Scientists Show Time and Space Do Not Exist

by munty13 | October 1, 2008 at 10:57 am
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Time is not inherent to the Universe. A detailed search of the Universe will reveal that there's no such thing as 'time', but only this moment... and this moment....and this moment. Some think of time as being one moment piled up ontop of another moment to create four dimensional space. You can imagine it a bit like a polaroid picture being taken of this present moment and then another being slapped on top, and then another, until eventually a worm-like structure appears. This idea of four dimensional space creates the illusion that time is real, and somehow tangible in the Universe -  but it's not, because the only place where four dimensional space exists is in the human mind. What really happens with that polaroid as it lands on top of the one below, is that the old picture disappears- it ceases to exist and it's replaced by this moment....and then this moment...and so on. For more details on fourth dimensional space you can go here...   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_dimension

Over 99% of an atom is empty space. In-fact there is hardly any matter whatsoever. This site illustrates just how empty an atom really is ...    http://www.phrenopolis.com/perspective/atom/#electron

The electrons which orbit an atom spin so fast that it enables a mostly empty structure to appear solid to the observer. If we were to shrink ourselves and accelerate our speed of perception, the electrons of that atom would appear to slow down in their orbits. Eventually the atom would become more apparent for its empty space than its solidness, and it pays to draw on an image of our own solar system to illustrate this. What this shows is an inextricable relationship between matter, time and our rate of perception. The rate at which we percieve the spin of an atom designates just how solid (or empty) matter appears to be. Matter is thus revealed as a function of time, whilst time itself is simply the product of personal experience and not something which is inherent to the Universe.

Time inside an atom is measured in attoseconds. One attosecond is one quillionth of a second. To try and give that some kind of perspective, one attosecond is to one second what one second is to the age of the Universe. One attosecond is the time it takes light to travel the length of 3 hydrogen atoms. 150 attoseconds is the time it takes for an electron to circle the nucleus of an atom. These speeds are unfathomably fast, but only in relation to our rate of perception which is measured in 'yawn' milliseconds. The earliest response to stimuli begins at the cerebellum within 2 ms, whilst the first response of the visual cortex is around 50-70 ms. A full state of arousal of the brain takes around 200 ms. So what we have is a vast, almost unthinkable difference in time scales : one millisecond is one thousandth of a second, but if an attosecond were stretched to the length of a full second, a second would last longer than 31 million years.

If I was to speed up my rate of perception from milliseconds to attoseconds, then the rate at which I drop the next polaroid would slow down. If I increased it further, say the speed of light, then I would stop....everything would stop....but only in relation to me; in other words only my experience would have stopped and not the Universe itself. What's also interesting at this stage is the presence of consciousness and its role outside experience. As the rate of perception increases or decreases,  consciousness will have remained  invariably constant, and indeed, even if my rate of perception were to run at the speed of light, would consciousness thus be revealed as the only thing to exist in the Universe? Does this then confirm what the mystics and religion have told us for thousands of years - that it's all One, and that it is all God?


 

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RayBanBro66
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at 11:17 on October 1st, 2008

"Past and future are illusions. They exist only in the present, which is what there is and all that there is."  ...Alan Watts

Daniel Neun
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at 12:34 on October 1st, 2008

Fascinating.

Fairbanks
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at 12:35 on October 1st, 2008

The electrons which orbit an atom spin so fast that it enables a mostly empty structure to appear solid to the observer.

Electrons don't orbit the atom.  They are stuck to it like polyps. 

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Fairbanks

BTW, the stack of polaroids was in Plato, Timaeus, 37d. and referenced in Heidegger 'Sein und Zeit', 1927

kineton tina aionos poiesai

René
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at 12:57 on October 1st, 2008

there's no such thing as 'time', but only this moment... and this moment....and this moment.
Exactly what my spiritual teacher said. Each moment exists independently and not dependent on the last moment or the next. All we have is NOW! Right now, just now.

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jessica.lam

Physics - very difficult to grasp because it gets to a point where there is nothing tangible. Just theoretical.

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JeffHuang

Very intriguing.

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steveballmer

Time never has existed?

Paschen
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at 18:08 on October 1st, 2008

munty13, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Those are still theories though.

Terri Potratz
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at 18:16 on October 1st, 2008

munty13, I like this story. It's good stuff.

You just turned my mind inside out.  And then inside out again.

BallyZACA
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at 03:52 on October 2nd, 2008

munty13, I like this story. It's good stuff.

The concept of four dimensional space, however, is no longer the accepted theory.  In fact, many physicists are now planning to use the Large Hadron Collider to prove a six-dimensional space that is timelike.  While there are those who believe there exists even higher denominations of space.

http://www.physorg.com/news96027669.html

“PhysOrg is covering an interesting 2-year old paper that proposes an alternative six-dimensional theory of space and time. George Sparling's proposition, based on Einstein's general relativity and Elie Cartan's triality, is a twistor space (read Roger Penrose's latest work). The gist is that space-time is modeled not by four dimensions but by six, and that the extra two dimensions are time-like. Sparling is hoping that tests from the Large Hadron Collider will help prove his theory. The paper is heavy but the PhysOrg article summarizes it nicely."

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0610/0610068v1.pdf

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munty13

Thanks for all the info  BallyZACA, should keep me busy for a few years...

There really is no such thing as time though, and so there's no such thing as six dimensional, or four dimensional, or even one dimensional space. I think science is trying too hard to build on Einstein's Theory of Relativity and applying it to the Universe, but  instead we should be applying it to our perception.

Imagine if you and I were in a room together but that I had been shrunk to a size so small that the distance travelled by electrical signals between neurons was halved. Now remember we are only ever capable of one conscious thought at any given time, but in this experiment I would be thinking twice as fast as you, and you would appear to be talking half as slow as me - but we are both occupying the same space!

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Sputnic

What religion thousands of years old states that we are all part of god? A few modern ones do. The quran describes the solar system as being made from the smoke. As you know new stars form from gas eus nebula (horse head being the most famous) . If science contradicts religion why would such verses be in a religious book? God has never changed the rules, just clarified them.

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Creation and ordering of the universe is seen as an act of prime mercy for which all creatures sing his glories and bear witness to his unity and lordship. According to the Islamic teachings, God is present everywhere without having incarnated in anything.[8] According to the Qur'an, "No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision. He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things" (Qur'an 6:103)[2]

In addition to the twelve main gods and the innumerable lesser deities, ancient Greeks worshiped a deity they called Agnostos Theos, that is: the Unknown god. In Athens, there was a temple specifically dedicated to that god and very often Athenians would swear "in the name of the Unknown god" (Νή τόν Άγνωστον Ne ton Agnoston).[1] Apollodorus, Philostratus and Pausanias wrote about the Unknown god as well.

According to the book of Acts, contained in the Christian New Testament, when the Apostle Paul visited Athens, he saw an altar with an inscription dedicated to that god, and began to proselytize to the Athenians:

22Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you. 24"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. 25And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. 26From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determinded the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. 27God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

A further name for this irreducible, time-and-space-transcending mysterious Truth or Essence of Buddhic Reality is the Dharmakaya (Body of Truth). Of this the Zen master (Zen Buddhism is a Mahayana school), Sokei-An, says:[10]

... dharmakaya [is] the equivalent of God ... The Buddha also speaks of no time and no space, where if I make a sound there is in that single moment a million years. It is spaceless like radio waves, like electric space - intrinsic. The Buddha said that there is a mirror that reflects consciousness. In this electric space a million miles and a pinpoint - a million years and a moment - are exactly the same. It is pure essence ... We call it 'original consciousness' - 'original akasha' - perhaps God in the Christian sense. I am afraid of speaking about anything that is not familiar to me. No one can know what IT is ...

 

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Sputnic

As a muslim I believe that we are all born muslim (to worship god alone) and have an in-built religious sense. What you said about the ancient greeks backs that up. The pantheon was built up around the supreme creator. One of the names of allah is ganeeshe which sounds very similar to the name of the hindu god ganesh. Again over time the true message of monotheism has become distorted. I believe by the unimportant one and its helpers.

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Sputnic

What religion thousands of years old states that we are all part of god? A few modern ones do. The quran describes the solar system as being made from the smoke. As you know new stars form from gas eus nebula (horse head being the most famous) . If science contradicts religion why would such verses be in a religious book? God has never changed the rules, just clarified them.

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BallyZACA

Munty13... it isn't so much a case of trying to build on Professor Einstein's “TofR,” but more a case of having something to build on.  Of course, it makes little difference in which dimension we exist, only that we do (I think?).  For those times when I get confused (being often), and then I bring to mind what my daughter said to me years ago at bout' age 15... "Dad, life's hard... then you die!"  That pretty much ends my conscience search for the dimension I may be dwelling.

Sputnic... whatever you may call the book(s) written, i.e., Quran or the King James Version of the Bible (which, of course, is ONLY King James Version), etc., they were still written by man, not God!  If, not mistaken, Mohammed while hangin' out in a cave (like Osama bin Laden) somewhere in what is today Saudi Arabia, was having an ongoing conversation with the angel Gabriel – right?  Story sounds a whole lot like what “John the Revelator” was going through while stranded on the Island of Patmos.  Just possibly, they were both smokin' that wachy-tobacky, along with the company they were visiting with at the time -- Ya'think?

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Rhonda J Mangus
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at 15:11 on October 2nd, 2008

munty13, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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Sputnic

I think ballyzaca that you are not concentrating on scientific fact and instead are letting media pressure and old fashioned bigotry cloud your judgment.

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