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UN, Hamas Lied in Saying Israel Attacked Gaza school
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by 158 | February 3, 2009 at 10:20 am
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<!-- The United Nations has reversed its stance on one of the most contentious and bloody incidents of the recent Israel Defense Forces operation in Gaza, saying that an IDF mortar strike that killed 43 people on January 6 did not hit one of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency schools after all.
It seems that the UN has been under pressure to put the record straight after doubts arose that the school had actually been targeted. Maxwell Gaylord, the UN humanitarian coordinator in Jerusalem, said Monday that the IDF mortar shells fell in the street near the compound, and not on the compound itself.
The original charge.
An Israeli attack has killed at least 43 people taking refuge inside a UN school in the Gaza Strip, medics say.
About 100 people were also wounded in Tuesday's strike on the school run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) in the northern town of Jabaliya - the third school to come under fire in 24 hours.
From a teacher who was there.
Questions about the veracity of the claims that the school had been hit by the IDF were also raised last week by the Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail. The newspaper said that a teacher in the UNRWA compound at the time of the strike "was adamant" that no people had been killed inside the compound.
The newspaper said that the teacher had been told by the UN not to speak to the media. "Three of my students were killed," he said. "But they were all outside."
You may discount this account
as everyone knows 100% of
Canadians are 100% pro
Israel and pro American.
The teacher, who refused to give his name because he said UNRWA had told the staff not to talk to the news media, was adamant: "Inside [the compound] there were 12 injured, but there were no dead."
"Three of my students were killed," he said. "But they were all outside."
So try this one.
And there are many more.
Did Israel Shell a UN School? The Truth ExposedCanada's Globe & Mail finds out what really happened.
In war, the saying goes, "the first victim is the truth." But an in-depth investigative report by the Canadian Globe and Mail's Middle East correspondent, Patrick Martin proved to be the exception to the rule.
Martin’s front-page report investigated the Israeli shelling of Hamas terrorists near a UN school that led to the tragic deaths of 43 civilians. His conclusion: the facts don't support the accepted story that the school itself was shelled.
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at 12:28 on February 3rd, 2009
It's incredible the power Israel has on USA, Europe and the UN. Here we are the people not politicians trying to make ourselves heard, to just have everything denied by the UN. We saw the video of the school and the dead bodies. The school was probably the strongest case for a trial against Israel, which explains why it is so convinient to just deny it.
at 16:06 on February 3rd, 2009
"The school"? can you give us a link which shows "the school" with dead bodies in it?
If you can't, can anyone else?
at 13:52 on February 3rd, 2009
No, the story is a lie. It did not happen. Lying about Israel does not help the just Palesatinian cause, only makes reports from Hamas less believable.
at 15:32 on February 3rd, 2009
Your story from Israel is a lie. It distorts the truth.
What sort of ammunition was used? A blast bomb? Only one bomb. The UN is discussing only part of the child murder attack by IDF.
What is near in your truth? 13meters or 310 meters (that would be beyond the child murder zone for the ammunition used by IDF?
Back it up or take it home. Dig.
at 15:45 on February 3rd, 2009
It is not my story and the UN has confirmed that Israel did not attack the school.
The fact is the original story was a propaganda lie.
IN war an army is allowed to shoot at anyone who shoots at them.
Hamas placed fighters near the school.
There are several sources for this story.
If you can, prove the first story is true.
at 16:14 on February 3rd, 2009
Ah, you again Con10t, with your unfounded denials. Can you give us any links or photos (you who are a net person) to show us that the article has it wrong?
This is an article on a news site on the internet. If you have "proof" that what the author says is wrong, please post it.....
....if not, go to youtube and chat with the other college kids about how 9/11 was done by Bush.
Thanks.
at 15:37 on February 3rd, 2009
The same article and israeli newspaper you quote, states that the Gazan kids were mass murdered by Israel outside the school and not inside the school. What sort of a sick world of denial are you hoping people move into?
Your article goes on to say:
"Gaylord said that the UN "would like to clarify that the shelling and all of the fatalities took place outside and not inside the school."
UNRWA, an agency whose sole purpose is to work with Palestinian refugees, said in response Tuesday that it had maintained from the day of attack that the wounded were outside of the school compound. UNRWA said that the source of the mistake in recent weeks had originated with a separate branch of the United Nations."
And of course in a mass murder of civilian operation like Israel conducted on Gazans, keeping the media out does not help the UN instantly get to the exact murder timeline and placement. Now they have. It is not a lie. It is due to the covert nature and keeping the media out of a bloodbath of child murderes from israel inside Gaza.
The story makes me want to throw up with its innuendo that could not be more than denial and inhumane.
at 16:01 on February 3rd, 2009
con 10t
You need to read. It said no such thing.
It said civilians were killed. A huge difference.
Firing at armed men outside a school is not a crime and is not murder.
You also need to read a dictionary. Hamas has murdered more Gazans than Israel has killed.
So how do you feel about terrorists-Hamas-who say they will murder Jewish children world wide. that Jewish children are legitimate targets? Dow is your stomach when you defend them?
at 18:54 on February 3rd, 2009
whether allegedly or actually armed militants are a target, it is most definitely a crime, a war crime. in a dense urban jungle of hungry, scared and bomb, bomb, bommber people, to fire when there is an unacceptable risk of civilian murder. that is most definite in such a dense urban blackeded zone like gaza. the israelis committed there mass murder.
take the weapons they used, 3 sheels just outside the school, and in the air according to the photographs on the site at the time, white phosphorus was apparent. it deserves a full and thorough investigation.
looking for loopholes in a media coverage, that was crippled and blinded, made deaf and dumb by therefusal of Israel to allow media coverage during their operation, disqualifies any attempt to paint a picture of a dishonest UN, especially from out-of-context babble from a discredited news source, cozy in the media army of Israel.
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As if it matters how many some alleged mass murderer elsewhere butchered. Israel butchered children at that school, and now say their definition of 'near' excludes guilt from their shells that you know scatter shrapnel for 300 meters, that's why they use them in built.up urban zones, because shells that don't scatter, don't do their job, they dont murder, they just destroy one wall and anyone in that narrow space, not around the wall and over enough zone to make the hit possible.
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that 100% of Canadians, wish that Israel rejoin civil and human rights upholding, and set an example for civility and not an example to be compared with other child murderers and civilian killers.
there is a big difference in an elected leader of a tortured, abused and blockaded imprisoned and rapidly deteriotating socio-edu-economic milieu to speak out in rage, it is in act understandable as bot you and i sometimes say too much and we arent even close to the suffering of children maimed by isreali monsters for no fair or good or greater or even hopeful reason, just vengence, revenge, lust and rage that is out of control in israel, viciousness and fist.thumping angry military leaders killing children in Gaza. there is a difference between saying out of extreme frustration and worr for ones voters some vengeful statement and actually killing 1000:1 children of another urban tribe like Israel did. those number matter, otherwise there is no such thing as Hitler or mass murder and genocide, because you state that killing one kid is the same as the other side killing 1000 children relatively. where then is mass murder? the answer is that killing children is wrong, and killing lots of children is evil beyond belief and israel is now one of those harbors for the most evil actions in recent history as it is also a ridiculous attempt to coerce, like beating ahorse so hard it cant run and it was beaten so it would run. that is how the israelis treat the gazans. it makes you sick to your stomach to think that ISrael could even imagine ever your arguments in favor of equating holocaust to a handgun crime, a barrage of banned weapons to a homemade rocket. i guess you can call the next small town killer to the great murderes in history, and in recent history, there is Zimbabwe, North Korea and Israel.
at 19:40 on February 3rd, 2009
con 10t
Give me a link that says there is a UN law against returning fire in a city.
And if it is Hamas is guilty also as they fired first within the city.
I will come back to the rest of your comment.
at 09:09 on February 4th, 2009
come on, you know the law of urban warfire. just google it. and there was no return fire, a motorcycle passing in front of a school playground was shelled 3 times by the child murdering Israeli occupaction and blockading forces in Gaza.
at 20:08 on February 3rd, 2009
Can you do anything other than name calling and parroting anti semitism?
If you will call for an investigation of Hamas crimes I will support an investigation of Israel.
Be careful. NP staff warned you before. Stop personal attacks now.
I cannot fathom your thinking. Yoe appear to think Jews are not human.
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When you condemn Hamas for murdering Jewish children then I will respond to your talking points, not before.
at 12:34 on February 4th, 2009
Hamas has not cmmitted war crime. To fire rockets from inside an illegal prison, is freedom fighting and an atempt actually to wake up the Isrealis to remove their blockade and strangle hold and stop killing Palestinians for existing in the Middle East, in essense, Hamas is helping Israel to save itself from its child murdering and war criminal self.
at 16:31 on February 3rd, 2009
Con10t,
That article said nothing of the sort. If it all makes you want to throw up though, please do it without vomiting all over what other people say.
Thanks.
at 15:54 on February 3rd, 2009
Give the Palestinian Arabs what they want, and the rocket attacks on Israel will continue regardless. Same story today as it was in '67. The death of Jews and destruction of Israel remains their only real goal.. They could have had their own state twice, but refused because they want it all. Gaza is the way it is because of this and all of the twisted facts and antisemitic agendas in the world won't change that.
at 12:54 on February 4th, 2009
nyctuber,
Your rely above is a clearly racist text. You cannot simply characterize hypothetically Palestinian people as mad about firing rockets unprovoked.
AmyJudd, veto nyctuber reply as you vetoed mine, or know that you and even your future misuse of drupal's Mollom will discredit NP and CJ in general.
Soon you will be reading about the plague that has hit NP just as VC is coming around. You must be very careful that your personal pro-Israeli-attacks-on-civilians-in-Gaza is not a driving force for what you do not veto on NP? Who are you anyway to veto any one side of a hot topic here? You have moved my Opinions to Forum, you have edited my replies, and soon you will discredit NP as a whole. People in the know are watching. Your reports that mimic 5 oclock tv news are not the future of the news, and not what CJ is going to be about. I would really trust those in the know and take a course in ethics to know your edit veto on NP to date has missed such replies as this one by nyctuber.
It is a matter of 2 weeks to scrape all NP content and mirror the site with drupal, maybe called NotPublic and usd to expose the phony credibility that is creeping in here and not the open source news aesthetic that will prevail elsewhere in the social web.
Really think about what you are doing AmyJudd, and don't think that mentioning you is personal. It is not about you, but about a presenting-character who thinks he or she can veto at will with a bias CJists in NP. So if you veto and remove this text that I store, it will reappear. And it will continue to appear until you see that your bias is not what NP is about.
at 13:18 on February 4th, 2009
This is an obnoxious and threatening comment.
If you don't like the rules here, write to say so or leave. It's not your site. Put up your own site.
I hope this comment is read by amyjudd, and I hope you shall keep putting it up, as you abjectly threaten to do.
That will surely, at least I hope so, result in you being asked to choose between moderating your behaviour or having your page taken down according to the terms of use of this site.
Thank you.
at 13:56 on February 4th, 2009
As one of the moderators on this site it is my job to enforce the rules and for the record, your comments were not the ones I edited last night. However, at this point, this is neither here nor there.
We don't veto news - we do however moderate personal attacks against each other.
Open source news doesn't give you the right or authority to terrorize the community here - we have guidelines in place to protect our members and a suspension has been put in place as you consistently chose to ignore these guidelines.
This is the same code of conduct which you agreed to when you joined, and which you are still obliged to follow so long as you remain a member here.
We expect all our members to follow the same rules - your comment is threatening and bullying in nature and as our Code of Conduct clearly states:
NowPublic members will not:
"3. Abuse, threaten or verbally attack other members, individuals, or NowPublic staff."
at 14:35 on February 4th, 2009
You have not followed 3. You have vetoed the human rights side, and allowed verbal attacks on NP members such as 'Jew-hater', 'anti-Semite', and other despicable groundless and insupportable slander. This exposes a bias on your part. That is not 3. IT is an honest attempt to make clear that CJ requires far more fair care than NP is currently providing, as its 'veto' and 'edit' selections prove without a doubt, to any who wish to sift through the threads.
You are checking SPAM software from the great drupal founder I realize. But this is not the software that is needed for a CJ site, as you must know. There are ways to use the intelligence of folksonomy, dataviz and database coding to display a real-timer radar that then automatically contacts the parties involved and follows a resolution procedure that once completed avoids any edit. In other words it is the NP members who check-and-balance, as they do as well with world and other news issues.
If such 'datatecture' thinking is beyond you, simply show this to your sys admin gurus and python-php-mysql-linux-open-source artists and it will be clear. most of the idea above is already out there and just needs a bit of patching and testing and 3 weeks its up and CJ can overcome your unilateral and biased vetos, AmyJudd. and not I don'T get paid for my counsel above, but then I didnt either when I built these CMS systems from scratch in 1996 on good ol' (back then) Canadian Red Hat Linux, php1.0, and mSQL (no mySQL back then) and at times in Vancouver, Whitehorse, even Tuktoyaktuk, NWT.
There are moderator ethics you know and just using the powerpoint NUMBER 3 before a command doesn't ensure you use its 'authority' fairly. You don't. And this is not a personal you, but a professional CJ editor you.
When you have culled through alt the 3.'s and the abuse, verbal attacks that use Jew-hater, anti-Jewish, anti-Semitic' anf so on against con10t or any NP member, and marked them, let me know. It will keep you up a few hours. There are aggregator scripts in python or perl you could use to save time if you have the moderator skills for that. Hope so.
at 16:04 on February 3rd, 2009
The IDF likes to massacre kids when they are out playing. I guess that is more fun for perverted Israeli child murderers. Getting them while they study - only 12 inside the school were injured in fact - is not so appeal and the white phosphorus used doesnt give its money worth to sick child murdering types 158 defends.
The press in Australia writes about the type of report 158 propagandizes:
"John Ging, UNRWA's operations director in Gaza, acknowledged in an interview this week that all three Israeli mortar shells landed outside the school and that "no one was killed in the school".
"Look at my statements," he said. "I never said anyone was killed in the school. Our officials never made any such allegation.""
There is no lie. The children murdered by Israel have not been reborn. he maimed havent grown legs back, or fingers or eyes. No 158, it is not a lie. It is only the difficulty of instant reporting when a mass murdering nation like Israel keeps the press and human rights agencies out of their bloodbath zone like the UN school.
Near, what does that mean with the 300-meter blasting scrapnel weapons used by IDF. Just outside playing is that not near enough? It was to murder 43 children for the sickos from Israel.
It's just appalling you coulde even imagine posting such drivel when children were murdered. MAybe you could start an OJ Simpson or Scott PEterson blog as well. What a waste of my time.
at 16:14 on February 3rd, 2009
con 10t
Remarks like this will only cause thinking people to ignore anything you say.
Have you once condemned Hamas killing of Jewish children? NO. Why not.
You have become exactly what you accuse others of being. You only condemn Jews, not those who kill Jewish children.
If the Hamas cowards had not been shooting near the school not one child there would have died.
All you do with personal attacks is to show yourself as one sided and you have ignored many chances to condemn the murder of Jewish children. There is a name for that.
at 16:04 on February 3rd, 2009
Please remember that personal attacks are not welcomed and if necessary we will start editing your comments, so there will be no point writing a personal attack in the first place.
at 09:18 on February 4th, 2009
Please, as a modicum of your fairness veto, edit out instantly all the remarks that have been made calling NP CJists anti-Jewish, anti-Semites, right away. I will check back on that. Not to do so will seriously jeopardize online in the near future the validity of NP as an open source and balanced social netowrk news platform. As it stands, your veto edits do NP no servce, on the contrary.
I would also suggest eiting out all the boring mass media lok-alike stories concerning distrating iconizing of single vehicle acidents and the like that have killed TV news. Such mindless reporting entering into CJ realms will make CJ backwad compatible to mass media and all its society of the spectaclce 'opium for the people', taking place of real news by citizens real concerns. Editing out such mass media sensational car crash reporting will help CJ not become like TV News just 'chewing gum for the eyeballs.'
And ask yourself what is your motivation for editing only one side of a debate? Your credentials do then come into play and must be analyzed on NP in fairness to your veto edited NP CJists? Or is England again trying to turn Canada into a cyber-colony?
Pass this on to mtippett. It will inspire some much needed system search and map backend functions such as i have on sites since 1997. it is easy to have a system nowadays do word and context search, match posters with the tags, and balance them without some bias by some NP paid employee not doing the job fairly.
at 12:58 on February 4th, 2009
whose personal attacks?
nyctuber, tikun, Rene, 158 calling con10t on many occasions an anti-Semite, and a Jew hater, personally?
why do you expose your bias and knoll the end of NP as credible by vetoing one side of a hot topic and allowing replies that dishonor the real victims of anti-Semitism in the 20th C. by throwing around a very serious allegation like verbal cartoonists.
have you vetoed those replies? yet?
NP will not make it if there is loses credibility, and your individual bias can veto and in the end will veto NP as a whole. I have beena round at the core of the net for 20 years now and unles you respect open source news and take the time from your 5 oclock news stories to actually moderate, you will always expose your bias andnot do your job.
Quite frankly, it is no service to NP, CJists or the facts that you allow slander of NP members as Je haters but edit out comments about the child murder that Israel conducts in Gaza.
at 15:46 on February 6th, 2009
You need to take your complaints to the forums.
at 15:58 on February 6th, 2009
Take it to the forums?
His page is now suspended, as it should be, and has been for two days, due to his penchant for personal insult and overtly racist comments.
at 19:23 on February 6th, 2009
Anyone who defends a group that says it will exterminate Israel and kill Jewish children worldwide-check al Jazeera, is by definition anti Semitic.
We cannot remove any comment.
Only NP staff can.
SUPPORTING HAMAS WHO SWEAR TO EXTERMINATE JEWS IS ANTI SEMITIC.
If you would respect others they will respect you.
"child murder''. Find the meaning of that, then come back. You are the best propaganda tool Israel has.
at 16:06 on February 3rd, 2009
ncytuber.
It is clear some people do not see murder of Jews as murder.
at 16:10 on February 3rd, 2009
From the same Globe and Mail article at the centre of this argument:
I hope everybody commenting here has diligently read that source?
at 16:19 on February 3rd, 2009
I also hope you read the stories and charges made right after January 9 about this.
The charges child murder are thrown around too loosely. War is killing, heavily armed men shooting at each other. War is hell and often civilians, even children, are caught in the middle.
The whole war was a tragedy that should have never happened.