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What Does the Koran Say About Muslim Soldiers?
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by Babel-Fish | November 13, 2009 at 04:16 pm
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In the wake of the Ft. Hood shootings by Major Nidal Malik Hasan, an uncomfortable and unjust spotlight has been trained on Muslim-American soldiers serving in the armed forces. To be blunt, their loyalties are being questioned, with some conservatives arguing that Muslims should be barred outright from serving in the military, invoking the analogy to World War II that we did not commission "Japanese nationalists or Nazis." The implicit premise is of course that an ordinary Muslim soldier is akin to a Nazi in terms of ideological loyalty. In truth, however, ordinary Germans and Japanese Americans did indeed serve in World War II with honor and distinction -- just as Muslim-Americans serve today.
I had to think about this religious problem in great depth and came to three clear areas of debate.
The first is that the christian bible says that christian should not kill.
The second that the Torah says Jews should not kill
The third that the Koran states that a Muslim should not kill a believer, but also indicate its okay to kill non believers.
That then adds just one further debate about the very Koran it self that is not so clear to me. Is the Koran a book of peace or just a book to show that Muslims should be a peace with each other?
There is more reason in my mind that American Christians and Jews give a more valid reason that they should be banned from the US Miltary forces. I say that with tongue in cheek of course.
The following article about Muslim soldiers in active service to me put an opposing opinion that Muslims should be allowed to serve in the US Military.
Few people noticed the military funeral at Arlington National Cemetary outside Washington, DC on June 15th. Perhaps it is because there have been so many of them, but this one was different that the rest. A Muslim Army chaplain led several of the mourners in the janazah (funeral) prayers for Captain Humayun Khan, who lured a suicide car bomb away from the men in his charge, joining other Muslim soldiers in giving their life for a country that increasingly bases its opinion of Islam on the sensational and horrific beheading videos that have clogged the Net recently. Dozens of condemnations or terror from Muslim groups across America and support for their fellow Muslims in the service seem to have made no difference.
"I do often feel like I am viewed with suspicion, but that is always from soldiers who don't know me," said PFC Mirza Bashir Ahmed, a medic currently serving in Iraq. "There are always jokes about me helping the terrorists and being a spy, but I shrug it off as humor in bad taste." While there have undoubtedly been Muslims who disgraced their oath of service, the vast majority of Muslims in the armed forces serve with honor, even after enduring indignities such as those faced by Chaplain James Yee. Now Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun, a US Marine from Utah captured over the weekend, faces a possible beheading similar to the murders of Kim Sun-il and Nicholas Berg as his hometown mosque prays for his safety.
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at 18:08 on November 13th, 2009
Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslims' holy book, the Quran, in many suras:
Quran 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
Quran 61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
And the Quran is considered by Muslims to be the word-for-word literal edicts of their god, Allah.
Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet's son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. With the assistance of one or two of his thugs, Ali beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, carried a sword that had its own name -- Zolfaghar. Ali's portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shiite lands. And Ali is revered by the Shiites at the same level as Muhammad.
On the Sunni side, Muhammad's co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course, the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. To this day, a sword adorns the flag of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the religion of peace.
A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam -- "submission" -- everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran. The raison d'être for the Muslim is unconditional submission to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a "good" Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, in which the Muslim is indoctrinated to believe.
Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people to forge a diverse world into one society ruled by peace and justice, while on the other hand, Islamists are hellbent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another's throats regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects' dogma should rule.
For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth: fighting the non-Muslims, and infighting.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/doe...d_violence.html
at 18:27 on November 13th, 2009
My view is shown in this article islamophobia
I have studied the religous text and wrote about all forms religion my view it is not unlike a virus.
at 03:58 on November 14th, 2009
All of those verses you have mentioned refer to the pagans of Mecca during the lifetime of the prophet Mohammed, pagans, not Christians, who were using barbaric methods (such as water boarding for example ! ) there are many examples of barbarity in the Bible also, as you well know. It also says in the Quran to follow what was revealed before, and specifies the ten commandments. The Quran also says not to take a verse out of context and use it because it is convenient for you but to study the whole book and make wise choices based on the entire thing. Some Muslims, sadly, do not do that. Plenty of non Muslims, it seems, regularly make the same mistake !
at 19:08 on November 13th, 2009
Why?
Miguel A. Guanipa
Like me, I'm sure there are a lot of people waiting to hear what Mr. Hasan has to say. More
at 04:12 on November 14th, 2009
The ten commandments are part of Islam and specifically mentioned in the Quran. How can a commentator seriously mention one of them (though shalt not kill) and then go on to lie ? Refering to Allah as some kind of alien concept only associated with Islam. The early Christians used the word Allah when refering to the creator, Coptic Christians still do. Jesus himself used the same word as Muslims do today, as in the Aramaic language the word for God is Allah, and Jesus spoke Aramaic. If it wasn't such a dividing factor for many people it would almost be funny, a follower of Christ mocking the word Jesus himself used while praying ! Praying to himself ? No ! THE father who art in heaven.
at 04:46 on November 14th, 2009
You mean these of course..
They are of course similar but though shall not kill is not a solid "kill no one"
at 05:06 on November 14th, 2009
Beautiful verses mr Bable-Fish, I was specifically refering to where (not a Hafiz yet !) the Quran says to follow what has been revealed before, the ten commandments are not specifically mentioned but the words "follow the ten" are in the context of following what was revealed before.
at 05:33 on November 14th, 2009
What a lot of people dont know about the early history of Islam is that virtually every Christian in the region during mohammed's lifetime peacefully converted to Islam upon meeting prophet Mohammed. The wars spoken of in the Quran were fought with the pagans of the time, those pagans were not decent, like most Hindus. They were barbaric in the extreme (anything I mention will sound like propaganda, check the research of a historian you trust). They were smited as the Bible would say (it also says in the new testament, during the spread of early Christianity, not to go to Asia as God had other plans for the region! But that is another story !) Most of the Christians in the Arabian peninsular today are descended from the Crusaders and some Jewish people (also following the crusades) many jewish people peacefuly converted to Islam during Mohammed's lifetime also. Some did not accept Mohammed and paid mercenaries to kill him. If these actions had been perpetrated on any messenger of God mentioned in the Bible, what would God have done to them ? If certain commentators here viewed Mohammed as a messenger of God, would they not view certain actions they now see as barbarity instead as smite ? Upon prophet Mohammed's return to Mecca (after his exodus in Medina) he forgave the non Muslim inhabitants who had driven him and his earlyer followers out, many of these people (mostly pagan) embraced Islam shortly afterwards.
at 06:12 on November 14th, 2009
Golly gee wililkers, that sounds so nice and fluffy! One is left to understand that all the killing by today's followers of the religion of peace are following the very same rules when attempting to wipe out the jews, and flying planes into buildings, or strapping bombs to their bodies.
Just hoping we will all just "peacefully" convert to the religion of peace, eh?
at 08:45 on November 14th, 2009
No !
at 09:02 on November 14th, 2009
The wars spoken of in the Quran were fought with the pagans of the time, those pagans were not decent, like most Hindus.Ahem Ahem, Hinduism is a religion much older than many others. So how come it became pagan? Through the propaganda of oil and arms funded media and missionaries? Look before you leap sir :)The history behind spread and birth of Islam are not as peaceful and "friendly" as its being projected here.
The first half and second half of Koran sound bipolar! When the Prophet was not in seat of power the teachings were all peaceful and merciful while post return to Mecca (and power) the real face is depicted.
at 09:18 on November 14th, 2009
And the oldest Hindu Vedas say God is one ! Read them. The "war" verses, often taken out of context, were revealed when the early Muslims were under attack, from the Pagan occupants of Mecca, while themselves living in Medina ! Not Mecca, they both begin with an m, So...
at 08:47 on November 14th, 2009
Where are the editorial department describing a comment as baiting when you need them ?
at 09:49 on November 14th, 2009
As an addition regarding tax on non Muslims, interest is forbidden in Islam, Jesus overturned the tables of the money lenders, because they were dealing in interest. Jewish people are not supposed to charge interest either, although some charge interest to non Jews but not to each other, is that not the same thing as charging tax to non Muslims ? It is worth pointing out that in Islam Muslims are obligated to give money to charity, non Muslims are not. That is where this "evil" tax comes from !
at 11:48 on November 14th, 2009
I find it interesting that muslims like to quote Jesus when talking to Christians. I am curious, if Jesus is a prophet, as the muslims insist, why he isn't taken seriously by them?
at 18:31 on November 14th, 2009
He is !
at 13:20 on November 14th, 2009
Yeah, during the Civil war Blacks could not serve. WWII the Canadian Government barred the Chinese and Japanese from serving, even though hundreds of them were first to line up to fight, until Canada realised, lets give our head a shake, they're Canadians? Britan did the same to the the Germans as well. And until a decade ago Gays were pretty much barred from serving as well, not to mention women in combat roles. Funny when shit hits the fan, all of a sudden they want em. Same as Muslims, if they want to serve let em, just because one went loopy doesn't not mean you bar everyone!
at 05:44 on November 15th, 2009
If we were to apply what is happening today to WWII, then this is what it would have looked like: immigration year-on-year from Germany and Japan would have been at record levels. We wouldn't be able to find a single urban neighbourhood that wouldn't have sushi bars and bratwurst stands and beer halls. Aryan temples would be built all over the place, giving praise to the Third Reich. Japanese Shinto temples would be one of the fastest growing religions. During preparation for D-Day, a German officer serving with US forces with strong Nazi sympathies opened fire on the Screaming Eagles as they were massing to board aircraft to parachute in for the invasion of Europe. In another incident, a Japanese officer serving with US forces used a samari sword to hack down 20 airforce pilots at a base in Hawaii. These would be described as 'one-off' acts of madmen. The US Congress in 1942 would have passed legislation to allow the use of a parallel legal system called 'Reichs Law' and also all disputes could be resolved using Shinto principles.
at 10:10 on November 15th, 2009
So you do consider yourself to be at war with Islam then, as opposed a particular country ! A country that now supplies America with all of its Cocain needs, nine years after the supply was cut off, bad news for America if all that drug money got into the hands of those pesky rebellious South Americans !
at 14:31 on December 9th, 2009
I say to all; let the Lord "Our God" fight the battles. We are nothing compared to him and trust, he does not need our help. For life and death should only be in the hands of the almighty.