Russia Misinterprets Cease-Fire and Advances Further Into Georgia

by BigT | August 18, 2008 at 04:04 pm
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Maybe there was a language barrier of some kind and in Russia "pullback" means "CHARGE!" Who knows.

Late yesterday julianw had this to say.

In response to strong pressure from various world leaders, President Dmitry Medvedev has vowed to pull Russian forces out of Georgia starting Monday, the AFP reports. The announcement contrasts sharply with an earlier report suggesting Russian forces were digging in Sunday for a long stay in Georgia.
So, even then, there were questions. Now we have something closer to an answer.

Russia said Monday it had begun withdrawing from the conflict zone in Georgia, but it held fast to key positions and sent some of its troops in the opposite direction — closer to the Georgian capital.

Russian troops and vehicles roamed freely around the strategically located central city of Gori, Russian forces appeared to blow up the runway at a military base in the western town of Senaki.

There were few signs Russia was following the terms of a cease-fire to end the short war, which has driven tensions between Russia and the West to some of their highest levels since the breakup of the Soviet Union.

In Paris, the French foreign minister said it appeared "we are witnessing the start" of a Russian withdrawal, but warned France would call an emergency meeting of the European Council to talk about consequences for Russia if that was not the case.

But U.S. defense and military officials said they had seen no significant movement yet of Russian troops withdrawing from Georgia.

Tanks and missiles remain.

In Moscow, the deputy chief of the Russian general staff, Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, told a briefing that "today, according to the peace plan, the withdrawal of Russian peacekeepers and reinforcements has begun" and said forces were leaving Gori.

But Russian tanks and troops roamed freely around the city and made forays toward the Georgian capital of Tbilisi, 55 miles to the southeast. Russia also kept control of the critical highway that slices through Georgia's midsection.

AP reporters saw four Russian armored personnel carriers, each carrying about 15 men, rolling from Gori to Igoeti, a crossroads town even closer to Tbilisi, passing Georgian soldiers who sat by the roadside.

The Russians moved into Igoeti then turned off onto a side road. As the Russian vehicles rolled past a group of Georgian soldiers and policemen, one swerved and scraped a new Georgian police car. The Georgians looked down at their fingernails.

U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing intelligence reports, said at least one Russian battalion equipped with more than a dozen SS-21 missile launchers had moved into South Ossetia, within range of Tbilisi. Nogovitsyn disputed the claim.

And how are the Ossetians treating reporters? Like thugs.

An Associated Press cameraman was slightly injured outside Gori after four men in camouflage, possibly from an Ossetian militia, pulled up in a car and told him to stop filming.

When the cameraman resisted, the driver produced a pistol and started shooting at the ground. The cameraman, who sustained light ricochet wounds to his legs, handed over the cassette.

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Amy Judd
Amy Judd
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at 16:58 on August 18th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.

A good round-up - thanks.

Rhonda J Mangus
Rhonda J Mangus
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at 18:26 on August 18th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Albert Milliron
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at 19:24 on August 18th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.  Russia Today TV is insisting that they are withdrawing.  Aljazeera is saying they are not.  PressTV (Iran) says they are leaving.  Fox news is having Russians asking them for Russian press credentials. what a mess

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BigT

Al, what all of this leads to for me is more distrust of the Russians. Personally, I do believe that Russia is undergoing a transformation where they are morphing back into the Soviet Union. In fact, you can call it the Soviet Union 2.0 because there are some changes. Instead of being thug communism it is now thug communism/capitalism and Putin is at the top.

Heck, just imagine if Bush, tomorrow, created a new leadership position that insured he would be in power for another eight years. Do you think anyone who is a Russian apologist would support such a move by President Bush? I seriously doubt it.


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Babel-Fish

If the world told Russia to stay, then Russia would leave.

Russia does not like being told what to do, because of that reason what ever Russia does is going to be at snail pace to show they and only they are in charge of the issue. They will leave in their own good time.

I am certainly not shocked and some what amused by France making such a big noise as their president must of known after the USA blundered in accusing Russia as being a bad boy he must of knew how Russia would behave. .  

 

 

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BigT

Babel-Fish, you're right. Nothing too surprising about what is transpiring now. Quite frankly, I don't think this is going to go much farther. Although, it is at the end of the Bush administration and that might embolden some nations to take more direct action.

Babel-Fish
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at 19:44 on August 18th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.

René
René
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at 20:17 on August 18th, 2008

Guess the Russians have to prove just how bad the bad boys can be. Wonder what other 'tricks' they got in this-heavily-plotted plan?

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BigT

One of the tricks was that they launched a full fledged cyberwar against Georgia. At least one of their government's websites had to relocate to the states (I think, ironically, it might have been our Georgia). Cyberwar is something that isn't on many people's radars just yet but it is extremely scary stuff.

Here's an interesting ditty from Wired about Cyberwar.

Uwe Paschen
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at 20:31 on August 18th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff.


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BigT

Thanks to everyone for all the comments, flags, and the different points of view. Always appreciated.

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Greg Rose

It's interesting how quickly the world condemns the US when it takes the role as the world's policeman in behalf of unwilling first world countries.  Iraq waged war against Iran.  Then it invaded Kuwait which Saddam said is one of Iraq's provinces.  Now Russia occupied Georgia in behalf of the South Ossetians and Abkhazians both of whom Russia itself doesn't recognise as a legitimate nation.  Who raise the voice of concern.  Europeans mostly but somewhat lukewarm.  Australians?  I haven't heard of a winge. Quite honestly here in Australia they love to bash Americans and the British: bloody and dumb Yanks and the Pommies.  Hard to comprehend.  I bet that if any country tries to invade Australia, the US and Great Britain will be the first to the rescue.

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BigT

Of course we will. Don't sell your country too short Mr. Rose because you guys did give Vice President Cheney a nice, warm welcome a while ago when he visited. Not all of your countrymen are anti-American. And you guys did/do provide a great lot of help to us in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It's just that, for some reason, some people see America as the problem. I guess they never think about how the world would be different without us or, taking it back a little further in history, how the world would be different if it weren't for the English speaking people. No one can honestly say the world would be a better place without us.


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René

The LA Times has reporters on the ground in Georgia.




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Paganpete

Great story and GREAT headline!


Seems like the Bear is back and it has a sore head :-(

Barry ORegan
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at 00:07 on August 19th, 2008

BigT, I like this story. It's good stuff. They may have a cease fire, just not a cease burning, beating and looting.

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BallyZACA

Simple put -- blame Sarkozy!  Wonder what Bush see's when he looks into Sarkozy's eyes to view his soul -- Traitor!  Or, just a simple case of naïveté (Ya' Think!)

Fairbanks
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at 07:29 on August 19th, 2008

According to ABC, no sign whatsoever that Russia is adhering to the terms of the agrement. 

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BallyZACA

"Same ol' <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />Russia"... "Same ol' Modus Operandi!"

RUSSIA'S CONCEPT FOR DOMINATING EUROPE -- By: J.R. Nyquist

http://www.financialsense.com/stormwatch/geo/pastanalysis/2008/0815.html

Today the European Union confronts Russia in the same way Neville Chamberlain confronted Hitler in 1938; being outwitted and tricked in the ceasefire negotiations, there is no possible outcome other than appeasement. The Russians insist that their troops be accepted as peacekeepers in Georgia. The French mediators allow this. And so, the stipulated withdrawal of combatants therefore does not apply to the Russian troops. Under this ceasefire agreement Moscow can claim – in a strictly legal sense – that Russian troops can stay in Georgia indefinitely. President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin are laughing at the French while observing international law. Meanwhile, occupied Georgia is looted and burned; Georgian ships are sunk and the Georgian capital is strangled.

NATO has done nothing, even though NATO has promised to make Georgia a member of the alliance. NATO defers to the European Union. Bush also defers and sends his Secretary of State to Paris instead of Moscow. While all of Europe demanded a negotiated solution, only Poland and the Baltic States (along with Sweden and Denmark) denounced Russian military aggression. All of Europe should have denounced Russia with one voice. All of Europe should have eschewed “negotiations.” All of Europe should have demanded an immediate withdrawal of Russian forces from Georgia. All of Europe should have begun to mobilize troops and combat aircraft for the defense of Georgia. In that event, Russia would have retreated.

But the Kremlin knew, in advance, this wouldn’t happen. There is no “military confrontation” in Georgia. As President Medvedev said, “I am convinced that with the end of the Cold war … bloc discipline simply disappeared.”

The Russian president is right.

-END-

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BigT

Thanks for the great comment buddy. That Chamberlain analogy is painfully apt in this situation. I'm not denying that Georgia shares some of the blame for this (they were at least "rope a doped" into this) but Russia is definitely flexing its muscles in its neck of the woods now.

Playing off your first comment in this thread I would hate to think that too many of our leaders have looked into Putin's eyes and now believe he is basically a good man. That would be a mistake.


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