U.S. Knew of Suspect’s Tie to Radical Cleric

by Babel-Fish | November 10, 2009 at 04:12 am
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WASHINGTON — Intelligence agencies intercepted communications last year and this year between the military psychiatrist accused of shooting to death 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., and a radical cleric in Yemen known for his incendiary anti-American teachings.

I really think that the american inteligence community was caught out, they had no bloody idea. The statement made are sorry we made a mistake just to show they check. This is pure bullshit. 

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Babel-Fish

Having been within the intelligent community and seen the PR this defiantly smells. USA got completely caught out as they did with 9/11.



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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

Personally, I think that they knew it at Walter Reed Medical Center. They report that he had a lousy Officer Evaluation Report.  You would think he would have been counseled on that.  Has politcal correctness gone so far, as to ignore obvious signs? 

They give him a lousy report, promote him and send him off to Afghanistan.  Babel do you think they just tried to pass their problem to someone else?  I think you have seen some of that during your time in the military.  I definitely have seen it in my time.

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MBenson82

ACP; Your comments are dead-on, with one exception.  The media has GREATLY over exaggerated what a bad OPR/EPR means in the military.  You can get negative OPRs/EPRs for almost anything; doing poorly on a PT test, getting a little too drunk with your buddies, failing to appear at work on time, etc etc.   Simply getting a bad OPR is not a sign that this guy was a "problem", however, I think the evidence that's been coming out shows that there were MUCH bigger issues at work here, and you're absolutely right, the problem was getting passed along in the hopes that "the next guy will deal with it".  It happens WAY too often.

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I agree with you.  The same is the case in Canada.  In any case, define bad OER,  normally bad overall performance would result in a Report of Shortcoming, and set off six months of counselling.  Thank you for your comments.

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Babel-Fish

Look when we got our intelligence wrong we always made stories up that we had been doing something. Of course we never did  and the intelligence community never changes. USA inteligence got caught out if they did not it would never of happen. They are that good

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Rory Cripps

ACP:

"Has political correctness gone so far, as to ignore obvious signs? "

Yes it has! Just take a look at some of the comments to this post by the "progressives" that are obsessed with ridiculing and marginalizing anyone that doesn't march in lock-step with their zombie-like ideology. It's an epidemic and in the case of the Muslim terrorist  that went on the rampage in Fort Hood, it has gotten people killed! Americans need to be able to tell it like it is without fear of being called ridiculous and nasty names.


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nanute

What are you talking  about?  It can't possibly be Pat Robertson's comment, could  it?

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Rhonda J Mangus

Of course they know what's going on At Fort Hood, Some Violence Is Too Familiar (The New York Times, November 9, 2009).

Problems continue to present when they have not been resolved, effectively.


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Babel-Fish

Rhonda security will always be breached there is no such thing as good security, the security guys got completly caught out. 

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marianmo

sorry babel fish i dont understand the signufucance of the photo to your story

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Babel-Fish

sorry I realy could not find a picture of bullshit that was not under copyright, lol

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Karl Gotthardt - albertacowpoke

I might be able to get you one out in the pasture:)

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nanute

And here's Pat Robertson's helpful comments on the situation:

 Pat Robertson, yesterday on The 700 Club, following a report from Lee Webb on Lieberman's scenery-chewing act on Fox News Sunday:

Webb: Meanwhile, Pat, the Army Chief of Staff says he doesn't want a backlash against other Muslim soldiers because of Hasan's actions.

Robertson: Oh, worry about backlash, but the truth is that this guy was off his trolley and they should have gotten him out, but nobody wanted to go after him because of political correctness. We just don't talk about somebody's, quote, religion, even if the religion involves beheading infidels and pouring boiling oil down their throats. He wasn't hiding it.

I tell you what should happen, and I think is going to happen, is the families of those soldiers who were killed have an absolute, major lawsuit for damages against the United States government. There was a failure -- they should have, as Senator Lieberman said, this man should have been gone, he should have been out of the service.

Just imagine -- our young men -- brave defenders of the freedom we enjoy, having to sit in psychological evaluation in front of this man. Just think what that means. Just think what it would do to their psyches.

Whew. It was a horrible chapter, but if we don't stop covering up what Islam is -- Islam is a violent -- I was gonna say religion, but it's not a religion, it's a political system, a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and -- and -- and world domination. That is the ultimate aim.

And they talk about infidels and all this -- but the truth is, that's what the game is. So you're dealing with a -- not a religion, you're dealing with a political system.

And I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such, as we would members of the Communist Party or members of some fascist group.


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Hugh Askew

Meanwhiles, over at the daily kos, the subject is mostly ignored, except as a means to plug Obama, and Obama-care. Imagine.

Anyway, after Fort Hood yesterday and the Orlando engineer "going postal" today, I think the President needs to get on the tube and try to talk this country off the ledge. I know my idea is a little over the top - but clearly some of us, maybe a lot of us, need a time-out; and the President may just be smart and articulate enough to pull it off.

I wish the people who needed to hear President Obama would listen, but the Glenn Becks of our nation have a vocal minority of the electorate so riled up that they'll take anything Obama says as Mein Kampf revisited. Obama might say something about peace, and the wingers will start screaming about how it's code for having their guns taken away or appeasing the Islamo-Communisto-Fascists or pretty much whatever you can imagine. (These commentators are wolves in clowns' clothing.) Some of this agitation comes from racism; some is the standard, post-Gingrich GOP tactic of having a huge hissy-fit whenever Democrats do anything. (This complements the Democrats' tendency to be huge wusses -- but that's another story.)

 But there's another factor at play here that I don't think the President or anyone else can talk people down from, and that's severe mental illness. You can't reason with a psychotic person; I learned this the hard way once upon a time. You have to help them get proper treatment, which is often no simple matter.

I'm not saying that a perfect system would have prevented this particular shooting, but putting serious effort into creating a better system would lead to improved quality of life and fewer premature endings of lives within the military and among veterans. The same is true for healthcare on a nationwide scale.

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nanute

Very well said HA. Kos doesn't normally cover this kind of stuff. Some of the indy posters maybe. If you want to see some coverage from the progressive/liberal side, John Amato's Crooks & Liars, Firedoglake, Digby (probably the best blogger on the left), are worth a look.

As you say, the people that need a talking to are the very ones that have come unhinged. It has even taken hold of the Republican Party.  Michelle Bachman and a host of other party leaders were present and prominent in last weeks "meet the congress" party. I saw signs with victims of the Holocaust equaling health care reform. Very angry, on the edge of a cliff, (to use your phrase), types of people that can't stand the thought that someone "just like them" might need decent health care. And if you've been following Sarah Palin's facebook page, you just have to know that death panels are back in vogue.

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snuffysmith



US imam wanted in Yemen over al-Qaida suspicions.

DOD worker assessed Fort Hood suspect months ago.

US knew of Fort Hood suspect’s tie to radical cleric. More news here and here.

FBI reassessing past look at Fort Hood suspect.

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Admiral Akbar

Exactly what the military leadership warned about: One Muslim goes on a killing rampage and ignorant racist morons start attacking anyone who looks different. This idiot, a Marine by the way, couldn't tell the difference between a Muslim and a Greek Orthodox priest.


Reading comments from racist assholes like pat robertson makes we wish Hasan had done a better job

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