What's Next in Arizona? Efforts to Repeal 14th Amendment Rights

Karen, I encounter the problem every time that I hit publish. I have to edit and reinsert each url, then publish again. Usually, but not always, it posts.

LMAO! Have you read SB1070? What is it exactly that you don't like about the federal immigration statutes? SB1070 is completely consistent with the federal immigration statutes. It was passed out of necessity because the federal government refuses to enforce the immigration laws that are currently on the books. Would I be out of line if I said that you just want more people of color here in the U.S.? And if I was out of line, could you explain why?

I've said it before and I say it again: The federal government's utter refusal to enforce the immigration statutes is going to result in the political pendulum swinging far to the right and staying there for decades. The only thing that will bring the pendulum back toward the middle  is if the American voter demographics change dramatically. The American voters have simply had it and poll after poll indicates that. Even 62 percent of Independent voters have had it with the Fed's failure to enforce immigration statutes. I personally don't think that it's a good thing for the House, Senate, and Administration to be filled with right-wingers. And I feel the same about left-wingers. But unless the government can convince the American voter that it's on the side of the American people when it comes to the immigration issue, there's no turning back and that pendulum is going to be stuck on the right for a long time.

I expect a lot of politicians to push for Constitutional restrictions as a result of the immigration issue. The left does it any time something comes along that doesn't conform to their ideological view.  So why shouldn't the right do the same thing? The pot can call the kettle black all that it wants. . . . .

Ah yes, Karen,  the good ole days!!  There is no going back to former times.  What must be done with the nostalgia  -  which we do not share -  is for those who are awash in it to alter their view,  see the logical fallacies implicit in their own words, and to learn it is best to inherit and surpass the good things of the past,  while understanding that the worst of it had to be gone beyond.  This is progress.

well, I am radically inclined in this area:  I will not even venture to say what I have in mind by progress....

i think that people should read the actual bill and stop listening to propaganda

Karen, good stuff. Thanks for suffering through the technical frustrations to post it.

Rory, I have read the bill; it's pretty short as legislation goes, and it appears to conflict with division of authority between the states and the federal govenment. Immigration law is within the control of the federal government, not the states.

Arizona cannot amend the U.S. Constitution; no state can do so. There can be a state by state referendum to amend the constitution, but no single state can simply amend a provison of the U.S. Constitution. Pearce needs to get some better legal staff.

Why are some white people so worried about becoming a numerical minority? What is the arrogance that makes you presume that a white majorty is to be desired above all else?  Hate to tell you this, but worldwide you are already a minority. With any luck, people of color won't feel a need to subjugate you based on the color of your skin the way so many of your people have over the centuries in Africa, India, Asia, the Americas, Australia...It seems that everywhere Europeans have gone there has been a need to assert a belief in their superiority.

Who are these American people that you speak of so reverentially? White people? That's the supreme arrogance. You see, I'm an American too, as are millions of other people of color. For the most part, we Do you honestly believe that the only America that counts is the one that you acknowledge, an America of white people?  You do know that not all white people are obsessed with this need to declare your superiority? There are a lot of folks who want to work together towards mutual respect and equality.

You are not a racist. (Just thought I'd save you the time of saying so.) I really don't know what you are. Perhaps just a prankster who wanted to see what kind of response utter nonsense would receive from others. Perhaps you really believe that being white entitles you to some special privileges. Maybe you believe that more people of color is a really bad, bad thing. Get over it Rory, the revolution has already taken place and we are not goign to allow the clock to be turned back.

The old story is that if you repeat a lie over and over eventually it becomes the truth to those who hear it. The real truth is that the Arizona law as I have read it doesn't create a new law but requires enforcement of the federal law as written. I read the post Karen about the "good Ole Days". What generation has not wanted a better day for themselves and their children. I too long for a day of less crime, less drugs, less hatred. It's not the color of the skin or the nation from which they come that concerns most "white" Americans. It the loss or perceived  loss of culture for lack of a better word. Even if we never lived up to it. America was based on certain values. Those values are eroding at a very fast pace. Gangs and drug crimes are out of control. An unsecured boarder with a country that is full of corruption is in no way good for America. White Americans simply want the drug cartels and terrorist who cross our southern boarder to stay out and the crime to stay south of the boarder. As for Hispanic, African Americans, Irish, Chinese or whatever, as long as they come to this country legally and with a "Love" for what this country stands for, then come one come all. We must remain a melting pot and not a salad bowl or we will fail. Raising the Mexican flag and then turning the American flag upside down below it doesn't sound like they are wanting the Melting pot at all. Shouting that the Southwest was taken from them and they will fight for it's return doesn't help either. When pushed into a corner people fight back. When people stop and listen to each others concerns with respect, a bond is created.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

If you were born in America ( to legal citizens or persons who had a legal reason for being here, as intended by the writers of the amendment) you were a citizen.  If you were naturalized, then you were a citizen. If you were born hear to a person who is here illegally and who is by being here breaking our laws, then you do not meet the requirements of being a citizen. You can try to reason it any other way, but if doesn't make since to give citizenship to the child of someone who has come here illegally.

There are more racist quotes you need to include to make your case against these extremist bigots:

There can be no white-latino unity until there is first some white unity.... We cannot think of uniting with others, until after we have first united among ourselves. We cannot think of being acceptable to others until we have first proven acceptable to ourselves.

We white men have a hard enough time in our own struggle for justice, and already have enough enemies as it is, to make the drastic mistake of attacking each other and adding more weight to an already unbearable load.

I've never seen a sincere latino man, not when it comes to helping Americans. Usually things like this are done by latino people to benefit themselves.

 The death of over 120 black people is a very beautiful thing.

John Tanton, you bastard! Oh wait, he didn't say all that- substitute the white with black, and latino for white, and those are quotes from Malcolm X, who the author of this article is celebrating in her most recent other article.

But we know if you say BLACK POWER it's okay. If you say WHITE POWER you're a racist bigot.

An opinion offered by former entertainment reviewer turned Right Wing conservative pundit, Michael Medved, noting the incongruity of ideological practice of the Tea Party and Tea Party favorite Rand Paul, as revealed by their desire not to adhere to the U.S. Constitution:

.... with Mr. Medved further stating:

Of course, as there are those that take issue with all Constitutional amendments enacted after the first ten amendments, a.k.a. the Bill of Rights, I guess there's always that line of logic for them to offer as a defense for their position.

Sean Thibodeau at SusPack - Arizona Republicans Seek To Tear Down Statue of Liberty. suspiciouspackaging.blogspot.com/2010/08/arizona-republicans-seek-to-tear-down.html In a shocking move (well from Arizona these days, maybe not so shocking), the same Arizona Republicans that want to further enslave Mexicans and deny person born on United States soil (despite this being the law of the United States for 150 years) have asked that the Statue of Liberty be torn down.  Announcing that they detest the pagan symbol of a Roman goddess and detest freedom, the Arizonians want to have a  "pure" race so we need to rid the US of unwanteds.