

"It's just rude to be worrying in public about whether you have to fire the maid."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

"Earnings of more than $250,000 a year, but professor laments family just getting by
Professor's lament about possible tax hike draws firestorm of criticism

September 23, 2010|By Ameet Sachdev, Tribune reporter

Todd Henderson feels like he's barely making ends meet. He's a law professor at the University of Chicago. His wife's a doctor at the school's hospital. Their combined income exceeds $250,000. They have a nice house, a nanny, kids in private school, a retirement account and a lawn guy.

Wait. What's he talking about? A lot of people would consider him rich.

People have had some other choice words for the outspoken professor, who has been on the receiving end of a jolt of criticism in response to a blog posting last week in which he described his lifestyle in detail and then complained about President Barack Obama's plan to raise taxes on high-income families.

"A quick look at our family budget, which I will happily share with the White House, will show him that, like many Americans, we are just getting by despite seeming to be rich. We aren't," Henderson wrote on the blog "Truth on the Market."

While Henderson meant for his posting to encourage a debate about taxes, it turned into a public flogging, characterizing him as out of touch or arrogant. More broadly, it has provoked a discussion about what it means to be rich, particularly in an economy where many people are suffering.

Henderson's no longer part of the conversation, though. The firestorm of online hostility compelled him to delete his essay and declare on Tuesday that he will no longer blog. He declined to comment Thursday. Even his wife is angry at him, he acknowledged in a follow-up blog post.

Michael O'Hare, a professor of public policy at the University of California- Berkeley, who railed against Henderson's blog post, said regular Joes are tired of hearing people better off than them complain about what they have.

"It's just rude to be worrying in public about whether you have to fire the maid," he said Thursday. "That didn't used to be acceptable behavior, for people who were that much better off than the rest of us to complain about their misfortunes."

The complaints about Henderson's post have come from far and wide. High-profile columnist Paul Krugman of The New York Times called Henderson the "whining Chicago professor," while The Wall Street Journal offered him advice on how to better manage his lifestyle. Get the kids to mow the lawn, the Journal suggested.

Even a U. of C. colleague, former law school Dean Geoffrey Stone, had something pointed to say.

"People are reasonably focused on the view that this is absurd for somebody who lives a relatively privileged life to define himself as not rich because there are people who are richer," Stone said. "The way he wrote it opened himself up to that.

"If Todd had shown me a draft of it, I would have told him that this is going to call for scorn or derision, and that is not what you are trying to achieve here. You better think of another way to make the point."

There is no clear income threshold that defines rich, just as nearly everyone describes themselves as middle class. Unity Marketing, a research firm, uses the term "aspirational affluents," or people who are affluent but want to act like they're wealthy, for those with a household income of $100,000-$249,999. You're wealthy, or ultra-affluent, according to its measure, when you make more than $250,000 a year.

As for defining "rich," the closest you can get is analyzing income distribution. The top 3 percent of the U.S. population have gross incomes of more than $250,000, said Roberton Williams, senior fellow at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. It's that income bracket that is being targeted by the Obama administration.

How could someone earn money like that and not feel rich?

"They are spending what they are making," Williams said. "They don't feel like there is any fat in the budgets. But the average person would take a look at their budget and say, 'Wow.'"

Saleswoman Megan Cowles sympathizes with the Hendersons of the world who spend what they earn. But her sympathy is limited, because she lives in a $900-a-month apartment.

"I get what (the wealthy are) saying. It sucks, but they have more areas to make concessions than someone who makes $30,000," said Cowles, of the South Loop.

Even some people in Henderson's tax bracket think he needs a reality check. Jerry Brosnan, of Glen Ellyn, who said he earns more than $250,000, said he has retained the sense of frugality he developed as one of seven children raised by Irish immigrants. This sense was recently reinforced when he found one of his father's old check stubs.

"There were nine of us, seven children and two parents, and my dad made $42,000 (a year)," he said.

"If you can't live off $250,000, there's something wrong with you.""

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nanute

Jim, I wrote about this guy the other day. Wealthy Law Professor Laments: I Don't Feel Rich

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nanute

Are you referring to the tax rates, or the percentage of people in the income level above 250,000?

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"thirty-aught-six"

Once again the twisting of the conversation and the exceptions are brought forward to justify the partisan talking points. IT'S ABOUT CREATING JOBS!!!!  NOT WHETHER YOU PERSONALLY FEEL YOU ARE RICH OR NOT.

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nanute

Well, if it's about creating jobs, where are they? Tax cuts to the tune of 1.2 Trillion in the past ten years, (WITHOUT paying for them),  and unemployment is at an "official" 10%. Higher by Jim's count. Let's just continue with the same policies and ideology that told everyone that cutting taxes increase federal revenue, and create jobs. The last time the government had a surplus, was AFTER Clinton raised taxes, and the economy was producing and unemployment rate of around 5-6%. Oh, and what happened to the "deficits don't matter" mantra?

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"thirty-aught-six"

Clinton raised taxes during a period of national prosperity and global boom. So whatever he did during his time in office can not be equated to raising taxes during Bush and Obama's time of global depression and global  investment uncertainty. Get your head out ot the partisan text book and look at life beyond your petty political positioning.

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nanute

Bush didn't raise taxes. He cut them, and forgot to pay for them. If they expire, it will be as intended by the very legislation that was agreed to by the Congress at the time. I'm going to join the Tea Party. Will that satisfy you?

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Karen Hatter

Quick, Nanute! Please get yourself to a doctor for a complete physical AND mental evaluation!

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Karen Hatter

The 'not proven in practice', wishful thinking, commentary that letting the rich keep their money will somehow give them the incentive to re-invest to create more jobs for American workers and America is a fairy tale, thirty-aught-six (not verified).

The last few decades have proven when the rich get more money, they re-invest in themselves, buying cheap labor overseas, even betting against American prosperity through those 'exotic' stock market creations, or hide the dough offshore. 

Been meaning to ask for sometime now, what's with the gun nom de plume?

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"thirty-aught-six"

We are talking about business and new business starts. We are talking about the people who create jobs. Folks who have a business, want to start a business of their own or who want to expand and there fore hire more people. Those "proven in practice" re-investments that create marketable goods and allows others to be employed. "Proven in practice" each and every day. >>> labeling every and all business or the "rich" as crooked is tantamount to labeling all blacks as crack heads. >>> It's not a gun.  30:06 is a cartridge. 

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Karen Hatter

The misrepresentation that 'small businesses' are effected by ending tax breaks for those with income of more than a quarter of a million dollars is another fairy tale.    

Opponents of the plan warn that a tax increase would batter hundreds of thousands of small businesses — from Silicon Valley start-ups to mom-and-pop convenience stores — and prevent them from creating the jobs that might lift the sagging economy.


“It’s a body blow to the small-business community,” said Grover Norquist, president of the conservative advocacy group Americans for Tax Reform.

Despite that emotional appeal, Internal Revenue Service statistics indicate that only 3 percent of small businesses would be subject to the higher tax, and many studies of previous tax increases suggest that it would have minimal impact on hiring.

According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, 97 percent of all businesses owners do not earn enough to be subject to the higher rates, which would be levied on income of over $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for families.

And sorry! What's with the gun RELATED nom de plume; you identify as a gun cartridge?

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Thirty-aught-six"

The misrepresentation is the misuse of stats. Mom & Pop stores are not the definitive American business.  Also personal Federal tax information is not how one derives the value of a business or how effective the tax breaks will be. One has to look at the business and it's total taxation. Property taxes, business taxes, excise taxes, custom duties, payroll taxes, fuel taxes, etc., before ever getting to the personal taxes of the business owner. One has to look across the gambit of Municipal, State and Federal taxes as a whole before commenting on whether or not any tax break would be helpful. >>> The 30:06 cartridge history and my own personal history are related. We grew up together, went as a soldier together, went hunting together and still shoot targets together. Let it suffice to say that it suits me.

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"thirty-aught-six"

I'm not saying Bush raised taxes I'm saying raising taxes during this Bush and Obama depression could not be considered an equal act with an expected equal outcome. And Bush didn't forget to pay anything. He made a deal with us Democrats to cut taxes during a very rough period and Obama is now playing a classist role by dividing the country into what has been referred to as the paycheck vs. the food stamp and suggesting by his rhetoric that a food stamp approach is going to be more effective and desirable for the people than a paycheck.  If the tax cuts expire they expire for everyone as intended and agreed upon prior to their implementation. That was the deal. Live by the deal and stop the classist b.s. and dividing the country into the haves and have-nots for political mileage. We have enough wannabe victims in this society with out creating any more for the sake of a classist oriented tax bill that will accomplish bugger all in the long run. We had ten years of spend for big business with billions and billions in bailouts while the majority of businesses are left to die a slow and agonizing bankruptcy which has lead to 10% unemployment in most states and as high as 13-16% in some others. Either let the cuts expire or keep them for everyone and move on to more important matters that have been pushed aside simply to distract the people from the real and necessary requirement for JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.

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nanute

You keep telling us that you are a Democrat, but you sound like Newt Gingrich with the food stamp vs. paycheck rhetoric. Please tell me  how you define yourself  as a "New Democrat."  And you can, and have, convinced yourself that Bush didn't forget to pay for the tax cuts. The tax cuts were not revenue neutral. The argument was the same then as it was in every other case where Republicans argue that cutting taxes will raise revenue by stimulating growth in the economy. It's called supply side theory, and it is a theory that has been proved wrong. And when that proves true, the rhetoric is then "deficits don't matter." It didn't work with Reagan, and it certainly hasn't worked in the case of the Bush experiment either. Now that a Democrat is running the show, we hear that spending is out of control and we've got to stop all this deficit spending. If you think it is a good idea to widen the gap in income disparity and continue to shift a larger amount of wealth and prosperity to a smaller percentage of the population without compensating the working class for creating the wealth through increased productivity just say so.

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"thirty-aught-six"

I have a partisan free and open mind that I explore the world with. You should put down the leftist textbook talking points and read more than the NYT opinions. The tax cuts don't do anything to widen the income disparity and the idea that withholding the tax cut on the top wage earners is going to address that is primo ridiculous. It's a joke. Which shows you can only repeat what you are told, but have no independent thought processes to discern between the real world and political fiction.  Your last sentence is so old and so oft repeated by kneejerk liberals that one begins to think that the Unions need a new handbook. Even the illegal immigrant farm help have their own unions. It's not Obama's job to redistribute wealth. It is his job to see OUR tax dollars go to the services detailed and not to an ever broadening bureaucracy instead. Being a Democrat does not mean you are a socialist nor does it mean that being fiscally conservative is anti-thematic to Democrat principles. You need to broaden your political sphere of ideas. As it stands now your limited thinking has you TAXED.

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