Russian invasion of Georgia: The first war of the post-post-9/11 era?

by Barry ORegan | August 11, 2008 at 05:42 pm
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Putin accusing Georgia towns hiding Terrorists, it should be known Georgia has a relatively small population of minority Muslims, the Chechnya and Muslim Extremists certainly doesn’t fly.

George Bush, giving Putin both barrels of the invasion of Georgia, certainly show a bit of hypocrisy when one invader trades morality with another invader, in what boils down to both with "Georgia on their Minds"!

(AP Photo Inset)  Georgian Soldiers on patrol in the town of  Gori, Georgia.

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/08/11/jonathan-kay-on-the-russian-invasion-of-georgia-the-first-war-of-the-post-post-9-11-era.aspx Jonathan Kay on the Russian invasion of Georgia:

The first war of the post-post-9/11 era?

Posted: August 11, 2008, 3:20 PM

by Jonathan Kay Jonathan Kay

I'm not going to pretend to have any special insights into Russia's invasion of South Ossetia — and now Georgia proper.

Even the Russians may not know how far they'll go, or how long they'll stay: This New York Times report suggests the invasion was a spur-of-the-moment reaction to events in South Ossetia, not a pre-meditated move.

But whatever the outcome, the conflict may mark the beginning of a new era in foreign affairs: The post-post-9/11 world.

Last month, the National Post comment pages presented five excerpts from a new book by Robert Kagan, The Return of History and the End of Dreams.

Kagan's book is extraordinary — by post-9/11 foreign-policy standards, anyway — in that he devotes a mere five pages to the problem of militant Islam.

That's because he sees militant Islam, and the terrorism it's spawned, as a mere sideshow to a larger conflict between the world's autocracies (led by China and Russia) and the world's democracies, led by the United States and (more flinchingly) the European Union.

In this conflict, religion has little relevance. Instead, it is a raw Great Powers-style struggle for resources, influence and geopolitical control — layered over with an ideological battle about the legitimacy of non-democratic forms of government.

The fight in Georgia is exactly the sort of little proxy war that Kagan, presumably, sees as characteristic of the coming age: A fight between a pro-Western democratic state struggling in the shadow of bald-faced Russian hegemony.

The fight has nothing to do with Islam, or terrorism, or Arabs, or Jews — and is only tangentially related to oil (which flows through the region).

As such, it doesn't fit into any of the patterns we've come to expect since 9/11.

In fact, most Western observers would have difficulty picking a favorite in this war. but not for the fact that Georgia is the more democratic and smaller of the two principals.

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Barry ORegan

Thanks Gh0s7, Russia flexs and the world notices, though flexing at a small country is just bully tactics, wont win them any friends anywhere.  Thanks for the comments and the flag.

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mtippett

Barry, please tag your story with only one channel.  Thanks.  Michael.

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at 11:04 on August 12th, 2008

Barry Artiste, I like this story. It's good stuff.  It is sad that Russia want to be the Soviets again.  Whats next the Ukraine?  Here is an example of what high oil prices produce.  Bush likes Putin but is now is learning he is a just another communist. 

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Barry ORegan

My time in Russia, I met many old timers who longed for the good old days, when everyone had crap, equally, the sudden nouveau riche have everything and the spread of wealth is not trickling down to the poorer classes, hence longing for the days when a Bus driver made more than a Doctor. But the majority of Russians fought long and hard for the stuff they have now, and it will be hard to let it go without a massive revolt.  Though Putin, is no longer President, he still holds more sway then the present President and will continue to do so.

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clairify

This was most certainly a premeditated move. Calculated, planned, and awaiting a sufficiently credible pretext. The coincidence of events to occur with the Olympic distraction was also no accident. The onslaught of propaganda to the  contrary, and the denial of involvement in the preceeding cyber attacks that were monitored world wide, are not convicing.

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Barry ORegan

Thanks for the insight Clarify, lest we not forget one of the other reasons, was they said Georgia was supposedly rumour has it hiding Muslim and Chechnya terrorists and possibly Elvis, Bin Laden, Area 51, and whatever else they could think of as an excuse to start an invasion.

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William Schoenecker

I am ashamed to be an American right now.. An Idiot with no balls runs this nation..So easily we fight those who can not fight back (just or unjust) and yet we are nothing but cowardly pussies when we cant even help rescue an ally under attack that has backed us in every way. Pretty damn pathetic to turn your back on your friends.. We should have bombed the russian advance and cleared gorgian skies.. To say there is nothing the US can do is utter BS!.. All the US has to do is force the Russians out and maintain borders.. Russians would dare risk open war with the US..We are so afraid that we have no balls to call their bluff? Cuban crisis ought to teach you what putin has in mind for the west..another cold war looms if not already in action..

some say we cant..losers cant..winners bite the bullet in the face of failure to gain success or victory.. Especially if they are your god damn allies!


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Barry ORegan

Thanks for the comments, perhaps Bush and the American people feel their hands are pretty full with Irqaq, Afghanistan right now to take on another fight, considering Public opinion states, they want a total pullout.

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Victor K.

I am from Russia and I completely disagree with the message of the article and the comments. The majority of Russians do not want to return to communism, Russians also don't wan't to establish any 'new world order'. There is no 'iron curtain' - I may freely exchange messages with you, for example. Even if Putin wanted this (he never claimed the return to the USSR or Russian world hegemony), he would posess not enough power to convince the population in that. There are no expansionary plans in the moods of Russian people at all. 

American mass media created the myth of Russian agressiveness which is completely false.

What happended in Osetia? You claim that Russia invaded a sovereign state.

Let me remind then that Georgian border was drawn in USSR without taking into account that it will become independent some day, its territory contains huge Osetian and Abhasian minorities, which are very different from Georgians. Georgians hate them and started to fight them immediately after gaining independence (in 1991-92). Only Russian participation stopped the bloodshed at that time.
Next, the 'Russian invasion', as you call it, started AFTER Russia waited for 15 hours observing how Georgian heavy artillery bombed Tshinvali and other Osetian towns and requesting international support. Russia showed to the world community that Saakashvilly initiated the conflict and he was guilty in ethnic cleansing - about 1500-2000 Osetians were killed (not to mention Russian peacekeepers) BEFORE Russia interfered into the conflict. All of tens of thousands of Osetian refugees fleed to Russia, not Georgia!
By calling Russian peacekeeping mission 'invasion' you support the nazi rule of Saakashvilly!

Is it democratic to give indepenence to Osetians, 99% of which want this indepenence and after Georgian troops bombed Tshinvaly to the ground, so Russia had to interfere? Or there remain no moral principles when American interests are involved?  

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BallyZACA

Well said... Gocha!

Now, those are the words of a freedom loving man!  A person who understands and knows first-hand what Russia really stands for -- death, destruction, and anything NOT related to democracy. 

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Gocha

It seems my previous posting was moderated i.e. deleted. i will put it short, Russians should stop or should be stopped bluffing the whole world and killing-destroying Georgia. You will never win.

Thank you ballyZaca for the words of support. The world should act now Russia continues distruction of the country and killing the innocent people even after the cease fire....

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Barry ORegan

Thanks Bally and Gocha for your comments, they are certainly needed for this story. Gocha, you should really consider joining Now Public as a Contributor so you can post stories from your perspective, certainly you would be a valuable addition to Now Public.

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william schoenecker

Now Russia is threatening to attack Poland.. Missle defense systems are not the same thing as placing nukes in cuba ppl.. And Russia is basically saing there is a 100% chance of attack.. I think Russia would make a big mistake attacking Poland... Russia is clearly after taking these countries back.. Russians are already defying the signed cease fire to pull out of georgia and are now digging for what seems like a comming battle.. US might end up going to war with Russia if they do not back down.

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Barry ORegan

Thanks for the comments William, I can say with confidence an invasion wont be happening, what may happen is Poland wont be getting any gas or oil from Russia, and it gets pretty cold in Poland in winter.

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Georgian

William thank you very much for your words and support in here. For centuries we have been fighting for our freedom, democracy and unity which we could finally gain in the last years (were close to reuniting our rebel regions) but Russia can't accept Georgia and its people being free. As Putin says, the biggest mistake was a collapse of the Soviet Union, everything is clear what his plans for the east Europe are, but i hope and pray that modern Europe and USA won't let this ex-KGB agent play his dirty games. As i read from many russian's comments, they do not even know that Abkhazia and S.Ossetia were Georgia's territories since centuries, we have been living in peace for years and years. Russia started the war in 1990s and could not do any peace keeping mission to rejoin Georgia with it's regions, you will ask why? the answer is, Because it did not have the wish to see a strong democratic country built near its borders, it did not want NATO on caucasus. But today joining NATO is only rescue for Georgia and its people, at least we can sleep at nights not thinking that Russian planes will start bombing us. I wish USA had backed us more, i wish Europe had forced russia to stop genocide of georgians in regions, they did good job for ceasefire, but you can't stop such a monster as russia  just with words, we need more and more action, more force on Russia, now it looks like as Russia is the most powerful country in the world which can do anything it wishes, not listening to anything or anybody. Oil, to what it always comes, i think there are always altirnative ways of getting gas and oil, how did europe live without russian oil and gas before? what do you prefer, living in freedom and peace or living in a warm room under Bloody Empire's Regime ? Believe me, you should go for the first one, because the warm room will be no comfort when you are Russia's slave, who who, but Georgians know it the best! Wish you all peace. Tata, from attacked but never bent on it's knees Georgia.

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Barry ORegan

Thanks for your insights,both William and especially Georgian, one does not know or truly appreciate their freedoms until it is taken away by another with even less freedom,

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