Will Muslims dominate the West?

Thanks for the comments Sathyajith, you have to agree though, regardless of what may have transpired, telling immigrants to assimilate into European culture and decades of letting them live their lives as they saw fit, certainly will not work.

Hence why their is a movement in Canada to request our Government issue an edict that all immigrants before they move to Canada read what we are all about first, before making a decision to immigrate here, and to outline what Cultural custom are acceptable and what is not acceptable in Canada.

Well, For one you over simplify and two, you demonize and finally you forget that Christianity was forced upon Europe as was Islam upon the Middle East and North Africa.

The world keeps on changing and there is nothing wrong with that.

One day we may be able to rid our self from all this partisan and racist phobia. 

There seems to be an amazing amount of blame throwing all around the globe. Since EVERYONE seems to have their favorite Villain(s) conveniently available, what actually might be the problems derailing the quest for the "Brave New World" and who, REALLY, might bear at least SOME of the responsibility? Well, these are my best guesses/opinions:

A. Most of the world is governed by "Isms" whose ideas/philosophies/tenets/politics control jurisprudence and whatever passes for rligion, culture, science, and media. (So far the Internet remains the sole means to cut through all this, but they're always trying to find ways of controlling & limiting access/usability.)

B. If stagnant ruling idealogues weren't enough, we then have diverse "Legitimate and Illegal" Enterprises cutting into the mess said governments support for fun and profit.

C Also, Governments, Religious Authorities, and Big Business have been spinning "Us and Them" propaganda to the masses for EONS!(With SO much real information available in mass quantities BECAUSE of the Internet, why do so MANY hold on to their conventional fictions in face of revelatory information to the otherwise?!)

D. Lastly, there are a few dozen old, ancient in some cases, families of immense wealth and prestige who seem to profit from whatever the winds of change blow down the highway of history. (Think the Rothschilds and WWII...)

You can call me a Conspiracy Theorist, but since none of these factors seem to ACTUALLY cooperate effectively on any real level without keeping their own vested interests as a primary focus, (IF they did, there would be ALOT more capital being created on the planet, some of which might actually benefit a few more of us, as it probably couldn't be helped...)the planet just isn't EFFICIENT enough to qualify, as such. SO,if we were EVER to actually see a Global Planetary Government, it would have to address ALL of these issues effectively, or become the ultimately WORST joke foisted upon Home Sapiens, yet.

There is one important factor that is forgotten in this discussion, wish would be the number of Germans leaving Germany or the number of European Leaving their home land.

The German Statistic Amt has very interesting figures.

Most of the immigrants came from EU countries, with 119,000 Poles forming by far the largest group. Only Turkey, with 26,200 immigrants, remains a substantial source of immigration from outside the EU.

Quite a few (108,000) were Germans coming back, mostly from Poland and the USA.

Meanwhile, the numbers of Germans and foreigners leaving the country continues to rise; altogether 56,000 more people left than arrived. The Statistical Office in Wiesbaden.

Those are only the numbers for last year.  It's rather clear that, even though the number of foreigners arriving is still greater than the number of those leaving (+11,000), the total for German movements is seriously negative (-66,000).

More Germans have left Germany for Australia, Namibia, Canada, Brazil and other countries then Muslim coming to Germany.

A large number of highly qualified Germans immigrated to England, Japan, even Russia over the past two decades. 

The emigration of Germans from Germany is more alarming then the Immigration of Muslim to Germany. 

Would Germany be able to retain its own Citizen, especially the highly qualified once in trade and Science from leaving then it would not need immigration either. 

Ironically those that are leaving have a good birth rate as well.

Thanks to Barry Artiste for that piece. You wrote:

"There is a difference, Islam is a missionizing religion, Judaism is not.  Islamists aspire to apply Islamic law to everyone, while observant Jews seek only themselves to live by Jewish law. "

Lets hope each one of your readers read these two sentences at least twice...

And if any of you would like to better understand what this means read the following book:

Modern Day Trojan Horse:  The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration By Sam Solomon and Elias Al Maqdisi ANM Publishers, 2009   139 pp., $14.95   In this compelling book, authors Sam Solomon, a former professor of shari'ah law and convert to Christianity, and Elias Al Maqdisi, an expert on Islamic teachings, explain the migration of Muslims to the Dar-al-Harb, the "land of war," as a religious edict with a basis in Islamic doctrine.  They delineate the step-by-step process of this 1,400-year-old strategy of conquest. It is a transitional strategy which they characterize as the most important step in spreading Islam and preparing for jihad.  From their carefully delineated treatise on Hijra, it is clear that migration in concert with military conquest comprise the bookends of Islamic expansionism.    André Drouin   Herouxville   Qc

Thanks everyone for your comments and discussions, it is truly appreciative.

the person that wrote that is very confused

they have not been in europe for thousands of years they invaded twice first in the 7th century and 2nd in the 14th century in the process destroying the european civilisations in the way these people are dam right dangerous look at the middle east they can't even live with each other and absolutly hate israil, and the jews were there a long time before them and christians before them

also the muslims stole maths and all that form the easter roman empire (the greeks) when they invaded roman (christian) africa and the holy land, islam is 500 years behind  i dont see father mathew or rabbi abraham strapped up with bombs but i can see mohamed mehmet ali blowing up the infedels ins the name of allah, remember mohamed was a conquerer not a holy man 

Hello to everyone,

I am very worried about the confusion of many people who have posted here. I am an English born Muslim revert who does not understand the hostility to Islam, and would like to clear up a few points that have been discused within the written text and resulting comments. 

Firstly the law of Shari'a is a complete legal system sent down to the Prophet Mohammad from Allah. If studied correctly and completly one will find a totaly fair system. People often confuse true Shari'a Laws with cirtain bizare laws passed by the group of Muslims( if they can be called that) called the Shia. One recent one is that a woman cannot refuse her husband sex, and if she does he can withold her sustanance untill she complys. This is in no way advocated in true Shari'a law.

People often have plenty to say about a religion they neither like or understand, and I can accept that a few so called Muslims have created a bad name for the rest, but I believe we as a population of human beings should make the effort to recognise the bad from the good.

Secondly the concept of Jihad has been pulled out of all proportions by the media. Jihad is not solely about killing the infidels( totally funny expression if you ask me) The concept of Jihad encompases everything, me talking with my father( who is non- muslim) on issues regarding Islam is my Jihad, Muslims organising a religious get together involving religious and non religious alike is their Jihad and the list goes on.

The killing of innocent people, woman, children ect IS NOT JIHAD, it is murder plain and simple. The perpatrators of these crimes have no real grasp of what their religion is about much like many people in western countries and the people responsible for these posts.

An infidel is not a non-muslim, an infidel is an oppressor who will not let you live as you see fit. Many people do not understand they believe that we Muslims believe ourselves to be superiour to the Jew or the Christian, how wrong they are, they do not understand the amount of love or respect their religions, books( in their original form) ect are due. As people of the book( as they are termed in the Quran) they do differ from us in cirtain areas of faith, such as the Christians belief that Jesus was devine ect.

With regard to the comment that Muslims want to force Shari'a Law on everyone, what are the grounds for this acusation? and do you no the ammount of NON-MUSLIMS in England who are opting to use Shari'a Law to solve their problems especially in areas regarding Family Law.

I would like to respond to the comment posted by "muslims are terrorists" with regard to the Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) being a conquerer not a holy man. Did you no that the Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) went to a village to talk to the people about Islam(on his own) the people did not believe his words and chased him from the village, pelting his legs and ankles with stones untill they bled profusly and he could hardly walk, he was asked if he wished the village and its inhabitants to be wiped off the face of the earth and he said "leave them be for their next generations could be Muslim" this is the compassion of the Prophet, some conquerer dont you think

Also when the Prophet went to Medina contracts were drawn up between the Jews of Medina and the Muslims, contracts to do with living arrangements, money ect, who were the first to brake these contracts? the Jewish people( or to be correct a very few Jewish people, the majority being very happy with everything) you only need to look into the history to see that.

With regards to the comment about Muslim woman getting educated so that a change will be brought about in the religion, what does this mean? for a start you cannot change a religion and secondly Muslim woman are very educated both here( England) and abroad. One example my fionce's neice in Pakistan just gained 940points out of 1050 for her G.C.S.Es and will be attending medical college come September, her mother is educated up to degree level also.

So to end my very lengthy comment I would like to say, in a so called democratic western world what is this problem we have with others wanting to practice their religions? I say live and let live, so long as your way of living does not cause harm to others.

One point for thought though, the Prophets of the Jews, Christians and Muslims were all sent with the same message, which was, "their is one God and worship none but him" so are these three religions actually any different?

Salaam Al aykum (peace be unto you)

( And for a giggle I would like to go back to Jihad again, this is my Jihad for today and to my knowledge noone will die as a result of this post Inshallah ( god willing) )

My understanding of it is (and I could be wrong) that official immigration - especially where there's a specifically religious component to it is pretty strict, even in the UK. I was reading this on the requirements about the UK's points system for immigration and it seems fairly rigorous. Where I think it "falls down" is the actual implementation of the these rules which seems to let all kinds of undesirable through.

At the back of my mind is, however, the fact that we are a free country - and if you tend to libertarianism (like I do) then the practice of religion and belief is something that the State should not be getting involved with. Where the State is falling down though, is that it isn't ensuring that the rest of us are free from religion. I couldn't give a tinker's cuss if the country is 90% Muslim so long as that doesn't interfere with my right to lead my life in a non-Islamic way.

I think it's inevitable that Europe will be majority-Muslim during this century.  I also think America will be majority-Hispanic this century.  "Whites" will be a minority, but will likely still have money & power.

Also, the article here doesn't include the fact that MANY Europeans are fleeing Europe, at an increasing rate.  Certain countries could be majority-Muslim faster than expected if the trend continues, and immigrants keep having 9 kids while Europeans move out of the continent.  It could be as little as 10 years.

The most in recent times was an English couple who had 13 children, both parents had never worked in their life and were complaining because their house had become too small.

They were wanting the government to provide them with a bigger house. The general public went crazy, told them to stop having babies. Several young, working couples wrote in to the paper that published the story, saying, that it was unfair as they were wanting to have a family but had to wait as they wanted to support the child of their own back and did not want handouts.

So as you can see in my opinion, their is more of a problem with English people who are workshy but have lots of children than with Muslims or other immigrants having large families.

Certain people that claim to support democracy, equality and secularism within state, seem to change their minds when secular muslims want to join the party!    Why is Turkey not part of the EU?