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Scandalous PEI Poppy Campaign, An Insult to the Fallen
A group, calling themselves the Island Peace Committee in <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 />PEI, are selling white Poppies, as a protest against war. They claim they stand for non-violent solutions to world conflicts. This is a disgrace, and further evidence that education has been cut too much and political correct teaching swung too far. The red poppies are not a pro war symbol, they are a reminder that young men and boys, from around the world, gave their lives in hope of establishing a lasting peace. This white poppy campaign is a slap in their faces, an entire generation butchered, maimed, slaughtered and damned, so that we could have the peace and freedom we enjoy today, and that any would take the stance of this Peace Committee, and malign that memory, is proof that the education system in this country has failed. If they comprehended the meaning of the poppy campaign, if they had an understanding of the sacrifices made on their behalf, they would cease this activity. The poppies are a reminder of the horrors of war, in hopes that by remembering, we will not find ourselves in the same situation again. Anyone who has read a book on Passchendaele or the Somme with understands that glory was not the defining factor in those blood-soaked killing fields. The horror of war, and the bravery of those who fell to keep that horror away from those at home, that is why we remember. Respecting the dead is not a matter of glorifying the way they died, and if you could speak to them now, that would not be their stance. Do not cheapen their sacrifice to further your own political aims. Peace is truly a noble ideal, but to deny that in some instances peaceful resolution is not possible is to deny reason. Hug a suicide bomber, and tell them you understand, then come back and tell me that love is the answer. Winston Churchill equated appeasement to feeding the crocodile in hopes that it eats you last. Was he wrong? Did Hitler cease to invade neighbouring states, simply because the League of Nations said, “okay, you can have Czechoslovakia, but please stop there”? In some instances, taking a firm stand is the only solution. It should be a last resort, but it must be used when that is the only way to stop more bloodshed. Was Napoleon willing to sit down, and settle things over a cup of tea? Or was Elizabeth I willing to call off her privateers pillaging Spanish shipping, because they asked her to? There have always been people or groups who will chose violence as their first option when dealing with a conflict, and that is not likely to change in the immediate future. When facing such groups, it is necessary to be able to deal with their violence, by having a standing army, people willing to confront that horror so you can stay at home, drinking your extra-hot, no foam, two pump, non-fat lattes and shaking your head at the inhumanity of it all. Do not besmirch the memory of those who have fallen protecting you, because you yourself are not willing to do it. The poppy campaign is not about giving an impression of the glory of war. The donations taken go to support veterans, and their families. To support the families of those who fell keeping us here in Canada safe from foreign aggressors. Had no one stood up to Hitler’s aggressive forces of darkness, is their any doubt that he would have continued? Any hint that, defeating Russia and the United Kingdom, he would have been content to stop? The murder of Jews, Blacks, gays, socialists, the handy-capped, were those acts at all justified? No, they were not. Was there a way to stop him other than through force of arms? Again, no; bloodshed was needed to prevent greater atrocities from continuing. The poppy campaign is a charity fundraiser for the Legion, so that they may take care of those who gave so much for our freedom. By undermining the campaign you are taking money out of the hands of those in need, to whom we all owe a debt of gratitude. German U-Boats were present in the St Lawrence River. Japanese troops were present in islands of the coast of British Columbia. Why were they there? To talk about a peaceful solution to the conflict? And yet, these recorded facts are ignored by educators in this day and age, preferring to focus only on the atrocities committed; internments, confiscation of property, discrimination. These were very real, and horrible parts of our heritage. So too were the threats of Japanese and German invasion and attack. Yes War is horrible. But to pick and chose which aspects of it we will acknowledge, to further our own biases against it, is foolish. It furthers our ignorance; it does not improve our society. Showing the world that we are both ignorant and weak is not the way to bring about peace. Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum, let him who desires peace prepare for war, Flavius Vegitius Renatus said it 17 centuries ago, and it is as true today as it was then. Do not degrade the memory of those who died for you freedom by using it to besmirch their memory. If you have no interest in serving your country, do not do so, you have that right. But give thanks, none the less, to those who gave everything so that you could have that right. The White Poppy campaign is a disgrace to the memory of those who gave their lives, so that we could enjoy ours in peace and liberty. Those who claim that it is in support of peace, and is justified are ignorant of the true significance of the acts taken on their behalf. All those young men who died in the First World War did so, hoping that you and yours would not have to go through that. The men and women who served in the Second World War put their lives on the line, so that you and yours could like in peace and security, no matter your race, gender, sexual orientation or social class. Those who fought in the Korean War and the many Peace-keeping operations also hoped to ensure peace and freedom from oppression. If Hitler, or the Kaiser, or Stalin, or any other of the dictators whose armies those men and women were fighting against, had succeeded, would you have the freedom to run this campaign? So instead of marring their memory, and taking food out of the mouths of those who need it, and are supported by the [real] Poppy campaign, stop, and give thanks to those who gave all. Without them, you would not be here today.
"At the going down of the sun, and in the morning we will remember them"
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at 17:14 on November 3rd, 2010
As the people you speak of, who have been maimed or butchered, will tell you, war is something to be used as a method of last resort, not something to be used for every disagreement. This campaign is not to directed at them but at people presently living who want to send their children to war all over the world on matters that do not require military intervention and that can be solved diplomatically. I think that you, speaking as you do of horrors of war, will agree that peaceful solutions are preferable to military solutions. There is a time and a place for military action, but it is not for every situation, as the people whom the white-poppy campaigners oppose would claim. So this campaign is in no way a disgrace and in no way an insult. Rather it is a reminder that diplomacy must be used before military action. And I am quite certain that the war veterans you are talking about, who have suffered horribly in the wars as you say they did, would tell you just as much.
at 18:50 on November 3rd, 2010
I appreciate your perspective, and understand it. However, my point is still valid, because it is an issue that goes deeper than the mere sale of poppies in a different colour, or a stance against violence. The veterans, and I personally know many, agree with me that war is a last resort, which I acknowledged. However, the poppy campaign the legion holds every year is a charity fundraiser, which is being undermined by this white poppy campaign. The legion, the voice for those veterans, and for the families of those who did not make it home, have already come out against the white poppy campaign. Peace is truly a noble ideal, and war a truly hellish situation. However, as the exhisting red poppies are there both to raise money in support of those who have suffered first hand through war, and also to remind us all of the cost of war, the white poppy campaign is at best redundant. But as it is in direct competition with the Legion's poppy campaign, and as the poppy is a trade-marked symbol, the white poppy campaign is in the wrong. Moreover, how many of those involved in the White Poppy campaign have any experience with war, apart from maybe a few hours of discussion a year in school, most of which is biased, and what they see on the equally biased media? If the organisers of the white poppy campaign truly understood the significance of the poppies we wear on rememberance day, they would be aware that their campaign is unnecessary. The fact remains that people no longer understand what rememberance day is about, nor do they comprehend the signicance of the poppy campaign. And that truly is a disgrace. Last year in Vancouver, an artical was written by a truly ignorant person about how the poppy was a symbol of Canadian hypocracy, as we send our soldiers off to burn poppies in Afghanistan. A few years back, squaters took over Victory Square in Vancouver, and were unwilling to leave to allow renovations, their stance, according to one, that "the war is like my ass, its behind me." And I personally was forced to sit through a rememberance day ceremony in highschool where one of the teachers gave a speach about how we should blame veterans for war, because if no one was there to fight, there could be no war. People have forgotten the true meaning of the poppy and of rememberance day, remembering the fallen, in hopes that never again will the world walk down the path they took in 1914, which led to the butchery of an entire generation of young men. If that is not a disgrace, then nothing is.
at 20:16 on November 3rd, 2010
I see. So the red-poppy gathering is a fund-raiser for veterans and their families as a memorial of World War I? I can see how the white-poppy gathering can insult them.
Your original point about the inadequacy of educational funding: Isn't it the Conservatives that have been cutting the funding for education in Canada, as they had in America?
I had no idea that Canadians embraced political correctness, an American liberal student once said to me that political correctness is an embarrassment to liberalism.
at 07:14 on November 5th, 2010
Education has suffered under every government this country has had for decades. To blame the conservatives, currently in power, is short sighted, and wildly inaccurate, in the fact that A) in Canada, education is the responsibility of the provincial governments, and B) the decline in education has been going on for decades with regard to this aspect of history. Because it makes some people feel bad, it is all but ignored, whenever possible. This attitude has been felt under every government Canada has had, for many years.
Your comments are appreciated of course, Ishambat, where they are relevant, however much of your stance seems to be based more on an anti-war sentiment and lack of familiarity with the realities of the situation in Canada. This is not a nation of War mongers, and does not declare war for the sake of paltry power struggles. Nor is the call to respect Veterans one of political motivation. It is a matter of honouring those who we owe a debt to.
at 19:38 on November 3rd, 2010
It's like a group of homophobic's choosing the Gay pride flag to represent their cause only to rearrange the colors.
at 20:21 on November 3rd, 2010
Quite the way of the world. Reagan used arguments of the hippies; right-wing survivalists and militias used tactics of anarchists; and the wife-beaters' movement has been using feminist arguments. So nothing to be surprised about there.
at 20:39 on November 3rd, 2010
ummmmmmmm, this 'wife-beating' thing of yours is going a bit far now ishambat. I really don't see where you are coming from and it isn't even relevant to this story.
at 15:58 on November 4th, 2010
Check the Fatherhood Foundation, Glenn Sacks, Michael Murphy, and Christian Domestic Discipline. There is a lot more to it, but this thread may not be the right place to discuss it. I write on domestic violence quite a bit, so feel free to check my articles on the subject.
at 22:19 on November 3rd, 2010
"the wife-beaters' movement" ? Is that a social movement I've missed?
at 05:49 on November 4th, 2010
The white poppies should be commemorated at another time. There is a time and place for it. I agree with Piobar
at 06:44 on November 4th, 2010
Thanks Barry, you're right, another time and place would be appropriate. I am all for peaceful resolutions to conflict if possible. But that does not diminish the sacrifices made on our behalf by those who went before us, which the poppy campaign is meant to remind us all of. So many people in this day and age do not fully grasp that concept, because it is not pleasant to think about. But wars have happened, and we owe a great debt to those who fell for our freedom.
at 15:50 on November 4th, 2010
In this kind of thing it's a bit of a catch-22. Wars are horrible, but those who have gone to war for right causes deserve to be honored. One unintended consequence of the latter is that some people see the honor given to the veterans and decide that they too want that honor, so they want to go to war and start agitating for war when going to war is the wrong thing to do and the problem can be solved diplomatically. On the other hand, not honoring those who've gone to war insults their memory and leads people to be wary about volunteering for the military when armed action is required. Remember the veterans, but check the war-mongerers and be mindful in all such things that the reality of war is quite different from the honor that is given the veterans, and that just as is was foreign war-mongerers that were responsible for these veterans' deaths, so the domestic war-mongerers when they have their way bear responsibility for similar crimes.
at 07:00 on November 5th, 2010
By honouring and listening to the veterans, this should not be an issue, however. If you talk to soldiers or veterans, the majority of them want peace more than your average citizen who has nothing to lose by sending hte soldiers off to die. But but forgetting the sacrifice of those who fell, and the struggles the veterans, who survived, went through, because that war is bad and they are a reminder of it, we lose touch with how terrible the cost truly is. The men, and now women, who go to war do so because their country tells them to. Soldiers do not declare war, politicians do. And if you look at the politicians in this country, the number who have any military experience at all, apart from perhaps watching Saving Private Ryan, is almost negligible. Soldiers do not give orders, they take them. To say that remembering the costs of war will lead people to join the army and cause wars is far from the truth. <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 />Canada does not declare war on nations because a few hot-headed teenagers want medals; and never has done. There may be a minority of soldiers who join up looking for glory, but they are a minority. And honour is very different than glory. You do not need to bayonet a dozen enemy soldiers, and it is very rare for a soldier in Canada to be glorified in any way for such an act. I could easily give a list of names that should be known to every elementary student, if that were the case. And guaranteed, even teachers and educators would have to do research to figure out who they were. That is not the nature of the Canadian public. Talk to some veterans, listen to their stories, show them the respect they have earned, and they will show that war is not glorious, or something to be sought for the sake of petty personal gains. That is the meaning of Rememberance Day, and the Poppy campaign. The meaning that has been forgotten by too many in this country who have never known privation, fear, death, or horror, not in the way those veterans have.