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What does China really want? Is USA in need of a good translator?
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by Babel-Fish | December 11, 2009 at 11:31 pm
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Is the USA and the rest of the world listening to what China has to say? China is not really after money to clean up their own pollution act, what they want is the West more responsible I am pretty damn sure of that. .
Yes and they are right if China is saying they can cut their emissions by 40-45% they really mean to and they will as it’s the responsibility they are prepared to take on.
Now we see America posturing since they did a complete U-turn on Climate change issues, they of course are using it to create jobs in USA to manufacture renewable energy products, supply and installers and service engineers. China wants the West to take on responsibilities of putting an equal commitment of at least the same as theirs.
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They are prepared to by clean and green products and want to buy into the technology. Of course they want to be a manufacture of these products as well.
Actually it makes political sense not to transfer manufacture of green products to China but it does not make common sense not to try to achieve 30% at least cut of emissions. Gordon Brown the British prime minister see the sense in that, knowing its time to slap polluters hands its what most of the public want.
America’s 17% is such a small commitment yes it’s enough to get CO2 admissions down to 350ppb if it was not for the population growth problem of which will add 20% more population in USA by 2020. The population growth will add to CO2 emissions even when methodologies are being used to lower emissions. Plus of course the methane (human, animal (food)) problem methane will rise by about 30% approximately.
China wants to get levels of CO2 down to pre-industrial levels and 40% - 45% (CO2 gas has a 4 year live span) would effectively get CO2 levels down below 350ppb within 5 years or so, if the biggest polluters followed China’s lead. A 30% compromise by the biggest polluters would see CO2 down below 350ppb in 6-7 years.
Concerning the developing nations other than China help should be given in percentage per population and rate of pollution and loads of emphasis should be place on population control.
Perhaps China buying solar, wind, wave and products that use renewable energy will help to get the balance of trade on line and deflate the trillions of dollars owed by USA and other nations.
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COPENHAGEN - China and the U.S. fought on the sidelines of the U.N. climate summit on Friday, as delegates studied a new draft agreement that pulled together the main elements of a global pact but left gaping holes on financing and cutting greenhouse gas emissions for world leaders to fill in next week.
China's Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei said the chief U.S. climate negotiator either lacks common sense or is "extremely irresponsible" for saying that no U.S. climate financing should be going to China.
In unusually blunt language, the minister said he was "shocked" by U.S. climate envoy Todd Stern's comments that China shouldn't expect any American climate aid money and that the United States was not in any debt to the world for its historical carbon emissions.
That means USA has a commitment to the world for its historic carbon emission the debt china wants is not in fact money but the technology they already stated they would do it on their own but want access to the technology. Todd Stern seemingly has not studied what was said to president Obama very well and seemingly had not realized that China wants to use the finance to China as a lever of negotiation.
It was totally irresponsible to say that USA should not be held responsible for its history of emissions as away to cut its help to the developing nations, it should have been hey we will help you guys but your going to have to pile in with help to, we are not a money tree and it’s a recession. USA would have had the world’s ear and not the third world at its throat. How arrogant Todd Stern as shown himself to be.
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at 02:37 on December 12th, 2009
I am sorry I missed this earlier. Good post.
at 03:37 on December 12th, 2009
Source: business.rediff.com
While the announced cuts by China are a start point for negotiations, many commentators have expressed that emissions tied to the GDP will actually increase the emissions in China. I think there is a lot of work to do yet in that respect. The world leaders will meet in Copenhagen at the end of next week with lots of fanfare and probably yet another speech, with big expectations of what the U.S. will do. I just hope that it doesn't just become another promise that will be turned down by the U.S. Congress. Remember 2010 is an election year and those politicians are worried about their butt, especially if there is a cap and trade tax or another form of a carbon tax.
at 05:37 on December 12th, 2009
It sounds like a great promise from China, I'd personally like to see them clean up a damn sight more than their CO2 emmisions.
When they start doing something about the fake goods and dangerous toys, and all round cheap garbage they chuck overseas, (not to mention their horrendous human rights record) I may feel a hesitant, and very wary beginning of belief filter through my reading of China's promises.