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War, an ideology
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by YankeeJim | July 24, 2010 at 02:21 pm
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Shopping for a definition of “ideology” that I like, I found this one.
“"Ideology" means to favor one point of view above all others and to adhere to this point of view. The ideologue sees the world from a single point of view, can thus "explain" it and attempt to "change" it. ...
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NowPublic writer, T. K. Kidwai, said in a comment: “So it means that war is mother of all ideologies and ideologues. War is to man what maternity is to woman, said the fascist dictator of Italy. I guess you are endorsing his views.” (not directed at YankeeJim)
When a nation has a point of view such as individual freedom and liberty is most important, and anything that interferes with pursuit of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is worth fighting for can be considered a war ideology, I guess. Yet, that would be twisting the intent. The emphasis is on preserving high states of liberty and freedom for people and their democratic institutions that are directed to this end.
Institutions that represent people as nations, those that are democratic and committed to individual freedom pretty much place their ideology ahead of everything else. The “mother of all ideologies” is individual freedom and the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Is there something better?
Koenigsberg’s Law of Sacrifice
““Societies generate death and destruction in order to prove the truth of their sacred ideologies.”
http://www.ideologiesofwar.com/
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at 17:06 on July 24th, 2010
Why men go to war?That is a question which always kept me puzzled,and still does.Has it some thing to do with our baser nature which, we presume and then try to establish and then force on others ,is endowed with clamour for individual freedom,liberty and a never ending persuit of happiness.Are these concepts absolute or relative?If absolute,then no one would deny it;if relative,then can not be imposed on others through wars.I don't mean to say that we go to wars for preserving such high ideals.These could be pretexts to wage a war.Yet we haven't debated whether human life is worth protecting or preservation of lofty ideals.
Men went to wars( for various reason but none justifiable except war for self-defence),go to wars and shall keep on going to wars as long as areas of conflicts are widened,crony capitalism emerges as final victor.
"I shall give a propaganda reaon for starting the war,no matter whether it is plausible or not.The victor will not be asked afterwords whether he told the truth or not.When starting and waging war it is not right that matters,but victory"-Adolf Hitler(precursor of Bush Sr., and Jr.,)
Now we have to live with nightmare of wars,dreams of peace shattered.If destruction and devastation and mass killing is an ideology,then US empire is the single upholder of this ideology.And we all know who were ideologues-few blood suckers,clowns and cowards.
at 04:35 on July 25th, 2010
Filtering and I get "crony capitalism emerges as final victor."
We begin with an ideal, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
We invent institutions to protect us, democracy, for instance.
We permit democratic institutions to be overrun by "crony capitalists," and what happens?
The process has more to do with the outcome than the purist pursuit. Ponder that.
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anymoose (not verified)at 18:15 on July 24th, 2010
war itself not ideology but tool to execute ideology in face of resistance to ideology.- Hitler wrote that all propaganda must be directed at the least intelligent level of those at whom it is directed and that truth is less important than success.- the least intelligent are easily turned to ideology and to become ideologues and believer. ideology over rules truth because ideology removes hardship of independent thought.difference between democracy or Islam and communism is democracy gives freedom of choice. Islam and communism dictate social, legal, economic and religious .there is no freedom of choice. ideology is everything and must be obeyed or else.
at 04:37 on July 25th, 2010
Filtering: "war itself not ideology but tool to execute ideology in face of resistance to ideology"
"Truth is less important than success."
"Ideology must be obeyed, or else."
at 21:11 on July 24th, 2010
...Or eslse destroy and destruct.Freedom of choice in what sense or context?In any country do people have choice to drive on either side of the road?
Wars,with few exceptions,were never fought on ideological grounds."......ideology overrules truth because ideology removes hardship of independent thought..."(are these your words or those of Hitler?)The concluding sentence of the post contradicts what you quoted or stated above."ideology is every thing and must be obeyed..."
Ideology doesn't impede independent thinking,untill and unless turned into dogma.It is a baseless assertion that there is no choice of freedom in Communism or Islam or for that matter in Christianity or Judaism.Of course who have shunned the right path and turned their beliefs into dogma do not represent spirit of any ideology or religion.What would you like to say about anti-abortionists?How many of them are Muslims or Communists?
at 04:41 on July 25th, 2010
For all things there is context.
"Ideology doesn't impede independent thinking, until and unless turned into dogma."
Ideology in this sense is a baseline.
Various forms of government and societal organization models provide various degrees of freedom depending upon constraints defined by laws, regulations, and business rules.
If anymoose and TKK want a copy of my book in pdf file, send to me an email address and if you have a big pipe, I will stuff it.
YankeeJim
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anymoose (not verified)at 22:16 on July 24th, 2010
under islamic or communism rule there is no freedom of choice. one is dictated to. ideology over rules truth because ideology removes hardship of independent thinking - is my words. there is no contradiction. under islamic or communist rule the people do not create law and must be obedient to dictator whether civil or cleric. for the ideologue ideology is everything and must be obeyed. all wars are fought on ideological grounds. the pretense may be otherwise. "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy
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anymoose (not verified)at 22:24 on July 24th, 2010
driving on either side of road is not matter of freedom of choice but personal safety and abortion is matter of personal choice not some collective moral dictated by anti-abortionist. the value of the individual should be the universal "ideology" ---All that is valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded the individual. ---Albert Einstein
at 01:11 on July 25th, 2010
Same way freedom to choose has certain restrictions,which are essential for safety,public morality and collective development of all the members of the society.Why ban drugs?Is it not curtailment of freedom to consume drugs?Why people don't roam about without any clothes on?I repeat that your statement reflects your bias against Muslims and communists.You seem a little bit confused,or may be your mind is a conditioned one.Your first comment on this story is contradictory.Substantiate your charge against Islam and Communism.
"The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is,in my opinion,the real source of the evil...."-Alber Einstein,Capitalism and Socialism-Selected Writings,Ed.JimGreen
at 04:43 on July 25th, 2010
Filtering: "'The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is,in my opinion,the real source of the evil....'-Alber Einstein,Capitalism and Socialism-Selected Writings,Ed.JimGreen"
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anymoose (not verified)at 02:05 on July 25th, 2010
your argument that legal restriction for public safety and welfare is exactly the same as dictatorship is beyond reason and not material. both islam and communisim also have same public safety laws and are not debated as per dictatorship. again you equate one very different principle of rule as equal to another completely different principle of rule. they are not equals by any stretch of imagination. --"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. -" Winston Churchill you confuse people with institution. i have nothing against any single person muslim or communist. i disagree strongly with the institution of islam and communism and have living examples to compare to democracy. "Freedom is not to be regulated like diseased cattle and impure butter. The audience that hissed yesterday may applaud today, even for the same performance." "William O'Douglas
at 04:44 on July 25th, 2010
Well I don't find much difference as far as any form of government is concerned.Form of government is not as important as good governance,and that matters.I am living in a so-called biggest democratic country,India and I see no signs of governance,let alone good one.But that is a seperate issue.
Your contention that Islam and Communism usurp individual freedom(all the theives want to have the freedom to steal,and I guess you are adovcating that kind of freedom),which is not true.Marx used the term'dictatorship of the proletariat',not democracy for the proletariat,by the proletariat and of the proletariat.Associating dictatorship with any religion is ridiculous.There were,and are,dictators which were pagans,Christians,Muslims and Buddhists.Dictatorship has nothing to do with Islam or Communism.You are so confused that you do not argue your case with consistency and coherence;you arrive at certain conclusions which you draw from propaganda material and accept it as final truth.
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anymoose (not verified)at 06:06 on July 25th, 2010
it is not contention that the institutions of islamic rule and communism usurp individual freedoms it is fact expressed by communist and islamic governments. under such rule the people do not create the laws they must live under. the law is dictated. islamic and communist rule is not rule by the people it is rule by a decree of assumption of authority not given by the people themselves. ---dictatorship has everything to do with islamic and communist rule. remove that and you remove the assumption of authority. ---that other non communist or non islamic dictatorships exist is not relative other than all dictatorships are dictatorships and deny individual freedoms and remove the individual from the process of creating the laws that govern their lives.--- that you would call this propaganda is absurd. the only one playing at propaganda is you defending the indefensible. islam and communism by definition are totalitarian. one a theocracy the other authoritarian. both are opposed to individualism and democracy.
at 06:46 on July 25th, 2010
"dictatorship has everything to do with Islamic and communist rule. remove that and you remove the assumption of authority"
...given that, thinking stops
at 08:48 on July 26th, 2010
Anymouse(not veified)Even an idiot of appalling heights knows that even before advent of Islam and Communism dictatorship was there in one form or the other.Were Kings and monarchs and tribal heads elected reprsentatives?
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anymoose (not verified)at 16:47 on July 26th, 2010
even an idiot of appalling heights knows that all dictatorship usurp the individual rights and freedoms of the population and remove them from the process of effecting laws which govern their lives. you have no argument as proof by your constant attempt to redirect argument.
at 04:45 on July 25th, 2010
anymoose and TKK -- excpetional thinkers!
at 05:01 on July 25th, 2010
Two thinkers with different experiences and views wander and wonder in the forest of life, foraging for thoughts and expression.
By coincidence, one meets the other and by coincidence they have a common means of expression and they trade ideas.
Both are peaceful and non threatening because there is plenty of forest to serve their needs. They debate their ideas vigorously and return to the forest to continue foraging.
As they ponder and think about others ideas, they return to this spot in the woods to repeat the experience again and again.
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“thirty-aught-six” (not verified)at 15:45 on July 26th, 2010
There have been a number of quotes from Einstein used lately. I think this is a good place for this one. "In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all be a sheep oneself." Albert Einstein