Surviving the Holocaust Does Not Mean You're Allowed to Rape

Couldn't agree more.

Charles Manson's followers killed Sharon Tate, Roman Polanski's fiancee. I am not sure that this trauma, the awful way it happened, did not contribute to his problem. 

When I add the WWII experiences to the brutal murder of Sharon Tate, I see a lot to deal with.

I am not saying that he shouldn't go to jail. I am saying I would like to hear a trained investigator explain what aspects of Polanski's then character defects resulted or were simply made worse.

There is no excuse for rape, period, I think. Regardless of who you are, but he has been through a lot in his life.

Good thing his deck of excuses didnt have a race card in it!

I didn't offer an excuse. I offered a sense of impairment.

I have no urge to do such a thing. Anyone who has such an urge, especially with a 13 year old, must have had something go wrong in his development to create such an urge.

Do you agree?

Well, Polaski is not Ted Bundy.

He should go to jail. We should find out what is what in his psyche before rendering a final judgment on him.

Let me ask you, Alexander, do you choose not to rape 13 year olds or do you lack the urge to rape them?

We know that normal men don't choose not to rape 13 year olds because even the thought never occurs to us.

We choose not to cheat on our spouses, though. I have been tempted to cheat and passed that test. I can even say I enjoyed the temptation :), but I did not succumb.

But, I have no urge to commit a crime such as Polanski's.

Now, I am willing to hypothesize that you could end up doing what Polanski did by just giving in to the exaltation of crimes which were similar, create a type of addiction and then do what he did.

I am just saying that I don't have enough information to judge Polanski morally. Legally, he is guilty, guilty as hell and he is guilty of running away as well.

But, morally, and that enters into what kind of punishment is appropriate for this felon named Roman Polanski, I feel I need to know more.

Was he ever sodomized in WWII, for example, by some German or Russian soldiers or by civilians who took advantage of the chaos of the war to "help" him and then raped him? 

I wonder.

Just remember that he raped her vaginally first and then anally (this is generally the scenes in erotic movies progress). I really do not know if German or Russian soldiers raped him vaginally ...

The reason I gave the example of serial killers is that their killings are analyzed to learn why people rape and what are their backgrounds. Jerry Brudos (fetish serial rapist) for example was not taken care by her mother because the mother wanted a daughter. Later, Jerry developed fetish for girls underwear and killed, raped, mutilated many young women. Yes, he is innocent!!

Also, if some person develops raping urges (and rapes minors in the consequence) because he was tortured by German or Russian soldiers, then the person is dangerous for the civilians and should be kept in the jail so that they cant harm anyone else. I wonder if this analogy applies to this Holocaust survivor .. 

I was in LA when this all happened. I know the details very, very well. I used to read the LA Times cover to cover daily.

I said he is a felon, a criminal. You people just don't want to look at how someone ends up being a monster, and want to make it all their fault.

He is not a serial killer and if he was serially going after teens, he has stopped that. He is not, at this time, a danger to society.

Having said that, he should go to jail. I have said it again and again.

Yes, if he were dangerous to society, he should be held until he was not dangerous. But you don't become dangerous this way without outside stimulus affecting you negatively.

And, that has to be taken into consideration as we judge him morally.

Are u a mental psychiatric Roy? How do u know he had been going serially after teens and how can u be sure he had stopped now? Do u know something that we dont? Look Mr. psychiatric this pedophile should be in the jail so that the judge can prosecute him "morally", "spiritually" and "physically".

If he has suffered trauma from the Germans and Russians as a result of which he has raped a 13 year old girl vaginally and then anally then this trauma can trigger him to do such heinous crime again.

The dangerous survivor must be kept in mental asylum for the safety of other 13 year old so that they dont get rapped by him.

The other pedophiles and perverts will be happy to read your arguments. Knowing the 'fact' that they have become dangerous in the influence of stimulus that has affected them negatively.

Therefore, all the heinous crimes, pain and sufferings, mutilation, rape inflicted by these criminals are not actually their fault. Its some outside negative stimulus.

The victims such as the 13 year old girls will be happy to realize your argument too.

The "other" pedophiles?

I want to know all the facts of his life before judging him morally. I have said it twice. That is different than judging him legally.

Legally, he is very guilty. I have already said twice that he should be in prison. What do you want from me?

You would like to believe that evil generated itself out of nothing. Sorry, guy. That ain't the case.

I suggest you read Ghosts from the Nursery by Karr-Morse and Wiley.

And, yes, I took a course from a training psychoanalyst, many psych courses to boot, and have read a lot in the area.

Now, if you look at Ted Bundy's background, Hitler's background, Stalin's background, you find great trauma of both brain and personality, the combination that produces psychopathic behavior, makes them essentially untreatable and in need of a permanent lock-up or the death penalty.

That is the way it  works. Ugly children come from ugly homes. I am talking about their behavior, not their looks.

If you are normal, then good. Thank your parents, and their parents for raising them well and thank yourself for not screwing it up.

Oh my goodness alexander!  How you think Roy "excuses" Polanski for his crime because of his past I do not quite see.

Alice Millers's book on For Your On Good which I have discussed here does not excuse the worst criminal that we know of.  It does shed light on how these pathetic people come to inflict pain on others.

I don't think anyone at Now Public supports this apologetic.  It is the Hollywood Loons who are on this wagon.  Where here does anyone say it is not his fault?  Everyone here wants him to face the consequences.  I wish his assets could be frozen and donated to building centers for rape victims.  Why does all the outrage not support really putting money where the victim can be helped..

  Most pedophiles are damaged environmentally and organically....I do not think they can be "cured".  Most people who have been emotionally damaged and physically beaten never can get over it without a long time in cognitive and bioenergetic therapy.

As I said in my article here (I think I did) why just now have they got him?

They are like alcoholic's.  I do not know the statistics but addicts fall off the wagon all the time. It is why so many people are enraged that a pedophile is allowed light sentencing.  Some judges still think there is a cure....it takes a very long time and intense pain for them to do it so it is a rarity for one to do it....just like the alcoholic they have tofight the urge continuosly so no child should have to ever have one in the neighborhood but there are because of stupid , uneducated judges.  You r   outrage should be about  the Judges not someone giving information about the sick dude's history.

It is anger like this that I will never post my picture or career information here

   You want to get personal in attacking someone because?   A pedophile talks with others now on the web, chatrooms etc. and their own families will enable and protect them  in their ignorance ...excuses.  It is an incurable disease.  It is worse than addiction

"WE" must look at what happens...in real incurable mental illness it takes two or more as I said causes for it to manifest.

s not needing any ammunition..  They do it no matter what the odds when they want....in a matter of seconds they can rape a child.

I am just saying that I don't have enough information to judge Polanski morally. Legally, he is guilty, guilty as hell and he is guilty of running away as well.

I think the more is he started another relationship with a very young girl.  He has an inferior masculine to need a young woman to dominate.  He definitely could have harmed other young women that have not talked for the shame or a pay off.

Hey we have lots of stars we applaud just because they have great pipes or can pretend but their morals are basically "amoral"...yet they get the magazine covers, the money, and even Congress grovels around them.  It is who Obama loves to invite to the White House.  Our culture is one of Narcissism...try reading Sam Vaknin and  The Culture of Narcissism.

LMAO, Roy. You know, I can thank my parents but I dont think u can, because I suspect that yr mother does not know who yr father is.

If you are normal, then good. Thank your parents, and their parents for raising them well and thank yourself for not screwing it up.

How dare u talk this nonsense man. U r the one who argued that if German or Russian have raped someone anally it might be possible that this someone is going to rape a 13 year old girl anally! Your mental delinquency is not worth debating.

QueensHart, read the argument that Roy has proposed here ... Im confident that u are going to understand it.

Read the testimony of the 13 yr old girl here (page 1-18): http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskia1.html

Page (19-end): http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskib1.html

This is her grand jury testimony. First he gave her alcohol to loosen her up most likely then he gave her drugs (Elizabeth Smart who was kidnapped when she was 14 just testified yesterday that the man who kidnapped and raped her daily gave her alcohol and drugs to make her less resistant). Polanski knew her age, he knew that she was a child. She testified that she was feeling very uncomfortable (in way over her head and recognized it) and asked a few times to be taken home going so far as to tell him that she had asthma and the warm water and cold air was making it difficult for her to breathe and she needed to go home and take her medicine. She had gone back to the room and started putting her clothes back on when he came in and took them off. She testified at the time that she was telling him no the whole time. When you are 13 and small a little drugs and alcohol have more of an effect than when you are much bigger. She has never reneged on her testimony, she has only said that she forgives him and that she wants to let it drop. The problem is this...she may want to let it drop (possibly because of the settlement he gave her a few years back), but most people who will rape one child will rape others. They just get smarter at hiding it once they get caught the first time. Morally the court is obligated to prosecute him.

A:"I said that I wanted to go home."
Q:"What did Mr. Polanski say?"
A:"He told me to go in the other room and lie down."
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Q: "What were you afraid of?"
A: "Him."
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A: "He sat down beside me and asked me if I was okay."
Q: "What did you say, if anything?"
A: I said, "No."
Q: "What did he say?"
A: "He goes, you'll be better. And I go, "No, I won't. I have to go home."
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This is a little while after giving the 13 year old a Quaalude and champagne. And just before he rapes and sodomizes her while she repeatedly asks him to stop.