VPD allegedly urging Dunbar residents to tie up 911 lines

by mtippett | April 21, 2009 at 11:30 am
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UPDATE: Since this story was first posted, the VPD has issued a statement clarifying their policy on the issue.

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According to Linda MacAdam, a member of the Dunbar Community Patrol,  The Vancouver Police Department has instructed these patrollers to call 911 when they see 'beggars' on Dunbar Street. 

MacAdam first brought the policy to light on the Dunbar Residents Mailing list which has stirred some controversy within the neighborhood.  Some residents supported the policy because of fears of gang activity and property crime in the area.  Others are not convinced.  Mark Goetze  responded to claims that these people are responsible for "90% of the property crime" in the area in saying, "I think that if you speak to the police they will tell you that homeless beggars are not the source of property crime in this town. "

The issue of crime is a sensitive one in the area following the brutal murder of a long time resident in the Pacific Spirit Regional Park earlier this month.   But residents are now asking if this really is the policy of the VPD and whether this is a good use of emergency services.  With a citywide gang problem looming, neighbors are questioning whether this addresses real community concerns or whether homeless pedestrians are simply an easy target. 

Do you live in the area?  What do you think?

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concernednetizen

this is ludicrous. should 911 resources be tied up because someone's asking for change? surely there are more important things that our police and ambulance service could be doing...such as, oh i don't know, saving lives...and not further penalizing and persecuting those who have nowhere else to go and will never be able to afford a fancy million dollar dunbar mansion.

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Tina Kells

Has anyone called the VPD to ask for comment/call this person's bluff?

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Yes but

This post proves why sites like this are open to major criticism.


To the point of your Deputy News Director (!!) - this is total hearsay.  You are floating total rumours which could damage reputations and taint the public's understanding of news.  This is not a public service the proves you are easily manipulated - even if true, your source could have a million and one different one reasons not to be reporting the truth.  And it's not just comments in a forum; it's been repeated by one of the founders of the Website.

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mtippett

Dear anonymous poster, I stand by my report.  I am simply reporting what was circulated in a mailing list that is open to the public.  Do you have information you can add to the story? 

P.S. It is not required but as a matter of practice sites like ours encourage people to become authenticated members to increase their credibility.

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Yes but

You can read many unsubstantiated lies in the public domain.  They can hurt reputations and destroy careers and companies.  Not sure how reporting them helps anything.

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Chuckles

This mailing list is unbelievable.  Here are some quotes to remember:

"Calling 911 about beggars in Dunbar will not tie-up the police phone
lines. We just don't have that many beggars in the area." - Lisa

"You and your ilk should get a grip, and accept that there are winners and losers in life. Programs exist for the losers, paid for by everyone. We should be able to enjoy our neighbourhood without having to deal with beggars and other scum who ride our coattails." - Peter H

...nice community you all have up their in Dunbar.

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Jarrett Martineau

The Vancouver Police department has responded on this issue, after learning about it from a Pivot Legal Society bulletin, urging Vancouver residents not to call 911 if they someone panhandling, as "this would be a waste of police resources".

Thanks for getting this news out to a wider audience.

The Vancouver Police Department issued the following statement today (April 23):

VPD AGREES WITH PIVOT

We would like to thank Pivot Legal for bringing to our attention an email sent to some city residents apparently urging them to call 911 if they see a "beggar." This is a mistake. This is not the position of the Vancouver Police Department and never has been.

We agree with Pivot that this would be a waste of police resources and that we should be concentrating those resources on issues of public safety, such as the massive gang arrests and charges revealed in today's Project Rebellion release.

To clarify, the Vancouver Police Department does not object to panhandlers, and one only has to look at the number of panhandlers on City streets to know that we do not take action unless a law is broken.

The VPD does, however, take issue with any illegal behavior by panhandlers or anyone else. Action is only taken against anyone panhandling when they are violating the Safe Streets or Trespass Acts or the City Bylaw in relation to aggressive panhandling, obstructing, failing to leave private property or any other prohibited act.

We encourage citizens to report aggressive or intimidating panhandlers; otherwise it is not an illegal act and not a police issue. The same policy applies across the city and is not specific to only one neighborhood or area.

The Vancouver Police Department supports all endeavors to assist people who are panhandling with proper, safe, secure and supportive housing and other means to improve their lives.

Constable Anne Longley

The VPD statement followed this press release issued by Pivot Legal Society today (April 23):

Call 911 on “beggars”, says VPD

April 23, 2009 – For immediate release

The Vancouver Police Department is instructing Dunbar residents to call 911 whenever they see “beggars” on Dunbar Street.

“The Vancouver Police Department has instructed Dunbar Community Patrollers to call 911 when they see beggars on Dunbar Street and I would urge you to do so too,” wrote Linda MacAdam, Chair of the Dunbar Community Patrol, in an email to residents. MacAdam noted that these instructions were confirmed by Sergeant Randy Regush of the Vancouver Police Department.

Vancouver ranked last among 13 North American cities surveyed in terms of police response times, according to a 2007 report to Vancouver city council. The report called for increased funding for police officers to address the slow response times, which for a 911 break and enter call stretch to 34 minutes on average. The current yearly VPD budget is over $195 million, almost one-quarter of the City’s total budget.

“In 2008 Vancouver police spent thousands of hours ticketing Downtown Eastside residents for minor bylaw infractions, and in the West Side they treat legal panhandling as a 911 emergency,” says Laura Track, Pivot’s housing campaign lawyer. “Every year the VPD asks for more funding, but people need to ask if harassing poor people is how they should be spending that money.”

"This is just another example of a broader pattern of criminalizing poverty and restricting poor people's lawful access to public space."

"I was shocked to see this message advocating that we call 911 when we see a beggar" syas Randy Puder, a West Side resident. "What a waste of tax money. The homeless need compassion and assistance, not police making their lives even more difficult."



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Yes but...

...and there you have it: the police refute it. 

Nowpublic had the one sided accusation posted for two days before The Straight did the journalism and published it so NP could link to it and ballance their post.


I think there is a difference between saying there was a massive car crash on the sea to sky highway, did anyone see it?  Can anyone help add to the information we know? And saying Person X is Saying Ogranization Y is Irresponsible, what do you think?

I'm not saying their aren't dubious policies and officers on the police force.  I'm just saying you can't lob accusations without substantiation, whatsoever, except "a community email newsletter alleges."  Actually, I'm no lawyer, but I imagine it could leave you open to a lawsuit.

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mtippett

I'm assuming you've seen the email I linked to as the source of the news.

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Yes but...

I meant a lawsuit from the police department, not the community organization.  Granted in the case of a police department it is unlikely, but technically you did libel them.

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