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White House remains silent as Iraq repeats demands for withdrawal timetable
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by dunkelberg | July 7, 2008 at 03:17 pm
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UPDATE: Fox News 8 July 2008
BAGHDAD — Iraq's national security adviser said Tuesday his country will not accept any security deal with the United States unless it contains specific dates for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces.
The comments by Mouwaffak al-Rubaie were the strongest yet by an Iraqi official about the deal now under negotiation with U.S. officials. It came a day after Iraq's prime minister first said publicly that he expects the pending troop deal with the United States to have some type of timetable for withdrawal.
U.S. President George W. Bush has said he opposes a timetable. The White House said Monday it did not believe al-Maliki was proposing a rigid timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals.
U.S. officials had no immediate comment Tuesday on al-Rubaie's words.
Original Story -
Iraq's prime minister says he wants a timetable for U.S. withdrawal from his country. The Associated Press Monday reports the timetable would be part of any deal to extend U.S. troops presence in Iraq past the expiration of the UN mandate at the end of the year.
Some type of agreement is needed to keep U.S. troops in Iraq after a U.N. mandate expires at year's end. But many Iraqi lawmakers had criticized the government's attempt to negotiate a formal status of forces agreement, worried that U.S. demands would threaten the country's sovereignty.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said the memorandum "now on the table" includes a formula for the withdrawal of U.S. troops — an idea opposed by President Bush.
"The goal is to end the presence (of foreign troops)," al-Maliki told several Arab ambassadors to the United Arab Emirates during a meeting in Abu Dhabi.
The Washington Post reports al-Maliki wants an agreement for withdrawal or one with a withdrawal timetable included.
"The current trend is to reach an agreement on a memorandum of understanding either for the departure of the forces or a memorandum of understanding to put a timetable on their withdrawal," Maliki said, according to a statement released Monday by his office that did not specify how long a period a memorandum would cover. "In all cases, the basis for any agreement will be respect for the full sovereignty of Iraq."
OPINION: Al-Maliki is not about to throw out coalition troops heads over heels. I believe he has met the enemy and it is us. He is posturing plain and simple. However, it is obvious the talks are not going well.
Perhaps, he feels he can get the people to rally behind him enough that in the end the U.S. will get no permanent bases, but he will back down on the timetable. That way, both executives come out looking strong - or at least have a better chance of spinning it that way.
He needs to rally his troops to get support for any deal. Once again, "The Great Satan" is a logical choice.
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at 15:49 on July 7th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 16:00 on July 7th, 2008
Interesting. Do you think this news will affect the ongoing U.S.-Iraq security pact negotiations?
at 16:20 on July 7th, 2008
This is meant to derail those talks.
He is telling us we can have anything we want, as long as it is what they want.
at 16:21 on July 7th, 2008
Nope no mention at all. It appears he is taking this stand as a unifying position for the parliament and UAE (and its money). They can throw us out and then have at each other again.
at 16:29 on July 7th, 2008
Maliki would have no cojones if it wasn' for Bush and the war. Nobody would have heard of Maliki. Many were doing everything in their power to ensure defeat for America in Iraq they know who they are don't they? They reported set backs for the US with glee. Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied. The POTUS doesn't have to lie to convince the idiots in congress to agree with him. So when the US hands Iraq their freedom to decide the future of their country those same people say finally. This is funny....
at 18:13 on July 7th, 2008
Using the same logic, Vietnam owes its reunification to Lyndon B. Johnson. Somehow, that doesn't ring true.
Is a POTUS something made by Koehler? If it doesn't have to lie to Congress to get it to agree with it, why did it?
at 19:20 on July 7th, 2008
Good points Mpress. If we are asked to leave, we will leave, but in a way that doesn't cause lives. The PM wanted us there until he announced to the world that the terrorists have been defeated. Bush lied about WMD ? Now that the last bit of Saadam's Nuclear program have been removed , folks can say that again. I am glad things are so good that Maiki wants us out. It means America has won in the Iraqi theater now we can focus our efforts back on Afghanistan.
at 19:28 on July 7th, 2008
Ok, then. Everybody out of Iraq. Now!
at 19:31 on July 7th, 2008
This is funny....
You find war "funny"?
Might have known.
Many were doing everything in their power to ensure defeat for America in Iraq they know who they are don't they?
Who? Or are you like McCarthy waving papers and schrieking "I have a list!"
at 16:56 on July 7th, 2008
Dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff.
at 18:05 on July 7th, 2008
Thanks ma'am.
at 19:11 on July 7th, 2008
You're welcome, sir. And President Bush did say ....
In an article from the New York Times in 2005:
But asked if, as a matter of principle, the United States would pull out of Iraq at the request of a new government, he said: "Absolutely. This is a sovereign government. They're on their feet."
at 19:55 on July 7th, 2008
I am glad Maliki wants us out. It's a good excuse to come home. I never liked this was any way. I am glad we defeated Saddam and gave the Iraqis Democracy so they can argue like us. I think President Bush will now increase withdraw now. It is a good excuse to end the war in Iraq.
at 20:13 on July 7th, 2008
Let's hope those in power seize the opportunity.
at 18:01 on July 7th, 2008
He already has flip-flopped. He's already said he didn't mean what he said.
Flip flops in the good old U.S. of A. also are footwear, such as those pictured here at right ($13.95 at wearyourbeer.com. I think that works out to £1.37 at the current exchange rate - $2.87 CAN). They also are known as "zories" (there is, I kid you not, an Amazon.com zories group, although I suspect it is a figment of the search engine's algorithm.)
They also rejoice in the name "thong", though obviously not so much anymore. However, it is a reference one should remember when the occasion arises.
As far as politics go, Wikipedia tells us:
Given a wild guess, frankly, I would have guessed it had to do with landed fish flip flopping around on land. However, I guess they just flop until they are flipped back into the water or the cooler.
In any event, I would advise against ordering a "pair of pink McCains" in any event.
Thanks!
Cheers!
at 18:04 on July 7th, 2008
dunkelberg, thanks for that Wiki definition, certainly makes it clear that this headline was used exactly correctly.
About the actual product of flip flops, I view them as appropriate only for home, beach, pool, or getting a pedicure. I can't believe people run around town in them! However, I know that I am in the absolute minority in this belief. ;}
at 19:18 on July 7th, 2008
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/57-states-moslem-and-obama-flipper-man-seasonal-principles#comment-119856
57 States of Moslem and Obama the Flipper, A Man of Seasonal Principles
Not only is the headline loose and stinky baby poop. The entire posting is an infantile violation of NowPress guidelines.
However, it seems no one in charge seems to care about that much anymore.
Go back to your Koehler, your POTUS is calling.
at 20:07 on July 7th, 2008
NowPress? Wait, where am I!?!?!
at 20:10 on July 7th, 2008
Wait, you're lost too? Apparently I'm off shopping in the bathroom fixtures aisle. ;}
at 18:06 on July 7th, 2008
I thought the Maliki government was just a puppet of President Bush? How could they do this? - of course I'm being sarcastic.
So did Bush lie when he said he wanted to create a democracy in Iraq? It seems like that's what they have.
at 18:21 on July 7th, 2008
If that turns out to be the case, I am sure the hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded will be thrilled at the results of the phony war.
at 18:34 on July 7th, 2008
Fine, then why can't everyone come home right now?
Well?
at 20:06 on July 7th, 2008
The Iraqi government has not asked for us to leave yet. Why don't you let the adults decide this one.
at 19:58 on July 7th, 2008
So instead of defending one of your dear lib talking points (i.e. the Maliki government is just a puppet government) you go to another talking point: "people died, it wasn't worth it!" What's it going to be tomorrow?
at 18:52 on July 7th, 2008
dunkelberg, I like this story. It's good stuff.
I wonder why he didn't speak up sooner. Probably because he was still feeling the noose around Saddams neck, he didn't want to be next. Maybe after the USA arms Iraqi forces they will turn the civil war on the USA instead. Wouldn't that be interesting. No real Iraq citizen wants the US in their homeland. US get back into your own dog pen and stay there.
at 19:05 on July 7th, 2008
Maybe after the USA arms Iraqi forces they will turn the civil war on the USA instead ... US get back into your own dog pen and stay there.
HOLD ON THERE!
The President of the United States currently in office is a liar and jerk. Boy George Bush has done more to harm this nation's reputation and honor than any ANY president in history. I cannot wait to see him and the sycophants who swarm around him (many are here) out of office. I pray to God we don't get four more years of the same by electing McCain/Bush. Boy George Bush and his crew are swine on their best days.
HOWEVER!!!!
I think you are insane or equally as evil as Boy George Bush if you wish a civil war on the US. Are you mad? What would that accomplish? Besides, so far, we've been able to solve our governance problems relatively peacefully since 1865. Thank you, we have had a civil war.
Would you like us to wish another "Cultural Revolution" on China? Would you like to hear us call for another "Long March"?
AND DON'T YOU EVER FOUL ANOTHER ONE OF MY POSTS WITH SUCH MORONIC, IDIOTIC AND UTTERLY STUPID PHRASES AS "GO BACK TO YOUR OWN DOG PEN"
I don't agree with a lot of what some of these people say, but I'll be damned if I'll let you get away with that kind of garbage.
I think you owe us all an apology.
at 20:08 on July 7th, 2008
Instead of using "moronic, idiotic and utterly stupid" phrases, perhaps he could just follow your template:
"Not only is the headline loose and stinky baby poop. The entire posting is an infantile violation of NowPress guidelines.
However, it seems no one in charge seems to care about that much anymore.
Go back to your Koehler, your POTUS is calling."
Eh? If one wishes to have reasonable discourse on one's posts, then perhaps one might consider modeling that type of discourse. Just a suggestion lest you run afoul of the Flaming Policy.
You've gotten off to a good start, wouldn't it be nice to continue on that course? I really hope you do re-consider; this is, after all, just a political discussion on the internet. If things go to this level, can we then wonder why people in real life wind up bombing and shooting at each other?
If we can not speak well to each other just typing in to each other, then perhaps we will never learn how to truly negotiate in our world. Scary thought.
I do wish you well.
at 20:28 on July 7th, 2008
Cheers, luv!
at 21:22 on July 7th, 2008
>> "The President of the United States currently in office is a liar and jerk. Boy George Bush has done more to harm this nation's reputation and honor than any ANY president in history. I cannot wait to see him and the sycophants who swarm around him (many are here) out of office. I pray to God we don't get four more years of the same by electing McCain/Bush. Boy George Bush and his crew are swine on their best days."
I just wanted to say "I second that" — even though my words wouldn't have been so kind. ; )
at 19:08 on July 7th, 2008
I was talking about the Iraqi Civil War. woof!