Is The UK Government Planning A "Fortress Mainland Britain"?

by infomatique | July 24, 2008 at 03:36 pm
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In 2006 nearly 16 million passengers traveled by air and sea between Ireland and the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

Unfortunately, despite the fact that both Ireland and Britain are members of the EU the British government appear to be planning a "Fortress Britain" as the first formal border checks between Britain and the Irish Republic in more than 80 years have been proposed. According to reports in the media full passport inspections could be part of the revisions.

The proposed regulations would apply to those traveling by air and sea, but could also include more immigration checks between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland.

While both governments said there were no plans for fixed checkpoints to be reintroduced along that land border many now believe that it is almost certain that the whole of the island will be treated as one unit and that people traveling from either part of Ireland (note: Northern Ireland is part of the UK) will be subjected to border control on entry into "Mainland Britain".

It has been stated that the only purpose of this new arrangement is to target attempted illegal immigration rather than domestic travellers. The need to produce some proof of identity for travellers is aimed at foreign nationals rather than those living in the Common Travel Area (CTA), established in 1925. As well as the UK and the Irish Republic, this area includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands, where the enhanced checks would also be introduced.

According to a statement by UK Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and Dermot Ahern, the Irish minister for justice, equality and law reform: "We are both introducing electronic border management systems so we can count people in and out of the country, and identify those people who may be of interest to our law-enforcement authorities," the statement added. "We are committed to preserving the Common Travel Area and its benefits for legitimate travelers."

Some believe that this new arrangement is part of the preparation for the introduction of identity cards in the UK and that as the British Government are unwilling to finance the cost of controlling the land border between Northern Ireland and the Republic they are going to treat the whole of Ireland as "foreign".

Many here in the Republic, including myself, believe that we should forget about the "Common Travel Area" which will be of little benefit to us in the future and that we should instead opt into the Schengen Agreement.

Schengen_Agreement"]The Schengen rules apply among most European countries. They include provisions on common policy on the temporary entry of persons (including the Schengen Visa), the harmonisation of external border controls, which are coordinated by the Frontex agency of the European Union, and cross-border police and judicial co-operation.

A total of 29 states, including 25 European Union states and four non-EU members (Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland), are bound to the full set of rules in the Schengen Agreement, and 24 have fully implemented its provisions so far. Ireland and the United Kingdom are the only EU members that did not sign up to the Schengen Convention of 1990 and retained a right to opt out of the application of the rules after their conversion into European Union law. Thus, they have not ended border controls with other EU Member States. Ireland opted out because of the "Common Travel Area" arrangement.

Border posts and checks have been removed between the states which form the Schengen area and I believe that this is an attractive proposition for us here in Ireland, lets hope that the Irish Government do not decide upon a "Fortress Ireland" policy.

Sources:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7523435.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0724/border.html


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Amy Judd
Amy Judd
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at 15:59 on July 24th, 2008

infomatique, I like this story. It's good stuff.

I hadn't heard about this - shocking! I don't really like the idea of the 'identity cards' and these measures you have outlined above. Seems it will soon be a Fortress like you said. Sad really.

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infomatique

Here is some information from a UK Government site.

ID cards


ID cards will provide legal UK residents, including foreign nationals, with an easy and secure way of proving who they are.

ID cards will be linked to their owners by unique biometric identifiers (for example, fingerprints), which mean we will have a much stronger way of protecting people's identities. Background checks will ensure that claimed identities are real and not stolen, and will prevent criminals using multiple identities.

The exact format of an ID card isn’t yet decided but it’s likely that it will be a credit card-sized plastic card featuring the holder’s photograph and a computer chip storing basic personal information.
Who’ll be eligible for an ID card?

You will be eligible for an ID card if you are:

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      UK resident for three months or more
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      over the age of 16

When will ID cards be introduced?

Our decision to introduce a National Identity Scheme was announced in the Queen's Speech on 17 May 2005. The Identity Cards Act received royal assent, becoming law, on 30 March 2006.

We began introducing biometric residence permits for foreign nationals in 2008, and we expect the first ID cards to be issued to British citizens in 2009.
My Life, My ID

Starting in 2010, ID cards will be offered to young people on a purely voluntary basis.

In July 2008, the Home Secretary launched a website about identity for those aged 16-25. If you're in that age group, you can join the online discussion (new window), and tell us what you think about the programme.

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Amy Judd

Thanks for the added information.

Jarrett Martineau
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at 16:21 on July 24th, 2008

infomatique, I like this story. It's good stuff.

Caoimhin1
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at 16:43 on July 24th, 2008

infomatique, I like this story. It's good stuff.

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PEP

Beins' as how this is the #1 story and a staff choice for that slot, don't you think that just maybe you could use Highlight tool just a wee little bit? For example, your closing paragraph is the complete first paragraph from the publication that wrote it and published it.

I really think that material in the white area, outside the highlight box, is viewed as original commentary and therefore well, it might be good if it were. It's easy enough to quote material, or use Highlight, and then add your own material.

Because I hope that staff will choose a direction for us (i.e. copy-and-paste Good Stuff, copy-and-paste in Higlight boxes GS if it's most or all of an article from another writer/stource), I'm going to paste the entire story from the BBC here. That's the only fair way to consider the question being raised.

From the BBC:

"The first formal border checks between Britain and the Irish Republic in more than 80 years have been proposed.

Full passport inspections could be part of the revisions, a Home Office consultation paper has said.

These would apply to those travelling by air and sea, but could also include more immigration checks between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland.

But the governments said there were no plans for fixed checkpoints to be reintroduced along that land border.

The scheme is expected to target attempted illegal immigration rather than domestic travellers.

The need to produce some proof of identity for travellers is aimed at foreign nationals rather than those living in the Common Travel Area (CTA), established in 1925.

As well as the UK and the Irish Republic, this area includes the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands, where the enhanced checks would also be introduced.

Separate searches

The governments said checks would be made "on passengers and their documents" arriving and departing "on sea and air routes".

CTA residents and foreign passengers could be separated on arrival into channels similar to those already in place for European passengers on international flights.

The paper also suggested laws could be proposed to allow searches of vehicles travelling to and from the Irish Republic.

And airlines and ferry operators could be fined for carrying passengers to the UK who did not have appropriate documents, it added.

Measures including "state-of-the-art border technology, joint sea and port operations and the continued exchange of intelligence" would be used, according to a statement by UK Home Secretary Jacqui Smith and Dermot Ahern, the Irish minister for justice, equality and law reform.

"We are both introducing electronic border management systems so we can count people in and out of the country, and identify those people who may be of interest to our law-enforcement authorities," the statement added.

"We are committed to preserving the Common Travel Area and its benefits for legitimate travellers."

In 2006 nearly 16 million passengers travelled by air and sea between Ireland and the UK, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands."

Ya'll staffers just let us know, OK? Because there's a heap of confusion and confabulation about this. As an Okie, I think it's pretty clear cut, but then again, that's kinda how we'uns "hick" Okies are: straight shooters.  ;}

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infomatique

Thanks for the valid comments.

The problem is that I tried to upload the highlight from both the BBC and RTE but the system will not accept any edits or updates. If you check your logs (assuming you are staff) you will see that I made a number of attempts (about six) to upload the information that you included. I also tried to include quoted material from the BBC in the comments area I have mentioned this problem before but got no response or solution.


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PEP

Thanks for the response, but a) it ain't my logs--talk to staff and b) this isn't the first go-round of this kind.

If Highlight just won't work, it is ever so easy to put non-original material in quotes and say "source is....." 

Why not source what isn't your original commentary and make it clear what is original? Just for the record, other members have noted this post, and where this material came from, all the sources. So...please. Play fair and make it clear when something you present is your own original material and when you're using someone else's material. OK? That's just a personal opinion, of course.

Said personal opinion may not be worth doodly squat. Maybe NP is going to embrace a new policy. Up to them. But in the past, they've asked for attribution of sources and no "copy and paste". As I said, my viewpoint on this may be all wrong these days--I may not be au courant with NP standards.

So our best bet is for them to be clear on what they want.

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PEP

p.s. pasting in the original material with the name of the source and the copied material in quotes worked slick as a lizard on a greased log for me.

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Jarrett Martineau

I've added links to two of the sources that I found that were quoted for this post. Infomatique, could you please include any additional ones? Thanks.

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infomatique

The third source was:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0724/border.html

The system is not accepting any edits from me.

Regards

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infomatique

It did this time

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infomatique

This is the first time that I have seen SPAM here (okay I do get some private messages that are SPAM). BTW what does "Not Verified" mean? I have noticed many such posts today.

NB: SPAM now gone


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Rachel Nixon

(Hi infomatique - FYI - the spam comment has been deleted. Please see here for discussion of our trial of anonymous comments.)

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Frank Fortune

It is worthwhile remembering that the UK is home to most of the global islamist terror plots, is home to an admitted 2,000 active terrorists, and has made little progress stopping the attempts to attack. The UK currently has no border controls and does not know how many people wander around within its borders. These are very late (2001 attacks are now many years in the past) and much-needed measures.

Paschen
Paschen
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at 23:53 on July 24th, 2008

infomatique, I like this story. It's good stuff.

gerrypopplestone
gerrypopplestone
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at 06:57 on July 25th, 2008

infomatique, I like this story. I agree with you about the Schengen rules.  Its the bloody island mentality of the UK government.  Indeed of most people in Britain.  "Keep em out"  we all cry!

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