Twisted H.R. 1913 Passes House Committee

by lakeall | April 24, 2009 at 07:29 am
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While America slept on Wednesday April 25 we woke up to find headlines about how Michelle Obama likes to sneak out and eat at fun restaurants. Not so well covered by the media was the passage of the Hate Crimes bill re-introduced and passed in committee by John Conyers. (D-MI) What does it mean?



The bill co-sponsored along with 42 other representatives and crafted by openly gay Congressmen Barney Frank is riddled with gay agenda politics and disregards the will of the people. It was introduced between sessions when little attention is being paid to discussions or votes in the house and is rife with skullduggeries. Have legislators now come to the place where their own personal lifestyles can get some lawful credence if they think it deserves it? Let’s see.



Books have been written and a few movies made when ordinary citizens undertook to get a law enacted or changed in America. Years of legal battles, hearings, evidence and impassioned testimonies resulted in landmark legislation that changed the very civil landscape of the nation. In the end a ‘wrong was righted’ and America was made the better for it.



Today we may have come to the place where America is being asked to ‘wrong a right’ with Congressmen Barney Frank’s H.R. 1913. Similar bills such as H.R. 1592 were struck down by Presidential veto in 2007.



With much of the nation distracted by the financial crisis and the new almost patronizing concern for gays fostered by the Obama administration added to the latest trend of representatives voting for anything but the will of the people the stage may be set for the passage of this potentially dangerous bill.



The dangers of the bill are inherent in its very premise and it could serve to become the first bill in our history that guarantees freedoms to one group of citizens at the expense of freedoms to another.



For the best point by point breakdown of the problems with H.R 1913 I would refer anyone with nominal intelligence to the Tony Perkins’ article ‘Why Congress Should Reject Federal Hate Crimes Bill’ posted on the Christian Post April 21, 2009. Perkins shows how the bill comes into conflict with the 14th amendment which guarantees all Americans ‘equal justice under the law.”



The ‘hate crimes bill’ is an affront to states sovereignty and if misinterpreted by any level of law enforcement will quickly become a ‘thought policing’ bill to wrest even more freedoms from the average citizen by essentially demanding that special groups get special justice.



As if a simple act of legislation could remove all hate from the hearts of Americans; this is the first weakness or absurdity of the bill. There is hate and there is hate. A line from a beloved Irish traditional ballad called ‘Night Ferry’ and made famous by the famed Irish group known as the Furey Brothers says,



Then I walked through the park where my father once held me



Where I learned to love and hate with all my friends



Where I kissed my first girl and my friends they laughed at me



At the gate where we met constantly



The hatred spoken of in this line is as common to man as air and water and is understood to be things we all hate in common. Standing by the gate the friends may have discussed how much they hated their unpleasant and stodgy high school English teacher or the local constable who was always looking at them with suspicion or the soccer star of the rival high school team.



It is the kind of hate that President George H. Walker Bush said he had for the taste of broccoli. Such hate is neither dangerous nor criminal but common to all men. No one can imagine George Bush sneaking out at night and spraying the broccoli fields with weed killer or the Irish boys at the gate planning to kidnap and drown their English teacher, or could they? Apparently the co-sponsors of H.R. 1913 may be the exception to the rule.



The bill nearly proposes that anyone who thinks something is repulsive or repugnant will move to destroy it. It further gives credence to the idea that if a thing was destroyed the destroy-ee had to have prior hatred for the thing destroyed and should suffer special penalties for the preconceived hatred as well as the physical violence done to it. This is a bill that may be crafted on the premise of ‘cuckoo is, as cuckoo does’ but it would not stand the scrutiny of a serious comparison to the freedoms allowed under the first amendment.



Setting aside both the laws of man and God for a moment it takes no genius to see that the impulse to cringe at the thought of same sex attraction is a result of a natural feeling, a gut feeling or intrinsic impulse that is part of nature itself. No civil law can properly define it much less prohibit it and only the law of God can condemn it with any legitimate authority.



If H.R. 1913 is to be taken seriously it goes beyond even thought policing and passes up to the level of ‘feeling policing.’ Here is the question; what’s next, facial expression policing, regurgitation causes policing and yucky feeling policing? Have our lawmakers become the purveyors of silliness; sadly the answer is probably yes.



Once again such bills are all too close to thought policing and are the brainchild of political correctness advocates who are now tinkering with fascism and the new American penchant for socialism. Every historical precedent condemns this kind of extremism and only those who know nothing of the roots of communism, Nazism and fascism could possibly see any redemption in rehashing what has already been proven to destroy whole nations and empires.



Preachers and evangelist are particularly worried about this bill because it may curtail their rights of free speech under the first amendment but even worse it would constitute an abridgement of their rights to their own religious convictions.



The Traditional Values Coalition directed by Chairman Louis P. Sheldon said “This bill is an incremental step toward the ultimate objective of the gay agenda to criminalize any speech or thoughts concerning homosexuals or transgenders, etc, which will be used by rogue judges and gay activists to target so-called “hate speech” as an incitement to violence. This has already occurred in Canada, Sweden and Britain.”



A press release issued by the Christian Anti Defamation Commission April 16, 2009 on The Christian Newswire stated “"All freedom loving Americans must voice their opposition to this bill," said Dr. Gary Cass of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission.”If this bill passes it lays the foundation for censoring Christians. In other countries, Like in Canada and Sweden, where these types of hate crime laws have been implemented, pastors and Christians have been jailed and fined for their faithful adherence to the biblical values."



Because the historic churches of America who still retain a conservative Bible based theology yet recognize the writings of the Apostle Paul as authoritative they could conceivably be jailed and punished for preaching that Paul meant business when he said that all forms of homosexuality are a sin in the eyes of God.  There is little doubt that if H.R. 1913 is ratified in both houses it will undergo the test in the Supreme Court and many jailed preachers will call for the test not just one.



H.R. 1913 is asking bible believers everywhere to suspend and abandon their faith in and adherence to the scripture but especially to the aforementioned passage penned by Paul and found in Romans 1:22f.



It would be hard to imagine anyone in America or Europe who might dare to demand that any Muslim extract and discard any portion of the Quran to placate the fears of a special group of citizens. That request would be met with violence and rioting beyond the shadow of a doubt. Perhaps the framers of H.R. 1913 know all too well that the Christian admonishment to turn the other cheek would result in little resistance to the bill; so much for equity, fair play and common sense in lawmaking these days.



In the first amendment it is not just our freedom of speech or our freedom of religion that is guaranteed but it is a guarantee that the government cannot meddle with religious tenants whether Biblical or not. In the simplest terms the government cannot infringe on our conscience and demand that we believe only what is deemed as politically correct. Check it for yourself.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



Conservative Christianity is established on the Bible and no law in this country can change that according to the first amendment. What we also need to check is the records of those who do gay bashing and commit violent acts against homosexuals. It is there we would see that the very non-violent nature of Christianity not only strictly prohibits violence to homosexuals but the record will show that it’s not Christians who have performed such acts. But politicians are still using Nero’s great excuse to cover their worst behavior with the answer that it was the Christians who burned Rome while the Emperor fiddled.



Burning in lust for those of our own gender or for anything that moves in America today is a fire not lit by the Christians. Gay TV networks, the Cougar, Viagra jingles, condoms for kids and the whole fiery ball of sleaze was not created by the church, the Bible or the preachers who represent either one. It is not likely that prohibiting them from calling homosexuality a sin will do anything to stop this fireball from burning up a once great nation except on a one to one basis. One person who sees the fireball for what it is and steps out of the way, this is what it is all about in real Christianity.



The other paradox created between the proposed legislation and the scriptures is perhaps the oddest of all. In the Epistle of 1st John, chapter one and verse eight John said “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” Those who take this seriously think that to force anyone to quit calling homosexuality a sin is proof that truth has been given its walking papers. They also agree that anyone crafting bills to enforce the notion would have no truth in them.



Legislation without truth is a cruel hoax at best and an effort to promote an agenda at everyone else’s expense at worst. Grow up America, H.R. 1913 is beneath you.



As a footnote only hours after this article was written H.R. 1913 passed in the House. Some say it will probably fly through the Senate and there is little chance Barack Obama will veto this bill. The only chance of stopping this bill now would be to barrage our representatives in the Senate with our objections and concern.



This article is written by Rev Michael Bresciani and was submitted to Now Public by Rev. Bresciani and other sites on April 24, 2009.



http://www.americanprophet.org is the place for news, articles, movie and book reviews and other insights for life. Rev Bresciani is a columnist for online and print publications and has over two million readers and counting.




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Rhonda J Mangus

lakeall, thank you for sharing your Opinion on H.R. 1913.


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lakeall

Thanks Rhonda

 

Rev MB

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Rhonda J Mangus

You are welcome, lakeall.  It's unfortunate that society has even come to a need for such legislation (I do look forward to its passing). It seems however that you, like most who oppose H.R. 1913, are missing the distinction between freedom of speech and inciting hatred/violence.





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Frank Mazuca

Gee

What a shame. The Christian right can't persecute homesexuals!

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pastor/g

the shame of it all is the fact that the extreme left is trying to curtail the freedom of speecch.now you are telling me i cant speak out against homosexuality without suffering the consequences of jail time, well all i can say is get my cell ready, homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord period.Jesus is God, and he is a God of love,he also is a God of wrath,also HE is a God of hate you dont believe me look in psalms 5;5= the foolish shall not stand in thy sight,thou hatest all workers of iniquity. He hates Esau,He hates the Nicolations, read your Bible.those that support this bill and those that passed this bill will answer to the LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS.so if i go to jail for preaching the word of God then so be it i willcontinue to preach His word period.

 

thanks in  the name of my LORD JESUS,

pastor/g

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LittleMe

My Lord is not a Lord of hate... just wanted to correct you.  You should really experience him, he's a lover, not a hater.

 

not a pastor, but i met the Lord a few times :)

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Robert Williams

Yeah LittleMe, the Lord is a lover, true. But the thing is, hes a JUST lover, meaning he loves but with fairness to the rules. If you break the rules repeatedly with no reverence or love for Him, then you ultimately decide your own fate to lose your salvation. God didn't do it; gays did it for themselves. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a mortal sin; the Church clearly states its a mortal sin.


Please purchase "Handbook for Christian Apologetics" by Peter Kreeft to get a indepth look at why you're even Christian and how Christian works, because it seems you do not understand the concept of "just love".

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Robert Williams

Yeah LittleMe, the Lord is a lover, true. But the thing is, hes a JUST lover, meaning he loves but with fairness to the rules. If you break the rules repeatedly with no reverence or love for Him, then you ultimately decide your own fate to lose your salvation. God didn't do it; gays did it for themselves. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a mortal sin; the Church clearly states its a mortal sin.


Please purchase "Handbook for Christian Apologetics" by Peter Kreeft to get a indepth look at why you're even Christian and how Christian works, because it seems you do not understand the concept of "just love".

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Robert Williams 2

Yeah LittleMe, the Lord is a lover, true. But the thing is, hes a JUST lover, meaning he loves but with fairness to the rules. If you break the rules repeatedly with no reverence or love for Him, then you ultimately decide your own fate to lose your salvation. God didn't do it; gays did it for themselves. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a mortal sin; the Church clearly states its a mortal sin.


Please purchase "Handbook for Christian Apologetics" by Peter Kreeft to get a indepth look at why you're even Christian and how Christian works, because it seems you do not understand the concept of "just love".

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John Sparrow

Heres my repost, because the forum was failing to post my comment....


Yeah LittleMe, the Lord is a lover, true. But the thing is, hes a JUST lover, meaning he loves but with fairness to the rules. If you break the rules repeatedly with no reverence or love for Him, then you ultimately decide your own fate to lose your salvation. God didn't do it; gays did it for themselves. The Bible clearly states homosexuality is a mortal sin; the Church clearly states its a mortal sin.


Please purchase "Handbook for Christian Apologetics" by Peter Kreeft to get a indepth look at why you're even Christian and how Christian works, because it seems you do not understand the concept of "just love".

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Lexus

You bunch of fake Christians. How you disgust me. Truely, human garbage that you are.

Arrogant and pridefull. Sins, clearly described in the bible. The direct opposite of what Jesus was. And yet you dare to call yourself Christians. You defile the name of Christ by doing so. And the greatest thing is that you dont even realize how arrogant you exactly are. Its just....amazing.

Good then, why are you so arrogant. I dare say just as arrogant as Satan when he rebelled against God because he thought he was better suited as God. Satan, was, just like you, a part of creation. And he questioned Gods greatness. You question him too. Gays, are, just as everything else on this world, part of creation. Everything was made by God. That includes gays. If they werent, they wouldnt be part of the creation, and therefor wouldnt be there. Do you really think, God, in his almighty wisdom and power, would let abominations that he didnt create (and therfor wouldnt be able to control, which is in direct difiance with his infinite power and therfor impossible) walk the earth. His creation? His masterpiece? I did not think so. But seeing how he didnt whipe them out in a fiery storm, or create something that would whipe them out inmediatly we must assume they are part of his plan. Part of his creation. By not accepting that, you are rejecting Gods creation, which is by your own admitance a sin and a one way ticket to hell. More so, you are basicly questioning Gods infinite wisdom and power, you are questioning God himself. Just like Satan did. Arrogant and pridefull you think you know what God wants, that he talks to you, that you understand his infinite wisdom, you as a finite being. That is arrogance, and that is one of the 7 deadly sins. One that will send your soul straight to hell.

You call yourself Christians, yet you do everything in the exact opposite of what He thaught us. Instead of giving yuor enemy the other cheeck, you strike back at once. Instead of loving your neighbour, you only love him when he meets certain conditions. And only those free of sin can cast the first stone. And in your arrogance you believe you are free of sins, which means you can lob rocks at everybody you dont like.

I admit, I too are full of sin. I have accepted this, and I ask for His forgiveness. Yet, I have accepted the fact that I will comitt more sins then I can atone for. I will go to hell, just like all of you. And I will be delighted to see you fake Christians, you human garbage, burn too.

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Krystal tg

Hello i'm a 41 year old transgendered female and I've listened to christians spout there self rightous bullshit my entire life ... why can't you just be content with me going to hell and you not and leave us the fuck alone

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