Taking sides in Iranian election

by nk | June 17, 2009 at 06:24 am
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Many Westerners, especially those on Twitter have made up their minds: a) we must take sides in the events following the Iran Elections b) particularly, Mir-Hossein Mousavi's side.

First of all, our knowledge of Iran is spotty at best, you can read more in this excellent article. So what do we know about Iran elections? The current president, Ahmadinejad, got twice as many votes as Mousavi. Quite predictably, immediately allegations were made that there was election fraud. No one knows whether there were and if there were, then they could answer for the huge win.

Despite Ahmadinejad's track record of speaking heavily against Israel (called for the dissolving it and denied holocaust) and the USA, compared to Mousavi, he is innocent as today born lamb. Mr. Mousavi is known to have taken significant part in the hostage crisis in 1979 while Ahmadinejad is only alleged with this. Later, in 1998, Mousavi was one of the responsible for the mass execution of political prisoners. We can also find him among the founders of Hezbollah.

All this does not mean that Ahmadinejad has any right whatsoever to stop protests violently -- but are you sure you want to take sides between these two charming guys when you absolutely have no clue of who is supported by the Iranian majority and why?

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nagba

cute.... so which to choose... the bad or the worse... and... which is which... ?

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sara star

Lively debate at the least.

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albertacowpoke

Thank you for this article, it is certainly food for thought.

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René

I hope the people of Iran get their freedom back, from the invaders.


Reports of results announced before vote counted, or even cast in many districts and in the country. sounds pretty suspicious to me.

and yeah, I know Moussavi is suspect. but people can change. maybe.

The problem is the rulers would not allow many to run for the election. threats and attempts at assassination discouraged many others.

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nk

"The problem is the rulers would not allow many to run for the election. threats and attempts at assassination discouraged many others."

The Guardian Council in Iran supervises the election and they accept or refuse candidates. I really wonder where you read "threats and attempts at assassination". See a list for example here.

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René

Hey, nk, lost the original story link for the threats and attempts at assassination, but it was an Iranian blog. had a crash and lost the list of notes with the links.

In the meantime, here's some about that 'illusion' you must think I am suffering from:

threats, subtle and not so subtle.
Iran warns


Karrubi ridicules assassination threats
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Khatami threatened, may be the reason he withdrew.






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Arancaytar

I wouldn't say I'm taking sides in the election, as such. The side I support is that of evading and opposing censorship and communication controls wherever they occur.

I could not care less whether the Iranian people elected Ahmadinejad or Moussavi. But all in all, if a government attempts to strangle its citizen's electronic access rights, then I will cheerfully take the side of circumventing that. I'm currently setting up a web proxy.


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nk

So if a government acts violently and oppressively against an uprising that immediately makes you support those that uprise?

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Arancaytar

Up to a point, yes. I'm concerned when the uprising is also violent (and I'm sure that parts of it are, protests being what they are). I don't support fighting in the streets or beating up policemen.

Access to information and communication, however, must remain inviolate.

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Roy C

Good article and good point.

Today, Amy Kelogg on Fox said that Mousavi had "morphed". I don't remember the details of the evidence.

What does interest me is that Mousavi doesn't want the "morality police" running around checking on haircuts and the rest. I would guess that this feeling was behind the great support from university students for Mousavi. 

How we treat our own citizens, friends and family, tells us what kind of person we are dealing with. So, if the morality police issue is one that supports Mousavi, perhaps it is fair to infer that there is more light on his side.

Certainly it is difficult to support Ahmadinejad at all.

At some point all this will come to a head with a confrontation with the mullahs themselves who are responsible for the mis-count, whether Mousavi has won or lost the election.

Transparency leads to accountability and reduces the power of elites, and that is really what this protest is about. Transparency doesn't exist and therefore trust cannot exist, while the mullahs exercise power as narcissistic patriarchs "who know better".

The trust and mutual regard at the basis of society is called "the body of Christ" in the Christian tradition, or agape, brotherly love in the Greek philosophic tradition. Right now, there big table for sharing bread, celebrating the brotherhood of Iran, has been overthrown. 

Only real healing will produce real unity for Iran as a civil society. Pseudo-solutions will not do, yet, short of a revolution that denies the mullahs their power, I don't see a way for this situation to be truly resolved.

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Freso

I don't side with either of the presidential candidates, I side with the people. And from what I've seen, people are being slaughtered en masse by the Iranian "security" forces. Being familiar with police brutality from personal and 2nd hand experiences (to a much lesser degree, admitted), I don't care which one the people are gathering for. The State should not use it's monopole on violence to try and silence them.

And yes, I do and will support any uprising against government, even if I may not always support the means of that uprising.

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sonfilmizle

?????

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Patrick Hanlon

The election has been an opportunity for people to protest against the entire regime, not merely the outcome of the 2009 election.  Sustained protested are creating fissures within the regime that will lead to integral change throughout the upper echelons of the ruling class.  The reformers who have been shut out of power for so long will have an opportunity to assert more influence.  The Iranian people will be the winners in this and former President Khatami is most likely to emerge from this with the reputation required to calm his people and represent the country internationally.

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