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VPD allegedly urging Dunbar residents to tie up 911 lines
UPDATE: Since this story was first posted, the VPD has issued a statement clarifying their policy on the issue.
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According to Linda MacAdam, a member of the Dunbar Community Patrol, The Vancouver Police Department has instructed these patrollers to call 911 when they see 'beggars' on Dunbar Street.
MacAdam first brought the policy to light on the Dunbar Residents Mailing list which has stirred some controversy within the neighborhood. Some residents supported the policy because of fears of gang activity and property crime in the area. Others are not convinced. Mark Goetze responded to claims that these people are responsible for "90% of the property crime" in the area in saying, "I think that if you speak to the police they will tell you that homeless beggars are not the source of property crime in this town. "
The issue of crime is a sensitive one in the area following the brutal murder of a long time resident in the Pacific Spirit Regional Park earlier this month. But residents are now asking if this really is the policy of the VPD and whether this is a good use of emergency services. With a citywide gang problem looming, neighbors are questioning whether this addresses real community concerns or whether homeless pedestrians are simply an easy target.
Do you live in the area? What do you think?
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at 12:46 on April 21st, 2009
this is ludicrous. should 911 resources be tied up because someone's asking for change? surely there are more important things that our police and ambulance service could be doing...such as, oh i don't know, saving lives...and not further penalizing and persecuting those who have nowhere else to go and will never be able to afford a fancy million dollar dunbar mansion.
at 15:15 on April 21st, 2009
Has anyone called the VPD to ask for comment/call this person's bluff?
at 18:23 on April 21st, 2009
This post proves why sites like this are open to major criticism.
To the point of your Deputy News Director (!!) - this is total hearsay. You are floating total rumours which could damage reputations and taint the public's understanding of news. This is not a public service the proves you are easily manipulated - even if true, your source could have a million and one different one reasons not to be reporting the truth. And it's not just comments in a forum; it's been repeated by one of the founders of the Website.
at 18:37 on April 21st, 2009
Dear anonymous poster, I stand by my report. I am simply reporting what was circulated in a mailing list that is open to the public. Do you have information you can add to the story?
P.S. It is not required but as a matter of practice sites like ours encourage people to become authenticated members to increase their credibility.
at 20:28 on April 21st, 2009
You can read many unsubstantiated lies in the public domain. They can hurt reputations and destroy careers and companies. Not sure how reporting them helps anything.
at 20:08 on April 22nd, 2009
This mailing list is unbelievable. Here are some quotes to remember:
"Calling 911 about beggars in Dunbar will not tie-up the police phone
lines. We just don't have that many beggars in the area." - Lisa
"You and your ilk should get a grip, and accept that there are winners and losers in life. Programs exist for the losers, paid for by everyone. We should be able to enjoy our neighbourhood without having to deal with beggars and other scum who ride our coattails." - Peter H
...nice community you all have up their in Dunbar.
at 13:58 on April 23rd, 2009
The Vancouver Police department has responded on this issue, after learning about it from a Pivot Legal Society bulletin, urging Vancouver residents not to call 911 if they someone panhandling, as "this would be a waste of police resources".
Thanks for getting this news out to a wider audience.
Source: straight.com
at 17:57 on April 24th, 2009
...and there you have it: the police refute it.
Nowpublic had the one sided accusation posted for two days before The Straight did the journalism and published it so NP could link to it and ballance their post.
I think there is a difference between saying there was a massive car crash on the sea to sky highway, did anyone see it? Can anyone help add to the information we know? And saying Person X is Saying Ogranization Y is Irresponsible, what do you think?
I'm not saying their aren't dubious policies and officers on the police force. I'm just saying you can't lob accusations without substantiation, whatsoever, except "a community email newsletter alleges." Actually, I'm no lawyer, but I imagine it could leave you open to a lawsuit.
at 13:00 on April 25th, 2009
I'm assuming you've seen the email I linked to as the source of the news.
at 11:08 on April 26th, 2009
I meant a lawsuit from the police department, not the community organization. Granted in the case of a police department it is unlikely, but technically you did libel them.