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U.K./E.U. Humanists: Head to London to Protest Radiation Weapons
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by Scrivener | February 23, 2009 at 12:01 am
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• Converge on Thistle Marble Arch Hotel in London on Thursday, Feb. 26 through Saturday, Feb. 28
• Protest the covert use of classified hand-held radiation weapons -- the cruel, silent hi-tech instruments of an ideologically-motivated, worldwide genocide.
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British and E.U. ethical humanists, UNITE!
Western European citizens who value human rights must turn out in force to protest this week's London conference of amoral scientists, militarists -- and, perhaps, some "new world order" political fascists -- who are pushing the global proliferation of silent, injury- and illness-inducing radiation weapons...
...next-generation armaments that already are widely deployed among security, intelligence and law enforcement personnel and their vigilante citizen operatives in industrialized nations throughout the world.
If you harbor any doubts about the motives of an untamed "RAM" -- what we are dubbing the "Radiation Armaments Movement" -- just read this blurb from the U. S. military command, in support of Directed Energy Weapons 2009: Driving DEWs from the Laboratory to the Battlefield, a two-day seminar that convenes Thursday at London's historic Thistle Marble Arch Hotel:
"Directed Energy offers promise as a transformational ‘game changer’ in military operations, able to augment and improve operational capabilities in many areas."
-- Dr. William Schneider, Defense Science Board Chairman, U.S. Department of Defense
The speaker roster is laden with radiation weapons advocates from the United States and Canada, including:
• Dr. J. Douglas Beason PhD, Associate Laboratory Director (Threat Reduction), Los Alamos National Laboratory
• Dr. Spiro Lekoudis SES, Director of Weapons Systems in the Office of the Deputy Under Secretary of Defense (Science & Technology), US Department of Defense
• Colonel David Robie, Director, Directed Energy Task Force, U.S. Air Force
• Dr. Greg Schneider, Director, NATO Research and Technology Agency
• Dr. Benjamin Rockwell, Head of Laser Bio-Effects, US Air Force Research Laboratory
• Dr. Jacques Dubois, Electro-Optic Warfare Section, Canadian Ministry of Defense
• Susan Levine, Deputy Director, Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate, U.S Department of Defense
The use of the factually deceptive non sequitur "non-lethal" notwithstanding, those who devised the agenda are not unaware that their advocacy of radiation weapons proliferation carries ethical and moral ramifications. Hence, these program items:
Directed Energy Bio-Effects: A Main Enabler To Directed Energy Weapons
• Overview of effects on humans due to exposure from laser and high-powered microwaves
• Understanding bio-effects as a crucial factor leading to policy approval of directed energy weapons
• Policy restrictions due to human effects
Another panel will examine the "legal implications" of radiation weapons (of course, the advocates never refer to "radiation" -- to them, it's always "laser weapons," or the euphemistically benign "directed energy weapons").
To underscore the point, consider these agenda items:
- Problems associated with the introduction of new concepts and technologies
- Utility of systems in real world conditions: The warfighter vs. the PhD
- Potential European limitations against the operational fielding of the Active Denial System (a battlefield "people-cooker" that causes severe pain by heating human flesh)
Those who are concerned with human rights and what the conferees term the "bio-effects" of radiation weaponry should encourage journalists worldwide to seek to cover this conference from the inside -- and hopefully pose some penetrating questions to "D.E.W." proponents. If you are reading this in London, get on the horn to your local media, newspapers, internet and telly, and let them know about this event.
But most important, human rights advocates should turn out in great numbers to line the streets in front of the hotel with signs and megaphones -- a vociferous protest against the proliferation of radiation weapons and the role of the U.S. military in advancing the deployment of what are truly "weapons of mass destruction"...
...weapons that should be banned outright by world governments as inhumane, a menace to civilian populations as well as to those who wield these hand-held moral equivalents of the atom bomb.
Hopefully, British police and secretive international intelligence units will have the good sense and human decency not to silently "dose" protesters with radiation, as has been alleged to have happened in the United States.
FOR MORE ON THE THREAT OF RADIATION WEAPONRY:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/domestic-torture-radiation-weaponry-americas-horrific-shame
LINK TO DIRECTED ENERGY CONFERENCE AGENDA:
http://www.iqpc.com/ShowEvent.aspx?id=151250
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at 13:56 on February 26th, 2009
Please visit my site for the most up-to-date list of electronic harassment and electronic torture:
http://www.petermooring.nl/blog/?p=117
Peter
at 03:55 on February 28th, 2009
Just to note, the term "radiation weapon" while somewhat correct in the strictest scientific way, is not a term used by military or industry to describe their devices. These are applicable terms:
DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS.
HIGH POWER MICROWAVE BEAMS.
RADIO FREQUENCY GENERATING DEVICES.
MICROWAVES.
MILLIMETER WAVES.
MEGAHERTZ.
TERRAHERTZ.
NONE of the above are referred to by the general public NOR the industries in question as "radiation" as this could be mistaken to be "ionizing radiation" a much more destructive process. Please refer to the wiki page on "radiation" for explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation
It's rather important as I can imagine dozens showing up in protest with signs claiming "they are dosing us with radiation" (a clear reference to IONIZING RADIATION which DEW are NOT) just to be laughed off the site.
Thank you.
at 16:57 on February 28th, 2009
Since there appear to be two "batvettes" posting here ("good batvette, bad batvette?") let me say this:
The first "batvette" posts is blatant, deceptive disinformation. The evidence is strong that radiation weaponry already in the field is capable of emitting various pulsed burst radiation, ionizing and non-ionizing. Secondly, high-power non-ionizing microwave radiation is capable of doing extreme damage to human tissue due to super-heating and damage to cellular mechanisms.
NON-IONIZING MICROWAVE RADIATION COOKS HUMAN TISSUE LIKE A MICROWAVE OVEN COOKS MEAT -- FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
NON-IONIZING MICROWAVE RADIATION DOES HIDEOUS DAMAGE TO HUMAN TARGETS AND MW RADIATION WEAPONS SHOULD BE BANNED AS 'WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION."
Even the non-ionizing radiation of cellphones is suspected of causing cellular and chromosomal damage due to tissue heating and cellular changes; and here we are talking about high-powered microwaves.
Your post is false disinformation that is so poorly argued as to be "laughable," to employ your terminology.
This is not statecraft. But thanks for proving my case.
Yes, they DON'T use the term "RADIATION" because they don't want the public to realize that this weaponry IS "dosing" its targets with damaging, potentially lethal forms of radiation.
Take your disinformation somewhere where readers are stupid enough to swallow it.
That's not here, I would hope. And you know what? I think I am gaining some allies on YOUR side; yes, there are intelligence agents who have a conscience, and I think I am getting through to them, to YOUR detriment!
at 05:06 on March 1st, 2009
Vic, you can call me good, you can call me bad, but just don't call me wrong because if I'm sure I'm not I'm going to post till the cows come home. You're actually becoming a caraciture of a TI with all this "you're a paid intelligence disinfo agent" stuff that you throw at people who disagree with you or call out your errors. This isn't a nitpicking issue, if your terminology is misleading or employs hype, in the end it discredits the efforts to legitimately forward our cause. I really would invite you to take a look at Eleanor White's page and her efforts to sort through the good, the bad, the false and the hype. Her steadying hand is really commendable and valuable if we want this taken seriously.
This statement of yours:
"Hopefully, British police and secretive international intelligence units will have the good sense and human decency not to silently "dose" protesters with radiation, as has been alleged to have happened in the United States."
"DOSE WITH RADIATION" has NO precedent as descriptive of weapons in the electromagnetic spectrum inclusive of NON ionizing radiation, PERIOD. Furthermore, I'd be curious to see if you can substantiate the claim that TI's allege to have been "dosed with radiation" in the united states- those exact words.
1. Do any of the "directed energy weapons" discussed at that conference utilize ionizing radiation?
2. What type of radiation is measured with a DOSIMETER, Vic?
3. When you say "these hand-held moral equivalents of the atom bomb." why is that, Vic?
Non lethal weapons are NOT "weapons of mass destruction" and by utilizing such erroneous emotionally charged hype you've actually obfuscated the reason for concern: The realization that they ARE rather innocuous and really do NOT hurt you in exposure times that would cause concern. Atom Bombs and WMD will NOT be used by our military because of their obvious and immediate horrific effects. DEW WILL be used at will for torture, social cleansing and harrassment and the public will support it.
moreover, anyone you seek to look into our cause with any familiarity with the electromagnetic frequency spectrum, which I provided a link to, isn't going to buy anything you say after you start talking about the danger of cel phone frequencies and being "dosed" in the same passage. You might gain an audience of ignorant nincompoops.
Vic you say you've had a DEW applied to you for some years and I don't doubt it because I believe for over a year I've had some similar device employed on me. During that time we both felt as if this thing would soon lead to our demise.
Guess what, Vic? So far it appears we've been wrong. We're both here quite alive. Doesn't make all this right, but if six months ago we were shouting to anyone who'd listen this weapon was frying our insides and could kill us in short time where does that leave us now?
Completely, and utterly, full of SHIT. There are a few folks who, once they go there, can never come back. One I've heard, is the White House spokesman. I think another might be a well known journalist. See Dan Rather. We can't have a lot of archived hype out there, it's going to bite us in the ass later.
They aren't trying to kill us with the DEW they've been using. Vic. Just make us miserable. Talk of "WMD" and "hand held equivilents of atomic weapons"? Please. You interviewing for a post at the Sun, or National Enquirer? I thought you were better than that.
Because public displays of "winning", while I often enjoy them, are less important to me than our common cause, I would invite you to consider these points and if you accept them, delete this and the previous reply and walk away a bit better informed and armed for the cause. It didn't happen and I'll never bring it up, not for any reason. If not then leave it for an audience to decide. The cause, however, IMO has no possible benefit from a pissing contest.
Always remember: credibility is not by always insisting we are right, but quickly recognizing when we are wrong.
at 07:49 on March 1st, 2009
To batvette, Thank you. Thank you.
at 11:52 on March 1st, 2009
TO: "batvette"... or whoever posted under that name at 5:06 a.m. March 1 (that's 8:06 a.m. here on the East Coast... wow, getting up early for weekend duty...)
First, I must reprint a comment from your post, above:
"DEW WILL be used at will for torture, social cleansing and harassment and the public will support it."
Your own words have indicted and discredited you.
You badly underestimate the public's belief in American values, in our Constitution, and their respect for freedom, human dignity, and the laws of man and God.
This "innocuous" tool of (what you admit is) torture left me barely able to speak or function for four years -- in the process decimating my health and destroying my career, which I am trying to revive by taking on amoral sociopaths capable of making statements such as the one highlighted above.
I don't know if it was the DEW or the poisoning that caused some other ailments that very well could be symptoms of what some of your radiation weapons proponents have called a "slow kill." Need I mention the night blindness, low vision and incipient cataracts (according to the eye doctor)? Need I provide more evidence of the damage done by "innocuous" non-ionizing radiation?
The non-ionizing "innocuous" microwaves cook human tissue from the inside out. That our government is promoting their use for law enforcement applications in which the general public could be exposed is not only misguided, but, in my opinion, inhumane and, possibly, a violation of certain international human rights treaties to which the U.S. is a party.
As for your references to "archived" material coming back to bite me:
What I have published represents my constitutionally protected right to express my opinions and beliefs -- including opinions and beliefs that certain elements may either accept or reject as credible.
When government bureaucrats deign to define the "truth" and punish those who do not subscribe to the party line, then democracy truly is dead and fascism rules the land.
As for the line about the ruining of Dan Rather and the slander campaign against McClellan, I am surprised you didn't throw in John Lennon or some of the other apparent victims of rogues gone wild.
But, as I said to "Daisy Duke" among others: Please feel free to post here. You only help me make my case. And you are giving the "good people on the inside" who check in here periodically more compelling reasons to act swiftly in the defense of human liberty in America.
Of course, "batvette," it could be that you are my ally -- pulling off a "Jonathan Swift," making an outrageous but seemingly sincerely delivered defense, setting up a "straw man" for me to effectively knock down.
Since that is precisely the effect of your latest post, I leave you with this:
"Batvette, this could be the start of a beautiful friendship."
at 17:00 on March 1st, 2009
You badly underestimate the public's belief in American values, in our Constitution, and their respect for freedom, human dignity, and the laws of man and God.
And yet DEW are being used by Americans right now, Americans who likely believe in God, American values, and probably stand up taller than anyone when they play the national anthem at ball games. Vic, the American public supports that their police dept. has guns. They supported tasers, and still do despite videos showing abuse on YouTube. They are going to embrace NON LETHAL WEAPONS when they are sold as such like Barry Bonds reaches for a Louisville Slugger. It's gonna sound much more warm and friendly than gunning people down!
This "innocuous" tool of (what you admit is) torture left me barely able to speak or function for four years --
You're here right now and have a pulse, and correct me if I'm wrong, are still under attack. Tasering someone for five minutes is likely lethal. Shooting someone once is. Four years later you may have some ill effects. Do you seriously think that the public cares what happens to someone with that extended exposure? Does it really matter, when it's going to be deployed with the intent of a 30 second blast on an unruly detainee?
Need I provide more evidence of the damage done by "innocuous" non-ionizing radiation?
You might want to stay away from covering stories of any scientific research until you understand the difference between clinical testing and individual observations.
The non-ionizing "innocuous" microwaves cook human tissue from the inside out. That our government is promoting their use for law enforcement applications in which the general public could be exposed is not only misguided, but, in my opinion, inhumane and, possibly, a violation of certain international human rights treaties to which the U.S. is a party.
Wrong, and this again displays why ignorance of the issue at hand is going to make you a laughingstock should you engage in discussion with those who wish to deploy this.
The Active Denial System operates at 95 gigahertz, in the area also known as millimeter waves. It works by heating the molecules of moisture trapped under the first couple of layers of skin. This is completely unlike the microwave heating you are thinking of that takes place in your kitchen oven, we'll say the Amana Radar Range as they were as pioneer. Their operating frequency is 2.45 gigahertz, a wavelength close to 40 times as wide as the ADS. It goes past the moisture under your skin and heats from the inside out. The PRIOR is what the government is pitching the public, the LATTER is what you are pounding the fear drum over.
To not completely discredit you, it is very likely the people who are your, or my perps, could have devices that operate in those lower frequencies and a bit above.They could most effectively harrass you with that AND the ADS. That's not what they are selling the public on, Vic. Know the difference.
As for Peter's comments, people cookers as he calls them indeed exist, it has I understand been a big problem in eastern europe, people converting microwave ovens and building their own with surplus magnetrons and klystrons from behind the old iron curtain. US defense contractors could easily construct them cheaply with off the shelf parts and ideology driven corporate officials could pout them in the hands of perps.
This is not the ADS nor something you could accuse the JNLWP office of promoting without looking very silly doing so, but I've a feeling a determined and driven person such as yourself would not let that stand in your way.
Oh, and McClellan wasn't my reference, it was Mike McCurry, whose tale was being told in the news while McClellan was on the job in the early days of the Iraq war. McClellan never got caught in a lie by the press.Thus even though rumours were swirling about on not finding any WMD, McClellan remained an asset to the Bush administration as long as he wanted the job. (indeed, he wouldn't have been caught in a lie, for whatever unspoken reasons there were to go into Iraq, and I'm aware of several, the administration appears to have taken great pains to have not actually told a willful lie- though Cheney bent the truth like a pretzel a few times) McCurry, albeit through no fault of his own, for all practical purposes did and once that happened his credibility- and most say his career- was ended. (though he stayed on for a while) There are people who can lie and people will still talk to them and the lie had little bearing on their career or credibility. When the White House press corps no longer believes you because of just one lie, you're a liability to the administration.
Dan Rather is the kind of anchor who could bring me to weep as he dramatically narrates a tragic news event. Dan is also a partisan hack who is completely full of **** if his politics need him to be.
It's going off topic but so outrageous I'd like to share this:
Dan Rather, anchorman for CBS News, appears on The David Letterman Show shortly after 9-11. The show had been off the air for a week.
RATHER: President Bush made what I think is his strongest statement yet when he went to the Pentagon this afternoon. He was Giuliani-esque -- I don't think he would mind me saying that, no. He looked the camera straight in the eye -- unblinking -- and said "Osama Dead or Alive."Below are transcript excerpts.
[Audience applause] RATHER: And with what we're dealing with here, which is not one man [Bin Laden], it's a hydra-headed operation that's in 55 countries around the world. Now granted, the focus is on, and we should understand, not just Afghanistan -- Afghanistan, Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Libya. RATHER: They hate America. They hate us. This is one thing that makes this war different. They don't want territory, they don't want what we got -- they want to kill us and destroy us. It's a heavy statement, but it's true -- they seek to accomplish our death. Death as a people, as a society, and a culture. LETTERMAN: Why? RATHER: Who can explain madmen, and who can explain evil. RATHER: Saddam Hussein, if he isn't connect to this, he's connected to any other things. He's part of this 'Hate America' thing. You have to understand, Saddam Hussein is somebody I have sat this close, eye to eye. LETTERMAN: The other day, Dick Cheney -- who to me seemed like the real deal -- Dick Cheney was talking about how counter-intelligence and espionage is dirty business, and maybe now we were going to have to get down in the mud with these people, and I thought well Holy God wasn't that the way it was supposed to be? RATHER: This [war] will be long, the casualties will be greater. Let's face it, we've already had more casualties, I mean five thousand of our fellow Americans have been killed already. When we talk about casualties, we've suffered casualties, but there will be more. When we send out sons and daughters into this kind of war, into this Twilight Zone that they're going, there will be great casualties. Now, it remains to be seen whether we have the staying power, that's basically up to you, and me, and everybody in the audience, and every American, whether we have the staying power, whether we have the will to stay with it, is the big question. But you say 'Will it do anything?' I certainly think it can, but what would we think of ourselves if we didn't try. RATHER: This will take years, this may very well take another four, eight, ten years. The world's view of us, in many places with many people, is we just don't have the stomach to stick anything out. Well, we were great during World War II, but this is a new generation, they're all spoiled.
Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor
Interview on "The David Letterman Show"
September 17, 2001
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Both of those individuals made it their personal business to go after Bush for getting us into the War in Iraq, (more blatantly by Letterman as he could professionally say things Rather couldn't) and for implying links between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
They really have no shame and must assume people are too stupid to stumble across their exchange here. It was of course Rather's shady involvement with Bush's forged service record entries that caused him to step down from his anchor position.
Back to the reference itself, we're all free to express ourselves, indeed. We all just hate those moments when we are shown things we said in the past and wonder what the hell we were thinking when we said them.
at 06:13 on March 2nd, 2009
Even the article in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin (April 2008) talks about the "rheostat" effect -- operators can increase the power and duration of the pulsed bursts (which, because the fire is pulsed, is not easily detected by instrumentation or dosimeters).
So when you repeat the disinformation about heating "only" outer layers of skin, you obfuscate to conceal the truth: These are high-powered microwaves capable of "cooking" human tissue. And they are hand-held and do not require the huge, truck-mounted dish that's wheeled out before the media in what appears to be yet another piece of disinformation.
You have invested much time and trouble rationalize away a campaign of physical assault on American citizens... a campaign that seems intended to degrade their mental and physical functioning to the point of incapacitation, neutralization, and "removal" (my term) from society.
A genocide.
You can't justify it. You can't rationalize it. All you can do is attempt to discredit, libel, and perhaps hope for the physical disablement of those who are sounding the alarm bells -- by the very same technology that you describe as benign.
You're sounding a lot like Goebbels.
at 06:34 on March 4th, 2009
rationalize it away? hardly. I'm trying to impress upon you that a bunch of ill informed ranting about hand held atomic weapons and being "dosed" isn't going to do anything but give gangstalking doubters another kook to point at as indicative of the TI community.
As for your "rheostat" comment, sorry but your ignorance is your most obvious quality again. This does not alter the operating frequency and thus does not alter the way it is absorbed (or not) into the body.
BTW the "rheostat" comment in the FBI article pertains to the truck mounted device, does it not?
at 06:45 on March 4th, 2009
No. I suggest you re-read the FBI article. The link is in the "Gestapo USA" article.
at 04:11 on February 28th, 2009
gotta appreciate this love for humanity:
The challenge for ensuring that Directed Energy applications make the transition from concept and prototypes to operational usage requires close collaboration between industry and military. In order for DEWs to be successfully fielded, it is imperative that the leading scientists and policy makers provide the technological solutions and work on fully understanding the costs and benefits of these systems.
What about the RISKS and NEGATIVE IMPACTS. Who cares, as long as we can sell it?
Close collaboration? Where is that government for the people by the people get a word in edgewise there?
I'd like to show up there in the morning and serve these bastards a big bowl of fuck you for breakfast. There isn't a word there about deterring threats or keeping the peace, it's all about
"Challenges faced for the transition of DE capabilities from the laboratory to the battlefield, with insights into political resistance"
" dedicated to the technological advances and policy challenges surrounding DEWs. By bringing together the leading figures from the military, scientific community and from industry, we provide the perfect forum to discuss the latest developments from across the US, Canada and Europe. Ensure your DE programmes are on track and understand the factors which facilitate the implementation of programmes to the edge of operation."
This is what makes this stuff so scary, is the eagerness these sick fuckers display in wanting to USE them. The whole conference's intent is to break down anyone's concerns about them. REVOLUTION. Who's with me? Aw, just kidding. Maybe.
at 08:15 on February 28th, 2009
Someone else posted Naomi Wolf's "10 steps" to one of Scrivener's other articles:
(Refer to: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment )
Wolf states, "It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy - but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps. As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated today in the United States by the Bush administration."
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create secret prisons where torture takes place.
3. Develop a thug caste or paramilitary force not answerable to citizens.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Harass citizens' groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Treat all political dissents to be traitors.
10. Suspend the rule of law.
(Naomi Wolf's The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot (published by Chelsea Green))
A good friend often says that it's a good practice to "pray as if everything depended on God, but work/act, as if everything depended on you." Let there be no mistake: I'm not an advocate for violence or revolution. I am an advocate for the "rule of law" and a restoration of the principles and values upon which our democracy depends.
Sinclair Lewis reportedly said, “When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” May God help us.
at 17:09 on February 28th, 2009
OMG! They are letting through "legit" posts that expose this evil for what it is.
Or they could be trying the "befriend the target" ruse. But it's a bit late in the game for that, isn't it, you psy ops masters?
Are the good people on the inside gaining the upper hand, even in the intelligence "community" that controls my every keystroke? The blatant censorship seems to be a big tougher lately for these "unconstitutionalist" betrayers of the oath.
Stay tuned. And keep the faith. I say that even as I am being "dosed" as a write this in my kitchen.
If Naomi Wolf has discovered this site: I would like to talk to you in person. Please try to contact me by posting here.
at 06:24 on March 2nd, 2009
• "Silent, covert microwave radiation weapons assaults on innocent but "targeted" U.S. citizens" ("Scrivener")
• "Terroristic vigilante community gang stalking, surreptitious home entry, police-tolerated vandalism" ("Scrivener")
The preceding are quotations of yours ("Scrivener") that appear on numerous blogs. The second, is the most believable and, yet, many Americans believe that these sorts of crimes couldn't (and aren't) happening in America. Regarding the first, many (and maybe most) would dismiss these claims as "crazy", if asked.
It's been said that "the truth shall set you free." In this case, it may be that the cold, hard truth will continue to enslave. Once one is perceived as "crazy", no matter what the reality, it's hard to shake that perception (even if totally false). So "words do matter", as you say. (Interesting that you use the word "targeted" (in quotation marks, yes) and, yet, criticize others for using it. Perhaps if others were to use quotation marks, that would meet with your approval.)
To quote "batvette" (earlier posting):
"You're actually becoming a caraciture of a TI with all this "you're a paid intelligence disinfo agent" stuff that you throw at people who disagree with you or call out your errors. This isn't a nitpicking issue, if your terminology is misleading or employs hype, in the end it discredits the efforts to legitimately forward our cause."
Who knows, maybe that's the point.
at 06:31 on March 2nd, 2009
We do agree, however (to use your words):
"It IS a crime against humanity in and of itself to be aware, and to continue to let it happen." ("Scrivener.")
at 08:16 on March 2nd, 2009
Well, thanks for that much rationality on your part...
As for the "crazy" -- isn't that the tactic used by authoritarian regimes throughout the ages? Paint your critics as delusional, mentally ill, schizophrenic...
...only now, you've got a weapons system that can induce the symptoms of cognitive impairment. So you zap 'em until they exhibit symptoms, then plant referrals to a "program"- affiliated shrink, create a history of medical treatment for a mental disorder, and eventually have the "target" marginalized, or committed to a psychiatric hospital.
Any thinking person can recognize this M.O. and it is not going to work, not in this case.
If you think it will, then you are the delusional one.
When I think of the manpower being expended to discredit me, I have to wonder: How many people like me must they silence to get away with these crimes?
Guess what? Too many good people have been victimized by these sloppy genocidal programs, and too many good people on the inside are disgusted by their knowledge of this great evil.
If you're going to do mass murder, slow-kill or fast-kill, you'd better do it more efficiently and covertly than this clown operation has done.
With the change in the political climate, many, many people with knowledge are talking -- and not just victims, but insiders. You cannot discredit all of them. It's too late.
So why don't you get on the right side of this, get on the good foot, as someone once said, instead of being a cog in a hate machine that is breaking down under the strain imposed on its evil workings by the forces of good?
That's my advice to you, whoever you are, and whoever is paying for your time... God save your soul.
at 02:39 on March 20th, 2009
With the change in the political climate, many, many people with knowledge are talking -- and not just victims, but insiders. You cannot discredit all of them. It's too late
Wow, I'd like to see what evidence you're basing that factual assertion on. Sounds like you're telling us everything is going to be A-OK and we can just kick back and Vic's calvary is on the way. Weren't you saying EXACTLY this 3 months ago?
at 08:37 on March 2nd, 2009
I'm not the enemy -- you're preaching to the choir, as it's been said. I agree with much of what you say but, given the Machiavellian nature of these crimes, the way this is approached by victims matters a great deal. What is said is critical, as is the way in which it is imparted.
I have great faith that this evil with be unmasked and come undone. Furthermore, my faith is coupled with action -- purposeful action. If not approached in a deliberate, thoughtful way? Well, as "batvette" correctly said (and I'll say it yet again), to do otherwise "discredits the efforts to legitimately forward (this) cause."
at 10:48 on March 2nd, 2009
Scrivener: "If you're going to do mass murder, slow-kill or fast-kill, you'd better do it more efficiently and covertly than this clown operation has done."
I agree but, tragically, they're still getting away with it. Exposing it, when those who try to do so are labelled "mentally ill" is one piece of the solution. Getting people to believe, understand, and take steps to end it is an even bigger problem. Sadly, many Americans probably don't even know what "directed energy weapons" are.
Scrivener: "With the change in the political climate, many, many people with knowledge are talking -- and not just victims, but insiders. You cannot discredit all of them. It's too late."
I would love it if you could point to any "insider" who is really listening and "talking", with the goal of getting to the bottom of it. I wish that "insiders" would blow the lid off this powder-keg, with the goal of stopping it. But you and I both know that it's global and it has to be expensive (it's mind-boggling to think of the money being spent), so even those who might know about it must be terrified at the prospect of trying to expose a network that is huge. All of this, sadly, is crystal clear to those who are victims, but not-so-clear to a large segment of the world's population.
I don't want to discredit anyone "on the inside" or any of many innocent, law-abiding victims. It would to the detriment of many to do so.
And, I do hope you're right. I hope it's too late for these gangs of thugs. I only hope it isn't too late for the rest of us. I don't want to see perfectly sane people rotting in mental institutions with a diagnosis of "sluggish paranoia", as was the case in the Soviet Union, as you well know.
at 13:45 on March 2nd, 2009
"I hope it's too late for these gangs of thugs."
And which thugs would that be? The "ground muscle" on the street -- or those in the halls of power who have covertly equipped them with people-cookers?
And they are NOT getting away from it -- although I would like "the good peope on the inside" to know that certain local contractors may be involved in the installation of radiation devices in the attics of their "targets," and none of us has the technology to detect these instruments of slow death. I could and may already have supplied many solid leads, having spent my professional life as an investigator. It's all out there, if anyone cares to ask the right questions (which, I believe, they've been doing in the wake of the election).
But someone is in charge of determining the TIMING, FREQUENCY and precise METHOD of radiation attack. I don't believe that's all being done "on the ground." There appears to be "command and control" at play here.
THAT IS WHY A PRESIDENTIAL ORDER OR AT LEAST AN ATTORNEY GENERAL DIRECTIVE is needed immedately.
Even if there were local officials with a conscience who are not directly involved in orchestrating these attacks, they may not have sufficient "operational awareness" to take unilateral action (again, that's assuming they have the guts and integrity to do so).
at 10:57 on March 2nd, 2009
Correction: "sluggish paranoia" should read, "sluggish schizophrenia"
at 22:13 on March 3rd, 2009
No worries. We'll chalk up the error to "sluggish psy ops."
(So interesting that this comment was posted much earlier today, but it disappeared. So I am posting it again. Now watch it magically appear twice, maybe.
How will the disinfos handle this?)
at 08:19 on March 3rd, 2009
I agree that those who are victimized by the crimes that are being commited 24/7 across the USA (and elsewhere) are not, in fact, mentally ill. I agree that those who stalk, harass, steal, vandalize, and torture are as "crazy" as they come (and belong in jail). Tragically, no one is stepping up to the plate to help. Tragically, these crimes continue in America. And no one hates it more than I do. What's happened to "the rule of law?" As someone else said, "What has happened to my America?"
You're right -- what's needed is a directive from President Obama. All legal means should be pursued to bring these sweeping crimes to a halt. As President Obama said (about Abraham Lincoln) in his "remarks" in Springfield, Illinois last month: "He recognized that while each of us must do our part, work as hard as we can, and be as responsible as we can – in the end, there are certain things we cannot do on our own. There are certain things we can only do together. There are certain things only a union can do."
So President Obama, hear this plea: Good, law-abiding, innocent Americans are being terrorized all across America. We need your help. As you said, "There are certain things that only a union can do" and this is one of them. Bring these crimes against humanity to a halt.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-of-President-Barack-Obama-What-the-People-Need-Done-Abraham-Lincoln-Bicentennial-Springfield-Illinois/
I will continue to write letters, post comments, etc. In the end, we have the same shared goal, regardless of our differences. I hope we have the same, shared goal. Working at cross-purposes would be laughable, if it weren't so tragic.
at 09:03 on March 3rd, 2009
It's amazing that anyone can rationalize the use of this crap on the citizenry, in the way that batvette does it. But then, every tyranny gets it's start in this way. All the tyrant's helpers have to do is pick a boogey man, or a boogey cause, and convince the public to start rationalizing the destruction of each other. At such a point in time, the people become so hell-bent on beating each other up that they don't notice the sound of the leash clip when it's attached to their necks.
It's the way Hitler did it, and it's the way Saddam did it. Now it's the way we're doing it. It's crap. No level of these activities - not even the tiniest little bit of these kinds of dehumanizing/ degrading/ torturing/ harassing activities is acceptable in anything but a barbaric "back to the jungle" society.
The scientific "gray level" relating to the effectiveness of one type of torture over another is not what the jury ultimately will hear. No torture against any segment of the citizenry is acceptable.
Concerning the radiation from the weapons, I have found that it's easy to determine the path it takes on the way to your subcutaneous skin layer (if we are to believe batvette). Just take a couple very large cookie sheets (the crap doesn't penetrate thick metal very well), and move them around until you block the beams. You can then identity the asshole who's doing it.
What is really curious to me is why one or more of the people who constitute the legions of TIs running around this country hasn't done this, and then paid a little visit to the neighbor to convey his/her feelings about it. I would have to imagine that the outcome of such an encounter would have high potential to invoke police action, perhaps of a very serious nature. Why has this never been reported in the media? It seem to be a statistical anomaly, given the violent nature of a significant portion of our population, and the number of TIs. I guess that we (TIs) as a group are a more peace loving lot. Perhaps thats why we must be removed!
Hmmmm ....
at 10:02 on March 4th, 2009
"Police action"?
Law enforcement on several levels is aware. Since I have been under rad weapon assault and relentless gang stalking throughout the region, I have told my story to law enforcement on multiple levels. I believe I have gotten through to some individuals.
And still it continues.
And I believe neighbors are aware and have actively aided and abetted torture, harassment and vandalism.
And still it continues.
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this out.
I still think the good people on the inside are on the march, and that on this very day, this subject is under discussion at the HIGHEST LEVELS of government.
But the assaults, the vandalism, the poisoning of my morning coffee and cream and God knows what else, continues.
Please act now, good people. Before it's too late for all of us.
at 07:00 on March 4th, 2009
You've misunderstood my arguments. What you think was "rationalizing" these devices was not an approval of them at all.
it was:
#1 to show why they will be easily approved by the general public, in spite of Vic's contention (paraphrased) that all that must be done is inform the good god fearing people of America and they wouldn't allow it.
#2 to explain precisely how he's grossly misrepresenting the terminology of this technology. How much credibility is his attempts at "reporting" this story going to have when viewed by people with even rudimentary knowledge of it? Notice how little of his replies to mine are dedicated to addressing those technical points I raised?? He's wrong and thinks continuing an argument based on emotional appeal will substitute for technical accuracy.
As for blocking the beams with cookie sheets, you may have just given the neighbor at your back a convenient reflector to bounce them off of. Now where are they coming from?
Go to the police with "my neighbor is attacking me with a microwave!"??? You first. :-)
at 10:20 on March 4th, 2009
Your posts reflect the propaganda that would have people believe that these microwave radiation weapons are "as advertised," that they "merely" heat the outer layer of skin and don't penetrate and cook human tissue from the inside out.
And I am saying that's disinfo... that these weapons DO penetrate human tissue (and bone, for that matter) and DO cook human tissue from the inside out. And theses weapons, contrary to the propaganda, are out in the field and are hand-held. That is a fact. The Bush DOJ has even publicly acknowledged the development of hand-held microwave radiation weapons.
The old adage, "Thou doth protest too much" comes to play here. Your posts have attempted to rationalize the usage of these weapons for "torture," "harassment" and "social control." Those were the words you chose.
The truth has a way of coming to the surface, and no disinfo campaign is going to convince anyone that these weapons are good for society when they can so easily be used to covertly torture and inflict injury and illness, -- due to the fact that the "fire" is silent, invisible, and is able to penetrate walls and barriers.
All that's left in your arsenal is a campaign of disparagement, disinformation, slander and "neutralization." I will say it again: I am far from the only one who thinks the deployment of radiation weaponry is a menace to civilized society. And even if I were silenced tomorrow, there are many who are taking up this cause.
What a waste of taxpayer money to deploy weapons of SILENT mass destruction that pose a grave danger to the public health and safety...
at 10:46 on March 4th, 2009
And theses weapons, contrary to the propaganda, are out in the field and are hand-held. That is a fact. The Bush DOJ has even publicly acknowledged the development of hand-held microwave radiation weapons.
And how do you know this fact? How did it come to be part of your body of knowledge on this issue?
Because I posted that piece of information myself several months ago here in one of your stories.
Go search, I guarantee you will find that statement made by myself long before you or anyone else did here.
Here's what I'm trying to impress upon you: Stop making these wild, unfounded and technologically ignorant statements that confuse legitimate gov't weapons research products with what the gangstalkers are allegedly using. For one, as I've stated, repeated erroneous and inflated claims for fearmongering only discredit you, and the whole TI community should they associate the two. Secondly let's insert ourself in this Pollyanna dream world of yours where the "good people of America" prevent the government from putting Non Lethal Weapons (immediately, at least) in the hands of law enforcement in lieu of the much nicer GUNS with BULLETS.
How does this accomplishment even remotely affect what the gang stalkers will have in THEIR hands?
the propaganda that would have people believe that these microwave radiation weapons are "as advertised," that they "merely" heat the outer layer of skin and don't penetrate and cook human tissue from the inside out.
And I am saying that's disinfo... that these weapons DO penetrate human tissue (and bone, for that matter) and DO cook human tissue from the inside out.
Okay, Vic, let's get down to business. Show me a link to said weapon if you know so much about it.
at 11:23 on March 4th, 2009
My information about DOJ approval did NOT come from anything you or anyone else posted here.
It came directly from New Scientist's web site, and was quoted directly in a Jan. 7, 2009 update to my article "Gestapo USA." It was accompanied by a picture, credited to the U.S. Air Force, showing a hand-held weapon in the arms of an operator.
Interestingly, the link I provided led me to a "subscribe now" page that would not allow me to get to the story. (More sabotage?) So I found two alternate links, which I have given below the published item:
UPDATE (1/7/09):
After six months of reporting in this space, the first crack in an official wall of silence regarding the wholesale deployment of radiation weapons came on Christmas Eve -- and went largely unnoticed by the mainstream media.
The magazine New Scientist reported: "The research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice is working on two portable non-lethal weapons that inflict pain from a distance using beams of laser light or microwaves, with the intention of putting them into the hands of police to subdue suspects."
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16339-us-police-could-get-pain-beam-weapons.html
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:sLHHH0whzIoJ:www.newscientist.com/article/dn16339-us-police-could-get-pain-beam-weapons.html
http://current.com/items/89653296/us_police_could_get_pain_beam_weapons.htm
at 11:47 on March 4th, 2009
Well Vic I'll just have to take your word for that and assume you don't read the comments section of your articles.
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/zap-have-you-been-targeted-directed-energy-weapon-victims-organized-gang-stalking-say-its-happening-usa?page=1
On Dec 3, 2008, I posted this:
"Directed Energy Weapons, including high power microwave beam devices, were developed under the auspices of "non lethal weapons" by the Department of Justice, DARPA, and the military. Please see www.jnlwp.com and the Active Denial System. These devices were to be deployed in Iraq but this was delayed, due to concerns of world opinion. At that time in 2006 the Sec'y of the Air Force stated the intent to test this on US citizens in US cities FIRST to gain world acceptance. Soon after this the DOJ announced they had produced a handheld version of this weapon for law enforcement and military applications. This weapon can be adjusted to cause instant pain or long term harrassment and discomfort. It emits high power levels of microwave radiation which are well known to cause cancer, blindnesss and a variety of horrible health problems."
I think NewScientist owes me a credit.... (joking)
Please note the intended disambiguation in my statement where I say the DOJ has admitted they produced a handheld version... it emits high power levels of microwave radiation which are well known to cause...
It doesn't state the one the DOJ developed is the one I'm complaining about nor that the microwaves it produces are harmful. That is a flyer I authored, one on my front door, another on my gate that is adjacent to a public park that has more for distribution.
I'm done shaking your tree. Peace, out.