'Too Big to Fail' even Bigger now

by PIM of SPAIN | October 23, 2009 at 09:52 am
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Companies paying bosses vast bonuses while getting state assistance offended peoples' values, says President Obama. Timmy Geithner the Treasurer says, seven companies must slash the basic salaries of their 25 best-paid employees by up to 90%.

Additionally the US Federal Reserve wants to prevent bank bosses from taking excessive risks while pursuing bonuses. It proposes being able to veto the pay of any employee able to take risks that might threaten a firm's stability. But the Fed said it would not set pay caps or outlaw specific practices.

At the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh no plan for general caps on the amount banks could pay out was produced.

Actually politicians say a lot about bonuses, but little has been undertaken or achieved on this subject. Why is nothing serious undertaken in this respect? Because the banking clique does have their influences in high places and politicians want to clean their images for us taxpayers because of re-elections strategy. Isn’t this a blatant violation of people’s and taxpayers interests? It is a great very grave injustice.

So for all taxpayers’ troubles, providing the billions that were paid in bailouts, the tireless political battles, the violent market swings, what have been delivered in return? ‘Too Big to Fail’ banks are even bigger, and they are hoarding their larger market share. They hardly can be blamed for it, with such an easy ride as the Feds provide them, - you would be thief of yourself - however the taxpayer is swindled on the largest scale ever.

Some details: “In the year ending June 30, the biggest five banks in the US grew deposits by 29%, the FDIC said this week. In dollar terms, that's over $852 billion in deposits over the last year. But in spite of this, and the over $100 billion in TARP funds they've received, lending has increased only $564 billion.”
"How Wall Street Will Kill the Recovery," is a headline in BusinessWeek magazine.

Finally, everyone is catching on learning how it works. The big banks take the feds' money, and then they speculate with it, or lend it back to the Fed for an easy 4% gain.

Moreover: “It is much easier to manipulate speculative markets than it is to manipulate the real economy. Want to drive up prices? Just give speculators some free money to play with! Guarantee their debts! Bail them out of their stupid positions! That's what the feds have done. And that's why the banks - the recipients and conduits for the free money - are making profits. Goldman allocated $527,000, per employee, in compensation for the first 9 months of this year.” That is an increase of 46% over last year.

It has become very unprofitable to hold cash; the feds are creating more of it every day. Minimal rate of return on cash is obtained, while other assets go up. The feds can't stop this game, or change course, not without sinking the whole economy down the drain. Talk are going on about an 'exit strategy.' But there is no exit at all! Remember cash was created when the feds "monetized the debt" by buying US Treasury bonds. To exit from this strategy the monetary base has got to be reduced, but then the feds have to sell all those monetized bonds back into the open market. Imagine what will happen to the bond market when investors realize that the Fed is selling! It's not going to happen. Instead, “that $1 trillion increase in the monetary base is more or less permanent, and it's eventually going to turn up as inflation.”

The feds clearly don’t have an idea what is going on in the market. They consistently underestimate the market and the economic situation they are in. While they consistently overestimate their own capabilities.

"How much is too much?" According to the record, compiled and analyzed by professors Reinhart and Rogoff, it's impossible to say exactly. “One nation can support public debt of 200% of its GDP (Japan comes to mind)...another cracks up at 50% (think of Argentina). A man like Donald Trump can carry millions in debt...another goes broke if you lend him 20 bucks.”

So, how much is too much debt? It depends on to what is looked a;: the quantity of money, the value of assets in store, whether earnings are shrinking or growing, and a number of other questions. While the answers aren't simple, this question still should be asked: If one runs up a debt, how is this going to be paid back? What will happen if someone doesn’t pay back at all?

A professor at the University of Basel, Peter Bernholz, thinks he has the answer. “He studied instances of hyperinflation. He believes that hyperinflation any time the government spends 166% or more of what it receives in revenues. This should set off alarm bells.”

For the record: “The US budget is now about 170% of tax receipts.”

“The feds can't repay the record amounts they're borrowing - not without a major political crisis. They'd have to cut spending and raise taxes so dramatically it would cause a backlash.” The parasites would revolt. It would probably unseat the ruling party and break the repayment plan.

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albertacowpoke

PIM Thanks for this story.  I heard yesterday on a business show, that this capping of bailed out company wages and benefits is actually counterproductive.

The premise was that by limiting the salaries of these executives it will have two effects:

a.  they would leave their present company and go to one that offers at least what they are earning now;

b.  it could get other Wall Street companies to lower their salaries causing the affected executives to move to Europe or Asia where they can continue to be paid the salaries and bonuses desired.

What are your feelings on this?


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Babel-Fish

The answer is of course extra tax on bonuses, as its really difficult to actually tell, demand that a company or bank limits it bonuses. Its actual could be deemed as a infringement of rights.   

Tax is the best option for government 90% should be about right if the amount goes over a suggested limit. Of course governments can suggest limits and peg tax if the suggestion is overridden.



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Roy C

Morally speaking, there should be caps on salaries for companies that took bail-out money. You pay back the money WITH INTEREST, and then you can answer only to the stockholders.

The policy isn't bad, but is it legal? Is it in the TARP bill? Is it constitutional? If the answer is no, then the policy can't be done.

All the other Wall Street firms that pay big have taken money as well is my impression. The other ones are dead.


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Hugh Askew

Have to disagree with you on this one, Roy.

Unless there were conditions attached to taking the bail-out money, i think it is a company choice as to compensation for their employees.

Do i think the pay/bonus amounts are obscene?  Absolutely!!

Am i outraged that they are using my money to pay those people those obscene amounts? Entirely and without reservation.

Are the corporations incredibly arrogant for using my money in this manner?  I feel as if they are thumbing their collective noses at us.

Can the government dictate the conditions? If it is a loan, surely.

In spite of all that, if the gummit screwed up, and failed to attach prudent limitations as a condition of the loans or guarantees, then the gummit is at fault......not the companies that took the money.

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Amy Judd

Sorry but as this story contains copyrighted media it has been removed from the front page of our site until the copyrighted photos are removed. Thanks.

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PIM of SPAIN

Indeed tis is the hottest and most difficult issue to tackle. ACP has those correctly extracted. BF's suggestion is the easiest way out, not bad either, but another government string on business. The big question is what is legal and what not, as Roy says.

The first step to be taken is of course to attach the bailout money with bonus strings that could have been done easily in the beginning of the process, but was omitted for reasons we only can guess. In all fairness bailed-out companies are in a similar position as under chapter 11. In those cases such strings are applied. Making that route much better legal. It is known that bankers may move from one to another. But in my opinion they should take that risk. Just curb them to make them more responsible and reduce bonuses to more sound performances. If one starts, good economics will make the others following too. It is a kind of Thatcher's dilemma with the mineworkers' strikes in the 80s. In the case of bonuses Europe is following US and not visa versa. On top BF's suggestion can be applied, because in all fairness it is taxpayers' money, so the government has the right to tax it back. I have the feeling that along this indicated route the legality hurdles - if they exist? - are easier to legalize. Look for more brain-storming on the subject. :)


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PIM of SPAIN

No idea what the copyrighted photos are in yr opinion, but removed some that could be(?) let me know if there is another one amyjudd, thanks Pim

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Amy Judd

You removed exactly the ones that were copyrighted, so you must have had a feeling that they could have been when you uploaded them. It's very time consuming for us to go through these and find the source, so if you think something might be it's best just to not upload it in the first place and that will prevent your story getting pulled from the top five of our site.

I have reinstated it now, thanks.

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Hugh Askew


The feds clearly don’t have an idea what is going on in the market. They consistently underestimate the market and the economic situation they are in. While they consistently overestimate their own capabilities.

This, as much as the spector of inflation - hyper or otherwise - is the most frightening thing said in your article, PIM.

Arrogance and ignorance, hand-in-hand. Their arrogance keeps them from seeing their ignorance....or verse visa.          Not such a good thing, i'm thinking.

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politisite

Very well done

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tikun

Excellent. PIM

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