What George Mitchell and Obama Need to Know About the Middle East

by djermano | February 14, 2009 at 04:48 am

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By: Rev. Jermano

George Mitchell and President Obama need to know the reality in the Middle East in order to achieve the goals of Peace in the Region. Just trying to achieve Peace between Israel and Palestine without looking at the entire region...is like putting new wine in old wine pouches.

The issue is Iran . The only reason Iran has a hostility to Israel...is because of Israels hostility to Iran... I think Iran will be very supportive of the process, but this whole thing is revolving around the power struggle which still captivates them in the Middle East. We are talking about balancing the Atomic Bomb power of nations.

All of the Middle Eastern Countries except Israel are without a military deterrent. George Mitchell must be aware of this. No it is more than Palestines Statehood at stake.....it is about real security in the Middle East.....and that does not include the US....who supports Israel..with its Atomic Aplomb....

Why should Israel hold such power over all the Middle East? If they want Iran to stop its nuclear program....shouldn't Israel also follow in step by dismantling too? If not then Iran has a right to have its nuclear capacity....

George Mitchell and President Obama must realize they will get no where in the Israeli and Palestinian peace talks without working out the nuclear issue in the Middle East. This is real stuff.

Think about all the rich oil resource countries in the middle east and they have no nuclear deterrent from Superpowers who have no Oil resources. They saw what happened to Iraq...they are going to be pursuing their own bomb.....or to agree to keep the Middle East nuclear free.....which means Israel must step up to the plate and dismantle its French made hard water facility.

Once that issue is resolved there is more of a chance for peace to be realized with Israel and Palestine. Israel must discuss its reasons for keeping Palestinains and Arabs out of their Democracy. They must determine what kind of Democracy they have? Democracy is not known to exclude people in its real definition.....but the Israelis fear they will loose Democratic control of Israel....so they follow this type of Apartheid Democracy for Israel.

Just what is Israel? Whereas Hamas has a real Democracy... I have not heard it will exclude Jews from living in Palestine....although the topic may not have been mentioned...certainly Jews probably fear more to live in Palestine, than Palestinians living in Israel.

If they agree to a two State solution.....is that really a solution? A real solution would be to return lands and stop occupying right? And what about the issue of changing swords for jobs? There can not be co-existence without work and jobs being created...to support their new States. I have an idea to build manmade land off the coast of Israel...for both Palestinians and Israeli's as a project of Peace for them. This would be bigger than the creation of the Egyptian Pyramids...........Because it will mean so much more....because of it being the symbol and effort of work for the peoples both Israelis and Palestinianst to achieve peace there.

Obama I am certain has no clue to the issues I have mentioned....because the Mainstream Media does not mention any of this......except innuendo's about a two State solution. There are real issues that need to be addressed.....to bring sight and vision to the future to end this protracted 60 years + of blindness.

Rev. Jermano....

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voiceforpeace

at 06:19 on February 14th, 2009

Dear Jermano, as usual it is a great article. I do not know whether Obama is reading the NP or other sites. If he starts reading your articles then I think he will be able to know the real situation. I am still waitinng for your role in bringing peace to Bajaur Agency, tribal areas situated on Pak-Afghan border. I am still waiting for your visit to my hometown. I am still eager to open the head office of International Institute of Nonviolence. The Institute will work for creating awareness among the tribesmen. The Institute will work for establishing rule of law in the tribal areas.

djermano

at 05:29 on February 15th, 2009

Did you hear about the UN official from the US being kidnapped in Pakistan? His driver was killed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090215/ap_on_re_us/as_pakistan....

Also about a year before the invasion of Iraq, but clearly after 911 happened Pakistani's killed Wall Street Journalist Daniel Pearl.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/pearl-022102.htm......

I am not naive to these realities....And then to think I am going to walk into Pakistan to expect the same thing..?....even when I clearly have opposed Bush and the War on terror since it's inception, to include believing 911 was orchestrated by the Bush administration not binLadin. Do you really think the Taliban will spare my life if I come? And if you do.....do you think the Bush war people will give a shit about what I think in ending the war.....thinking I am nothing but an American taliban that deserves the same fate of death as a common terrorist? I am not the kind of guy to walk into my suicide by going to Pakistan in recent days.

Daniel Pearl was no dove or Nonviolence supporter...he was a Journalist....and most associate journalists as spies... I have no idea who killed Daniel....and think it was really a dumb thing to do......but of course I do not know the whole story.... Anyway of finding out more to why he was killed? I know there were grievences when Pakistan paid good money for F-16's and the US never delivered those planes, or returned the money....In fact I believe this happened before 911 occured.

In December 1981, the government of Pakistan signed a letter of agreement for the purchase of 40 F-16A/B (28 F-16A and 12 F-16B) fighters for the Pakistan Air Force. The first aircraft were accepted in October 1982. The Pakistani F-16s are all Block 15 aircraft, the final version of the F-16A production run. They are powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200 turbofan engine. All 40 aircraft were delivered between 1983 and 1987. Pakistan ordered 71 additional Block 15 F-16 aircraft, 11 in December 1988 and 60 in November 1989. However, due to the U.S. embargo of military equipment, only 28 of these aircraft were built, and they were placed in storage at the U.S. Air Force Aircraft Maintenance and Regeneration Center in Tucson, Ariz.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-16-fms.htm......

Thanks for comment VP. The UN needs The new International Institute of Nonviolence...

The UN needs to learn they need many small Institutes with similar ideas....instead of one big Giant UN order.... This makes people more flexible in doing and achieving things for the better good.

Rev.

tikun

at 07:06 on February 14th, 2009

Hi djermano,

you said,"Why should Israel hold such power over all the Middle East? If they want Iran to stop its nuclear program....shouldn't Israel also follow in step by dismantling too? If not then Iran has a right to have its nuclear capacity".

Israel is NOT the belligerent one in this case. It is Iran that wants to wipe Israel off the map.

you said,"Israel must discuss its reasons for keeping Palestinains and Arabs out of their Democracy. They must determine what kind of Democracy they have? Democracy is not known to exclude people in its real definition.....but the Israelis fear they will loose Democratic control of Israel....so they follow this type of Apartheid Democracy for Israel.

Arabs are in Israeli democracy presently. Please review the latest elections. Israel is a Jewish State. Whether you want it to be or not it is and will remain Jewish with a non-Jewish minority. Otherwise there will be no Israel. You can use all the buzz words you want but it is a bit disingenuous to want Israel to absorb the Palestinians into Israel proper. That's Iran's/Hezbullah/Hamas axis greatest dream.

Come on now you know this isn't the truth. It is official policy of the Palestinian Authority that no Jews will be allowed to live in the new formed Palestinian State. This has been brought up before and shot down. I think you really need to come to grips with a Jewish State and the reason it was founded once again and the reason it will continue to exist unless Iran has its way. then you can forget about life on earth as we know it today or tomorrow.

djermano

at 17:05 on February 14th, 2009

The issue is Tikun...Israel has the bomb......and the rest of the Middle East does not. This creates a power vacuum...this make Israel appear as the threat. I don't see how you can deny this.

You have told me before; Israel will not allow more Palestinians to live in Israel to overwhelm the Jewish control of Israel. In other words....if the Palestinians vote on a topic that is not supported by Israeli, the Israeli's will not follow the rule of law that supports the laws that represent their Democracy, by acknowledging they lost the vote result.. It is very evident Tikun. Even when Hamas was elected outside of Israel....Israel refused to recognize the people voted for him. I do not know how you think Israel will lose itself if Jews don't control everything.

I am not being disingenuous because Netanyahu does not support 2 State solution! How does he suppose Palestinians can vote, when Israel will not let them? So since Netanyahu's Israel will not let them vote....Kadima supports the 2 State solution. This does not solve the issue of your apartheid democracy either...in that Kadima really supports segregation not a 2 State solution.

I am sure Palestinians would allow Jews to live in Palestine if they bought the land or rented the land from them.....or worked there following the laws.

I am bringing up the real issues to the problem in Israel and what needs to considered for lasting peace. Iran is not going to level an atomic bomb on Israel......Clearly Israel is the provoctor, because they already have the bomb....

Rev. Jermano

Roy C

at 17:10 on February 14th, 2009

Pakistanis have the bomb. What good does it do them? I trust the Jews. I don't trust Iranian mullahs.

gerrypopplestone

at 01:20 on February 16th, 2009

After all the shady deals the Israelis have entered into, Im deeply suspicious of their politicians! Settlements on the West Bank, their treatment of that so called Vavunyia(?), the Bomb, the amount of aid they get from the US, the US-Jewish lobby, the way the lobby suppresses reports unfavourable to them, ADL's attempts to stifle criticism of any Jewish activities, the dreadful open racist descriptions of Netanyahu towards the Palestinians, etc etc. the list is enormous!

djermano

at 05:42 on February 15th, 2009

Hello Roy C.

That might be another way of saying India has the bomb...what good does it do them?

America has the bomb. What good does it do them? and yes the issue is about trust. If we don't trust.....we create more distrust. Once upon a time we did not trust Russia, we did not trust the chinese, we didn't even trust the British....But of course we don't trust the Democrats or the Republicans for that matter do we? We have been lied too, taken to war, that has killed many innocent people. Since I am an American and lived in America....people around the world associate me to those crimes. I don't like that association because I did not do them, or think my government was right. Now either people trust me, or they don't. Clearly the Bush people do not trust me......because I was against their war.......and I am against violence.

Now go figure Roy......No matter if I support the end to nuclear weapons on the planet, I am not trusted.....or if I support Iran in getting the bomb......I am also not trusted.....

So what the F#&$@?

Rev.

I trust the Iranians.....because it is the benefit of the doubt.....and the US has already proven its failed policies by actually to have been the only nation in the world to use nuclear weapons to kill innocent Japanese people. What don't you see there about the Story of TRUST?...........Not to hard to figure out.....that is if I trust my own internal instincts....

Rev. Jermano

Roy C

at 13:04 on February 15th, 2009

The bomb kept us from having WWIII. Instead, we had a Cold War which the Soviet Union lost when its parasitic elite sucked the system dry.

I trust the Iranians I know in the US. I don't trust religious or Marxist fanatics, and I don't trust any kind of idealist at all.

They will sell you down the river for their ideals, unable to renounce their favorite, embittered by having to acknowledge the validity of the opposite.

What the Iranian gov't does to its citizens is a badge telling us what will go wrong when they have more power.

djermano

at 04:33 on February 16th, 2009

Hello Roy,

And you think the 700 billion bank bailout, and now the 785 billion stimulus Obama achieved is not a reminiscence of the same troubles Russia faced back in 1991?

The bomb clearly did not prevent the happening of WWIII. Quite the opposite...it has encouraged its time toward arrival. Hell might as well say America actually helped Russia get the bomb, when you learn about all the American scientists involved with Russia... We were sold down the river Roy....by the Bush administration.....the guys who planned with Israel to do 911 and blame foreigners....to wage a lying War in Iraq and Afghanistan. Idealist I would trust more than the lying snakes in the US government....at least they tell us the plan.....where everything in the US is a Secret this, a secret that.... a secret Army, or a Secret Service...... First order of business is there are no secrets.....Funny that the guys who have all these secrets are the first to wiretap anyone..... And that's no secret.

And just what does the Iranian government do to its citizens? They excuted gays? In the US they execute gays too....does Iran blow airliners out of the sky...killing all the passengers like the US did? Does Iran crash planes into tall buildings to frighten everyone to go to war. . as the Bush people did on 911? Did Iran come to the USA and drill Oil wells, and give nothing to the American people for the Oil they extracted from American dirt? Oh...didn't think so.... Did Iranians buy slaves and have black slaves do their work for over 100 years?

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Iran_hostage_crisis.....

Ah but you don't trust the Iranians?

But then again the Iranians did take 52 hostages, because they ran out of patience going back to 1953....in which the US overthrew the Democratically elected Moassadegh....to install a DICTATOR: the Shah of Iran.... I don't know about you Roy....but a dictator is not an appealing governmental choice....so do I blame Iran wanting to over throw a dictator? Not one bit....Who do I question? The crooks and liars in the USA, and their belligerant CIA.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html.......

It was the 1980s. Saddam was America's puppet in Iraq fighting the Iranians who has just turned into an Islamic state after America's puppet - The Shah of Iran - died of cancer. Osama binLaden was our buddy in Afganastan and the Taliban was known as the MujaHadine Freedom Fighters. Reagan was trading arms for hostages to fund an illegal war against the Sandinista-controlled government of Nicaragua. And now Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfield was making oil deals with Saddam Hussein. We now accuse Saddam of gassing his own people and we want to put him on trial for it. And - if he did it - he deserves to die for it. But America gave Saddam the poison gas that he used to kill the Kurds - a gas that he was supposed to use to kill Iranians.

Poison gas is illegal under International Law and America making it is illegal. But Americans are above the law - or specifically Republican Presidents are above the law - and we make nerve gas and we gave it to Saddam to use to kill people in Iran - which Saddam also did.

So - you see - Republicans interpret the law differently than the rest of the world. It's OK to gas Iranians - but it's not OK to gas Kurds. If Saddam if found guilty then i- in my view - his partner Ronald Reagan is also guilty. Reagan gave Saddam poison gas to kill Iranians and Saddam did what Reagan wanted - but he just gased some Kurds on the side, some Kurds who were also thought to be pro Iranian backers? And how about that being able to distinguish woman and children from being victims to the gas? We used DU on Iraq that exterminated thousands of innocent people and kids, because it was done in retribution for Saddam using a gas we gave him and told him to use. What? you don't trust the Iranians? I am still scratching head..

Reality is different than American political fiction. Under International Law it's just as illegal to gas Iranians as it is to gas Kurds and the criminals include everyone who was involved which includes those who supplied Saddam with the gas with instructions to use it.

Reagan is dead now - and beyond the reach of the law. But Reagan was Saddam's partner in the gassing of the Kurds and a conviction of Saddam is also a conviction of Ronald Reagan - both of whom are criminals of war.

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000295.html...

They used profits from the sale of arms to Iran to fight another war in Nicaragua. What ? we were giving Gas to Saddam to kill Iranians, and then selling arms to Iran to give to Kurds to fight Saddam, so Saddam could gas the Kurds....so we could blame him for cold blooded murder. Then invade his country after we accomplished doing 911 to get the funding to raid Iraq, to finally catch the guy, and hang him for our crimes... Sounds reasonable.....yup it's the American way.....You're either with us or against us.?.... thanks for the option......and I am clearly against....because those people in office in the United States during the Reagan and Bush years....clearly were not Americans....They were criminals.

Rev. Jermano

gerrypopplestone

at 01:11 on February 16th, 2009

Good piece, djermano, although I dont fully agree with all you write. The Bomb is indeed a huge issue that should have ben tackled much earlier. I can't see it being dealt with now, although I agree it is a huge sticking p[oint. One of the bad focusses of US foreign policy is that it often surrounds countries it sees as a possible threat with allies of its own creation. It has done this with China. And it obliges other countries to be m,ore aggressive. There is something of this in Iran. I'm not surprised some people in Iran feel shakey about the West: we Brits were quite terrible in what we did.