Yorams back from the States Shares his views on Obama

by tikun | August 10, 2009 at 02:43 am
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Pleased that my co-host of Israelseen is back from the U.S. and now has much to say about his impressions of President Obama and his realtionship with Israel. My views are pretty much in sync with his observation of the events currently unfolding. Enjoy.

“SAUDIS REJECT AMERICAN APPROACH TO MIDEAST PEACE Prince Faisal calls for immediate final status talks. (no confidence building measures)
and “Depressing signs from Riyadh, Ramallah and Damascus.”

Upon retuning from the US, I wrote a blog but never got around to posting it. I asked the question; how many years would it take for the Middle-East overcome President Obamas well intended but tragically flawed policy initiatives? I was especially concerned with the effect of his overtures to Syria and the results this would likely have on Lebanon.

Over the past few years, as Syria tried to duck the accusations of its involvement in the murder of Lebanese PM Harriri by lowering its profile in Lebanon, American’s policy of sanctions and withdrawal of its ambassador sent a clear message of both disapproval and a subtle announcement that Syria was under observation and needed to be cautious in its policies towards Lebanon. And it was!

By announcing the return of an American ambassador plus individual high level visits to Damascus the new administration was giving a message that Assad had some wiggle room. It on Lebanon that he will wiggle!

The latest announcement that America was resuming its sanctions against Syria will prove interesting when there is also an American ambassador in Damascus.

However the latest news from the M-E, that the Arab world has returned or should I say remained in the place of three no’s reminiscent of the post ’67 three no’s that were the policy decisions in the Arab League Khartoum meeting of 1967 seem to be repeated now. And that was in response to Israel’s offer to return the “occupied territories” immediately after the Six Day War. (Before there was a question or problem of settlements.)

The Saudi foreign minister has declared that incremental moves by the kingdom to help stimulate the peace process would be a waist of time. He rejects the American administrations plan of a settlement freeze by Israel leading to, and being undertaken along side various proposed “confidence building” measures by the Arab states.

The Palestinians have added their contribution by continuing to refuse to accept Israel’s self definition as a “Jewish state”.

The real damage is that these expressions by the Arab world, after Obamas outreach combined with his insistence on what for Israelis is a major concession, the freezing of settlement activity, only strengthens Netanyahu’s refusal to smile and comply with the new American president. Even more, it reinforces the traditional distorted Israeli policy of just creating smoke then continuing with the same untenable policies, and claiming innocence all along the way. It appears, that with the help of the Palestinians and the Arab states, this time it worked AGAIN!

With this, not only are Netanyahu’s policies justified, but what’s left of The Left finds itself standing on a smaller ledge than ever before.

Its not only the Israeli Left.

If he is a man of honor, Obama must conclude that the advise given to him by his close personal advisers and the American Jewish left, which proudly declared “We have your back!” over his demands towards Israel are now left completely naked. They should have “Had his front”, been more aware where his policies were going. It was not the Israeli settlement policy which has scuttled the process and been responsible for the reputation of the president.

The real challenge to Israel and its settlement policies would have been a full court press on the Arab world to initiate the kind of statements and gestures that would have stimulated a real discussion in Israel over the settlement policy. A debate which with American pressure on the Arabs, the settlement community could have only lost. In stead, the settlement community is infinitely strengthened and has proven itself able o read the reality more accurately than the ever diminishing left or even the struggling political center which is also a looser in this festival of mistaken enthusiasm for the foreigner who will come and save us from ourselves.

The result here is that we are further than ever from a realistic adult policy visa vi Judea & Samaria and the Jews living there. The attempt to continue Sharon’s policies of reducing the Israeli presence across the Green Line have been dealt a near fatal blow. It will be years before any serious Israeli politician will dares raise that issue.

Of course Netanyahu did miss an opportunity to ride even higher. Had he gone along with Obama on the settlement issue, and then allowed the Arabs to make their traditional position clear; no recognition; no negotiations; no peace; Israel would have emerged in an even stronger position.

It should also be NOTED; in the M-E “things” do not go back to where they were before. People are too invested in wanting an end to the conflict. They actually are really affected anew each time the hopes and aspirations are proven false. With each well publicized failure, the possibilities for reconciliation and peace are negatively affected. The process of possible reconciliation is retarded.

Just imagine the power we would have created if PM Netanyahu had turned to President Obama in that first meeting in the White House and said “OK, Mr. President we accept and appreciate your efforts to bring peace to our country. Even though we do not agree with you that halting all building east of the green line will bring a positive change in our reign, on Wednesday my government will bring all building in those areas to a halt. We anxiously await the response from the Arab people and their legitimate leaders to your profound initiative of hope!”

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albertacowpoke

Thanks for this Tikun:)

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tikun

Your welcome Karl.

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Paschen

Syria is not the only one conducting Political motivated assassinations, the CIA does and so does Israel as well.

I do agree though that the settlement politics have to stop and I see the real damage in pursuing this policy by Israel.

Had "PM Netanyahu  returned from President Obama after that first meeting in the White House and said “OK, Mr. President we accept and appreciate your efforts to bring peace to our country."

Maybe we would have had a real chance for peace and justice by now.

I would not mix American Jews with Israel Tikun.

Israel is a State on its own and not a religion. Many Jews do resend being associated with Israel even in the US.

You are either Israeli or American, but leave religion out of this. You cause more harm for the Jews around the World by forcing them into association with the state of Israel and this against their own will.

Same happened to the German in Africa and South America, Eastern Europe and North America in WWII, Hitler tried to force their association with him, wish created great harm to them and wish they did not want,  being forced into association with the NAZI.

The Arabs are Human, same as the Israeli European settlers and the Palestinian. May they be Muslim, Jews, or Christian they all have the same rights and all would rather have peace then this going on. 

Israel has to make great compromised here and stop this madness. 

We either have a two State solution or create a united Republic of Palestinian and Israeli.

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tikun

Thanks Uwe for your comments.


Again I must say that the settlement issue is a bogus reason for not getting together. Aside from that, there is much going on that is under reported where economic cooperation is unfolding with great success. This is one of the great hopes that will be an inspiration for success in negotiating a settlement.

I agree that Jews that live in Israel and Jews that live in America are unique and their loyalties are clearly defined. However, do not be deluded into thinking that there is not a clear sympathy for Israel  by American Jews and its Jewish nature as a State of the Jews.  Granted there are left-wing Jews in America that have had very little connection with Israel and find it discomforting to have a Jewish State since many of them do not define themselves as Jews in any particular manner. But at this moment a very small minority but vocal group.

I also must disagree that the Jews that settled Israel were from Europe. If you google for this information you will clearly see that Jews have been living here for far too long and are not of European origin. European  Jews immigrated to Israel over the past 100 years.


No one ever said that Arabs are not human. You know that I personally have never ever for one minute even insinuated such. Nor has Yoram. Don't confuse political disagreements for anything but what it is.

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areminderofthe rules

An opinion flag would be appreciated and is definitely warranted for this piece..again. You will note that the other front page article presenting an alternative view of the conflict is so marked, this one not. This is an opinion piece, pure and simple

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Rory Cripps

Tikun: Thank you for this story and the comments it spawned. For me, it is indeed a learning experience to hear from both sides on the issue. There is strong support  for Israel on the part of millions of American Christians--and is it any wonder why? I'm familiar with Israel's history and the history of the Jewish people. Also, growing up in New York, I've known many Jewish Americans throughout the years and in one of the neighborhoods in which I resided, there were a number of holocaust survivors that still bore tattoos.

In light of that history I often find myself rooting for Israel when perhaps I should step back and make a better effort to look at things from the perspective of the Palestinians and the Arabs. But it's hard for me and many others to do so given what we know about Jewish history. And what makes it harder is that Israel is smaller, geographically speaking, than the U.S. State of  New Jersey. Moreover, the population of Israel is only about 7.5 million (which includes 1.2 million Arabs) and Israel is bordered by Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt whose Muslim populations total roughly 100 million.

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tikun

Thanks Rory for your comments.

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