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Third party in the offing?
This piece was pointed out to me by my good friend, scholar and researcher Warren Bonesteel:
With the pulling out of the GOP candidate in New York's Congressional race due to the independent, there is much talk about the future of the partisan wars: Will a third party be created, from the ashes of one of the old (most likely the GOP)?
As in the days of the Civil War, will a party go the way of the Whigs? (which gave rise to the Republican party of today)
It hasn't always been this way. Look back 40 years, and Washington behaved in a quite different manner, with Democrats and Republicans both showing far more willingness to break ranks and reach across the aisle to the other side. In 1969, for example, House Democrats voted with their party's majority just 61% of the time and House Republicans just 62% of the time. In other words, lockstep voting was roughly a third less prevalent than it is today.This picture of relentless partisanship is taking a toll on both parties' standing with the public. It's also taking a toll on President Barack Obama, who came to office offering the hope that he'd change the way the capital works, and specifically pull it out of its partisan ruts. Americans don't appear to think he's succeeding on that front. In the Journal/NBC News poll, the share who gave him good marks for uniting the country has fallen to 38% now from 60% in January.
But as problematic as this situation is for Mr. Obama, it also carries big risks for Republicans. In fact, they are generating more negative feelings than are Democrats right now, and tend to be blamed more for partisan divides. Asked specifically who was more to blame for the partisanship in Washington, 57% said both parties equally, but 24% named the Republicans while 17% cited the Democrats.
The survey also makes it possible to identify the Americans who really say, "A pox on both your houses." Some 13% of those surveyed said they had negative views of both parties. Those folks are slightly more male than female, a little older than the general population, a bit more affluent and more likely to be Republican than Democrat in their roots. If you want to start a third party, there's your base.
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at 12:53 on November 1st, 2009
This trend does not bode well for the Republican Party. The demographic that makes up the majority of the "conservative" tea party element of the Party is white senior citizens and the diminishing rural population. They don't identify as Republicans anymore. They are now identifying as conservatives. But come election time, they won't be voting Democratic. If a third party emerges from this purging of the Republican Party, the new party can't get enough of the growing demographic that is minority and despised by the new version of the John Birch Society.
at 13:12 on November 1st, 2009
nanute: Don't worry! I've got the third-party thing all figured out! I've already been in contact with members of the CPUSA, Birchers, and disaffected Democrats and Republicans. Collectively we've already sold 10,000 gallons of MINCHIA Kool Aid and there's more on the way.
at 13:15 on November 1st, 2009
The American Independent Party is a third party. It was created in 1969 by George Wallace Democrats as a split from the Johnson Democrats. In California, it is still a recognized party on the ballot. Due to a split in the party in 2008, its future is precarious.
Republicans are struggling in an identity crisis which became ever more apparent with the last election and the GOP Conservative side rekindled by Sarah Palin. (Sorry for invoking her, but here it's necessary.) It's not unusual for candidiates to chose a VP running mate who garners votes from a source not prominent by the presidential candidate. JFK chose Johnson because he was a Southerner and needed those votes. Mc Cain chose Palin for the fundementalist vote. A clever presidental ticket units the struggling entities and brings the party back to what on the surface appears to be a centist position.
Finally, the name of the game is money. It takes a lot of money to run a campaign and just saying you want another party does not mean you can get the financial support to make it work. That is if being a real contender for the presidency is the goal. But if just making a statement against an ideology is the goal and concrete aspirations are not, then anyone can create their own party. We could create one here!
Spliting the Republicans for whatever reason would be great for us Democrats!
at 13:54 on November 1st, 2009
Spot on a2111.. And that is what scares the living daylights out of so called mainstream Republicans. The moneyed class will never support the fringe element that has been created by the Nixon Southern Strategy. They've conveniently divided the country along primarily ethnic/ racial lines and now they can't put the evil genie back in the bottle. They'll never admit it, and will cry victimization till the cows come home and pigs fly.
at 14:16 on November 1st, 2009
Moneyed class=big business interests who rake in the profits for the moneyed class stock holders, indeed, will never support a fringe candidate. I agree the divide is along racial lines, but also religious ideological lines. And let's face it--the fundamentalists might be outspoken, but for the most part they are definitely not the moneyed class and their influence for elections might have sway on legislative elections, but not so much on presidential. But I am an equal opportunity person. Everyone deserves to be represented---just not elected president!
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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpokeat 15:02 on November 1st, 2009
Smk I think you hit the nail on the head here. This is why the RNC was quick to announce that they're throwing their support behind Dough Hoffman. They want a piece of the pie.
at 15:04 on November 1st, 2009
Thanks, and yes, you are right. ;)
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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpokeat 15:10 on November 1st, 2009
I think people underestimate the so-called fringe movement. I think as events move along they are getting tired of what either party has to offer. From my viewpoint I also think Americans are sick and tired of the constant fights between Democrats and Republicans without any tangible results coming out of Congress.
Even with the promise of Change and Hope, Americans see politics as usual in he halls of power in Washington.
Interestingly enough in Alberta just recently a new party evolved called the Wildrose Alliance (the Wildrose is our Provincial Flower). This movement has evolved because of people's mistrust of the traditional parties. This party has a real chance of becoming viable alternative during the next election. I has already overtaken the opposition parties.
at 15:55 on November 1st, 2009
cowpoke and smk
I see your point of view of the slow momentum of a fringe movement, but I don't see the clout of a single agenda party having much power to elect presidents. My heart wrenches to have to use the Green Party as an example because my heart is with their causes, but they exist as a counter weight to non conservationist politics in both main parties. I am glad they exist because they have the freedom to support minority conservation positions and bring them to the forefront in elections they participate in. Will it continue if Ralph Nader retires? Only time will tell, but few men have the influence for change he has had over the years.
Movements for change need a Hero. Who will be the Hero of the third party? I am not being facious. Sarah Palin is a single subject hero. She won't due.
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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpokeat 17:59 on November 1st, 2009
Surprisingly enough the Wildrose Party had a candidate emerge that was multi-faceted. Nobody knows what can happen to a fringe movement over 2 or 3 years. I agree with your points on Ralph Nader.
The Green Party hasn.t gained much momentum in Canada either,even though about four years ago the environment was the number one priority of Canadians. If they had a dynamic leader and fought on more issues with the environment as a priority, they may fare better.
at 04:36 on November 2nd, 2009
Any viable parties are welcome, in my opinion. Gives us disgruntle little people more choices.
Just hope we get some choices that reflect our concerns, instead of fueling their egos.