The Solution - Split the USA in half

by CynicalPatriot | April 26, 2011 at 01:44 pm
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This is a teaser for an article I wrote on examiner.com.

"For of you who are not aware, the United States of America is hurtling toward collapse.

Standard and Poors recently reported that it was giving the USA a negative credit outlook as a result of our uncontrolled spending and resulting deficit.

And if you want to believe the dog and pony show the ruling class is putting on, they can't agree on how to resolve the deficit crisis. The Republicans and Democrats are arguing over $39 Billion in spending cuts when the real annual deficit is $1.65 trillion. It seems our country is divided between groups of people with different visions for the future..."

To continue reading for free on Examiner.com: The Solution - Split the USA in half - Minneapolis Independent | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-minneapolis/the-solution-split-the-usa-half#ixzz1KfOJ34Pf

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak
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YankeeJim

Well, Don, I have suggested selling Texas, Alaska, and Hawaii. We can't sell California because it has too much liability.

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Karen Hatter

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Will Right Wing Madness Totally Consume the Republican Party?

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CynicalPatriot

Will people of color jump like trained seals to Karen Hatters continued dance call of "racism, racism" while the single party ruling class Democrats and Republicans continue to betray them, like by bailing out wealthy bankers once again? 

She thinks People of color are that stupid.....

I don't... I think people of color are every bit as intelligent as I am and know when they are being played by political hack operatives like Karen Hatter.

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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Karen Hatter

I would advise you, CynicalPatriot, to review the Code of Conduct for the NowPublic community.

I also would suggest you avoid the use of inappropriate, ad hominem attacks upon my character and restrict your commentary to whatever subject matter may be at hand. 

I have not made personal assessments or attacks regarding you.

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CynicalPatriot

Ms. Hatter...

Pardon me, you wandered onto my article to drive traffic to your writing.

And you promote some drivelish article about alleged Republican Racism inferring that I am a racist.

If you don't like what I write don't read it.  And if you don't want me to respond to your baseless race baiting, don't do you race baiting as a comment to my article.

In short, take your Progressive Edward Bernays style political hack operative road show elsewhere if you don't like the heat in my kitchen.

You seek to divide the Nation while I seek to unify it.

And if NowPublic wants to boot me for defending myself from your false allegations of me being a racist because I am a conservative, then I would prefer not be associated with them.

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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Karen Hatter

Any assumed relationship between yourself and the 40 years of racism stoked by the Republican Party is your own, CP.

You state above:

"You (addressing me, Karen Hatter) seek to divide the Nation while I seek to unify it."

It is perplexing that any reader would somehow be expected to perceive, from reading the article you have written here, which promotes splitting and dividing the United States of America is, by ANY stretch of the imagination, that by offering the idea of splitting the nation, this is a process that seeks to UNIFY the nation.

However, such an idea would tend to be viewed as a Right Wing and extremist concept, given the history of Right Wing extremism and the majority of proponents among the secessionist movement, which was the intent of my posted comments and the link to my article.

I addressed the issue of the racially based and bigoted GOP strategy, CP, which YOU raised here, to address your comments regarding what is partly contained in the linked article. 

I did NOT highlight or mention any of the content from my article regarding the Republican Party's use of the Southern Strategy when I first posted the link to my article here.

The link was posted as an article of related subject matter.  

  

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CynicalPatriot

You appear to be just a sick, race obsessed, race baiting hate monger.  Your article is all about racism.  You appear to imply that I somehow proposed splitting the country based on color.

Your thoughts reveal your true opinion of your own race.  i suggest splitting the country based on those who loved liberty and those who wanted the Government to be their Nanny and take care of them.

Apparently you believe that no black Americans would want or could love liberty and want to take care of themselves.

Stop being a hater and a Progressive Operative.

Stay off my articles if you are going to promote Race baiting.  And stop posting links to your race baiting, hate mongering articles.  People like you are destroying out country.

My desire to associate with hard working liberty loves is not contingent on skin color.

Put that in you pipe and smoke.

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot.

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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Karen Hatter

I repeat, CP, as I wrote above:

"You state above:

"You (addressing me, Karen Hatter) seek to divide the Nation while I seek to unify it."

It is perplexing that any reader would somehow be expected to perceive, from reading the article you have written here, which promotes splitting and dividing the United States of America is, by ANY stretch of the imagination, that by offering the idea of splitting the nation, this is a process that seeks to UNIFY the nation.

However, such an idea would tend to be viewed as a Right Wing and extremist concept, given the history of Right Wing extremism and the majority of proponents among the secessionist movement, which was the intent of my posted comments and the link to my article.

I addressed the issue of the racially based and bigoted GOP strategy, CP, which YOU raised here, to address your comments regarding what is partly contained in the linked article. 

I did NOT highlight or mention any of the content from my article regarding the Republican Party's use of the Southern Strategy when I first posted the link to my article here.

The link was posted as an article of related subject matter." 

Your above comments are factually incorrect. I did not in any way suggest that you were advocating splitting the country based on color. This is an idea at which you arrived wholly on your own.

Whatever objection you may have regarding recorded historical facts at the articles linked here must be reconciled within the recesses of your mind.

CP, all of your attempts to project your beliefs onto my motivations are, as always, incorrect, due to your inability to see beyond what you believe to be a reasonable strategy when, in reality, splitting the nation along ANY lines, including an alleged rationale, as you write above, " .... based on those who loved liberty and those who wanted the Government to be their Nanny and take care of them ...." would be, as I stated above, considered by most within the United States an extremist idea.

As acclaimed constitutional historian Akhil Amar definitively demonstrated in America’s Constitution: A Biography, once states ratified the Constitution, secession was no longer an option — the Constitution allowed for amendments if the people became dissatisfied, but the Constitution in Articles V and VI also “extinguished the right and power of unilateral secession for each state populace that joined the Constitution’s new, more perfect union.”  Not to mention the fact that we fought a bloody civil war over President Lincoln’s vision of this more perfect union — and the Union prevailed.

Nullification and secession might have been reasonable ways to express opposition to federal health care reform, if our country had continued under the fundamentally flawed Articles of Confederation.  But under our enduring Constitution — the real one, not the Constitution According to the Tea Party — such efforts are not just unwise, but unconstitutional.


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CynicalPatriot

You appear to be just a sick, race obsessed, race baiting hate monger.  Your article is all about racism.  You appear to imply that I somehow proposed splitting the country based on color.

Your thoughts reveal your true opinion of your own race.  i suggest splitting the country based on those who loved liberty and those who wanted the Government to be their Nanny and take care of them.

Apparently you believe that no black Americans would want or could love liberty and want to take care of themselves.

Stop being a hater and a Progressive Operative.

Stay off my articles if you are going to promote Race baiting.  And stop posting links to your race baiting, hate mongering articles.  People like you are destroying out country.

My desire to associate with hard working liberty loves is not contingent on skin color.

Put that in you pipe and smoke.

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot.

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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YankeeJim

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/secession
"Most countries have laws that punish persons who secede or attempt to secede. The United States has no specific law on secession, but the federal government and state governments maintain laws that punish Sedition and other forms of insurrection against the government. On the federal level, for example, chapter 115 of title 18 of the U.S. Code Annotated identifies Treason, rebellion, or insurrection, seditious conspiracy, and advocation of the overthrow of the government as criminal offenses punishable by several years of imprisonment and thousands of dollars in fines. These are the types of crimes that can be charged against persons who attempt to secede from the United States.

The U.S. Civil War was the result of the single most ambitious secession in the history of the United States. In February 1861 South Carolina seceded from the Union, and Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas, and Tennessee followed suit shortly thereafter. These states seceded because they objected to attempts by the federal government to abolish the enslavement of black people. The mass secession led to four years of civil war and the death of hundreds of thousands of people. The seceding states established their own government called the Confederate States of America and fought the U.S. military forces with their own army. When the Confederate forces were defeated in April 1865, the seceding states rejoined the United States."

Think again Donald, before you act on your idea.


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CynicalPatriot

My response to Eunuch Yankee Jim is almost as appropriate for you.

I shall waste no more time on you.

Please find someplace else to promote your own articles rather than the comments of my articles...

I hate racists and race baiters.

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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CynicalPatriot

Yankee Jim:

Number 1) If you were following the point of the article, you would know it was a witty way to get people to think about two distasteful outcomes inaction by the government or WE THE PEOPLE will bring. In other words, to cause them to act BEFORE ACTUAL IN THE STREETS VIOLENT REVOLUTION IS NECESSARY.

Number 2) I pretty sure King George made similar comments to George Washington and the other Founding Fathers.

Number 3) WE THE PEOPLE AND TRUE PATRIOTS HAVE A DUTY REBEL WHEN THE GOVERNMENT HAS IGNORED THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS.

NUMBER 4) Tell the Government to stop using Progressive Edward Bernays type Propaganda and Censorship to lie to WE THE PEOPLE.

Number 5) I have tried all the legal methods to roll back the tyranny.  I have been denied my Right to Petition the Court for Redress of grievances and they have destroyed my life for attempting said petition.

Number 6) Go find your place hiding amongst the children while we adults work things out.

Number 7) I rather die on my feet, live on my knees before tyrants masquerading as elected officials with integrity.

Number 8) Unlike spineless wimps like you, I am willing to die or go to prison over Liberty and other Natural Rights.

Number 9) Spineless wimps like you wanting to suckle at the teat of the nanny state got us into this position.

Number 10) Does your boyfriend keep your gonads in a jar in the back of  the freezer?

Famous Quote from Samuel Adams 
"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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Karen Hatter

When seeking an explanation for the racial missteps exhibited by various members of the Republican Party across the nation, which had been most glaring at the beginning of the 2008 U.S. presidential race, gaining momentum and rolling along ever since, ranking at the top of the list of explanations should/must be the strategy used by the GOP for over 40 years.

The Southern Strategy, suggested by Richard Nixon, with the name said to be the invention of his strategist Kevin Phillips, lies at the very heart of a plan that would play upon race and fear as a motivating factor. 

This plan sought to attract White southern males to the Republican Party while using fear of Black voters' enrollment en masse in the Democratic Party as the bait meant to assure the enrollment of White voters into the GOP. 

Kevin Phillips, in an interview in 1970, stated: 

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don’t need any more than that… but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. 

The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.

My observations regarding the Republican Party note that if a race based strategy is used to increase enrollment in the organization, seeking to exploit racial differences and possible biases, indeed there will be those types of elements and individuals attracted to the organization. 

I am not the creator of the racially charged Southern Strategy that was used by the GOP for over 40 years. It is historical fact.

There will be those that will think splitting the nation in half a Right Wing extremist solution.

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Karen Hatter

In addition to race, the major motivating factor at the heart of the Southern Strategy, according to Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips, as laid out in Nixon's Southern Strategy: 'It's All in the Charts' ....

.... it was premised on the alleged hostility of Irishmen, Italians and Poles, whose ethnic traits were conservative, toward Jews, Negroes and affluent Yankees, whom history had made liberal. There were more of the former and they were ineluctably trending Republican.

"You'll see it working in the 1966 elections," promised Phillips. "It's all in the charts."

 

It is true that racism and bigotry are tools wielded by those in power. At this juncture in history, the historical reality of the recruitment policies used by the Republican Party for the past 40 years bears witness to the adage 'You reap what you sow'.

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World_Groove

45 years have come and gone since the thoughts of 1966. There have been and there still exist racist in both Major political parties, and that racism is not singular towards persons of African decent, nor has it increased toward them during that period. 

I did not read any Racism in the article, though it was brought up in the comments made after a story was linked in comments made which did cover portions of the racism topic.

There comes a time when a wronged people must throw of the mantle of shame and blame of the past which they choose to wear and stand proudly cloaked in the present as the true equals they are.

The pendulum of anti racism fight swings ever closer to a racial discrimination in the opposite with each year that passes with fixated backwards looking eyes.

We can not forget the wrongs of societies past, but neither can we continue to dwell on them and expect to move forward hand and hand. 

It is my opinion that if the charges of racism in this nation do not lessen, then indeed we will find ourselves as a nation and society sliding back towards those caveman beliefs. If you accuse innocent persons long enough, they will out of frustration, lash out by taking up the beliefs foisted upon them.

To Karen, I can never fully know your heart and mind as I have not lived your life. I can merely sympathize the best I can. I mean no disrespect to you, but I just do not understand this issue of accused "Racism" in 2011. I do not see it. I agree it happens to all races, creeds and colors on varied scales, but I just do not see it existing as a popular belief or movement in the United States today. I truly am sorry if you feel you are subjected to racist attacks or thinking.

Just my few semi copper pennies......

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The 1

CynicalPatriot, I find your thoughts of interest..Somehow in the end, it's not about divide as much as it is about unity. Finding answers that will bring not only a stronger and more viable America, but a better life for all in unity_for those who still believe and call America their home.

On a side note, I noticed the discord between you and Karen Hatter. For whatever reason, two people inadvertently get off on the wrong foot at times. I actually find Karens thoughts provoking at times; never specifically racist or without foundation. I'm sure whatever her reason were in posting here on your tread, that she certainly wasn't intentionally trying to upset you or mislead any of your readers. I hope can consider that_as we all have gotten the wrong idea of someones intent at times.

As I say, we all actually look forward to hearing more thoughts like these you present, possibly provoking engaged discussion resolving the idea of;

 "our country is divided between groups of people with different visions for the future"

Thxs_1

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CynicalPatriot

To The 1

My intent in writing this article was to cause people to consider "What if?" and how distasteful that course of action would be.

But if we don't do something to unify WE THE PEOPLE, our enemies within and without will do just that, divide the USA into separate, irrelevant political entities.

As for the Mad Hatter, she has a long history with me of race baiting.

I cannot reconcile that someone who wants to engage in such behavior... unless and until they recant, apologize and swear off using the race baiting tactic in the future.

It is hard enough as a white guy to wear my opposition to racism on my sleeve, without being accused of being, or being associated, with persons who are allegedly overtly nor covertly racist.

Those were my thoughts.

In Liberty,

Don Mashak

Article Author

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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The 2

Our country is divided between those who want limited government, respect for law as guided by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights and those who want totalitarian military rulers who sidestep all three branches of government and control all media while secretly committing genocide on true patriots -- and you know who you are.

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polemicleader

when patriot and hatter resume  their words on racism,i pray they might remember these.racism is a thought.all men are thinkers.all men are racists.

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Jordan Yerman

My thoughts on this thread aren't quite as gentle as The 1's. More along the lines of "CynicalPatriot seems to be throwing a sort of text-tantrum, and is in danger of being banned due to TOS violations". Not sure why you escalated this to such a degree.

This is your warning not to it again or your account will be blocked.


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CynicalPatriot

If this forum is such a bastion of liberal bias that I get chastised for defending myself and those I associate with from accusation of racism, then kick my butt off here.

I will not be associated with nor contribute to any group that tolerates racism nor race baiting.

I expect and demand an apology.

I don't care how much of a friend and Political Operative Ally Karen hatter is to you.

She attacked me on my article which said nothing about race.

She posted links to her articles that were patently race baiting.

You have been hugely biased in taking her side in this affair.

Either show me where I said anything about racism and/or was racist in my article or apologize.

Put up or shut up.

This is your warning that NowPublic is about to be label a Progressive, Race baiting Rag.

Those were my thoughts.

Don Mashak

The Cynical Patriot.

http://twitter.com/dmashak

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Jordan Yerman

No apology is forthcoming. What I will do, however, is link to the NowPublic Code of Conduct: I recommend reading it, then taking a second look at the thread above. 

Note that being blocked means that all of your content gets deleted.

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FaithlessTemplar

banning cynical patriot for expressing his opinion here would be farcical, I do not believe that you are threatening him over that.

I think the real reason you are threatening to ban him is because he has upset the nowpublic golden girl Karen Hatter.

Karen is a good writer and has produced some interesting articles but cynical patriot does have a point, Karen has a tendency to see racism everywhere.

There is nothing racist at all about the article, anyone can see that, banning cynical would only show us that only specific opinions will be tolerated on nowpublic.

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The 1

"I think the real reason you are threatening to ban him is because he has upset the nowpublic golden girl Karen Hatter."  lol

Karen might be good at arousing awareness, thought, and dialogue, but a golden girl ?  lol

"Karen has a tendency to see racism everywhere".. ?

To me Karen expresses a more enlightened, insightful depth and sensitivity to racism and racist tendencies and attitudes..Why assume this is or could be exhibiting racism or a racist attitude ? I personally respect Karen's opinion and extensive knowledge on these matters. I believe she may actually understand such tendencies at a deeper level than many see or admit to themselves. I don't find her input racist, racist leaning, or exhibiting a tendency toward skewing any meaning on that subject.

Introducing a broader view of some subject matter, isn't specifically showing a tendency to see racism everywhere. If individuals have nothing to hide, they shouldn't feel threatened by this.

I'm seeing an overreaction to Ms. Hatters input and thoughts in this matter. This topic of 'Split the USA in half' could definitely have included aspects or thoughts on racism in some politically divided America. It is a broad specifically undefined subject overall. All comments should have at least been welcomed imo..

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FaithlessTemplar


I never said that her comments were unwelcome, they are. But so too are cynical patriots , yours, and mine.

I never accused Karen of being racist, I do not believe she is. However she often brings racism into the foreground for her own personal interest.

Typical knee-jerk reactions of "hater, hater, racist!" are tedious and require no 'special understanding' whatsoever.

Who is frightened? And of course people are going to get pissy when someone accuses them of doing something they didnt do. Wouldnt you?

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The 1

My response was for several previous posts including CynicalPatriot , not just your comments Faithless Templar_

Btw your additional comment of..

"Typical knee-jerk reactions of "hater, hater, racist!" are tedious and require no 'special understanding' whatsoever."

Applied to all, I agree with.

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Karen Hatter

As I noted in previous comments here, the reason for posting the link to my article was related subject matter.

My first posted comment here at this thread provides a link to my article that addresses various strategies advocated by the Right Wing, which has come to dominate today's Republican Party. Among those strategies is the tactic of secession, a tactic that has been promoted for decades on Right Wing media talk radio.

Despite refusal to acknowledge an idea to split the nation in half as an extremist idea, with fully articulated ideas on how this solution would work available at the link to the complete post of this article at Examiner.com, the idea can and would be considered by most an extremist idea.

The disintegration of this discussion thread, in the form of misdirection from the original topic, is an interesting ploy that deflects the discussion from the specific subject matter addressed here at this comment thread, which is, splitting the United States of America in two.

The belief CynicalPatriot has derived from any of the material linked within my article(s) that he has been called or is thought to be a racist is a mantle he has chosen to assume on his own.

As I stated here already, the first linked article is about the Right Wing and extremist tendencies and an idea that says split the country in half would fall neatly into the category of Right Wing extremism. 

As is my understanding, most U.S. secession issues and the movement itself revolves around efforts to amplify states rights while attempting to nullify U.S. federal authority over the states, a goal not necessarily linked to racism.

All other links and information regarding race were added to address the references made by CynicalPatriot as he has responded to elements within the linked article, elements that had not been previously highlighted here by me to indicate CynicalPatriot to be or define him as a racist.

Racism inherent in any of the groups mentioned in the linked article has a verified historical basis that has been covered by media sources independent of this site.

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The 1

I would agree with Karen's comments relating to this articles topic of The Solution - Split the USA in half..

"various strategies advocated by the Right Wing, which has come to dominate today's Republican Party. Among those strategies is the tactic of secession"..

"the idea can and would be considered by most an extremist idea."

"most U.S. secession issues and the movement itself revolves around efforts to amplify states rights while attempting to nullify U.S. federal authority over the states"

"Racism inherent in any of the groups mentioned ..has a verified historical basis that has been covered by media sources.."

In many ways this subject topic could even specifically relate to historical record of the Civil War. The country (USA) then politically split in two..

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