www.vampirefreaks.com - Is this Site a Killer?

its all bull crap if u ask me. Myspace and VF are basicacally the same. So your gonna acuse the kids who like heavy music weird body peircings and an odd taste in clothes. Well Fuck that shit. Why dont u go and acuse ur damn self. No matter where u go there are gonne be sick fucks...Ive had a VF for awhile now and if i had to vote. VF is better than Myspace. Its just a fucking website. If someone chooses to be morbid then its their choice. no one talked thos people into killing someone. Hell, the 23 year old is obviously a sick fuck that needs to be put in prison...and the 12 yr old obviously has some kind of mental issues...why dont u go try talking to her parents? The only thing that u really gotta worry about on VF is fakes...people posing as someone else...but even then it isnt their fault...its socities. Why do u think VF was made. So people who have been pushed away from everyone else can actually feel like they belong somewhere. You know how many people on there actually tell people not to go kill themselves. and personally i agree with the kid above me.

do u really have any proof that they did any of it? could of been someone from Myspace...oh or Face Book. Besides have u decided to take a look at their own life styles?

I ur gonna acuse kids of trying to kill adults at least try and figure out why...theres a reason behind everything. Heck...im friends with a kid on VF whos basically addopted, father beats and rapes him and had 2 kids who died....dosent mean hes a physco...hes actually alot better then u fuck faces.Besides...the retards were probably just looking for a way to get attention. BAH! i blame the president....problem solved! The shitty econemy is making people go mad!! or we can say aliens did it....AH! great subject to get on...people CLAME aliens are real...but i personally havent seen one and that dosent mean they are....so just cause they all had a VF and were apparently clamed of commiting murder dosent mean they did. Hey how do u know that the 23 year old wasent her like Cousin of Dad or something...id kill someone 2 if i was being molested by my father. well my point is...you news people are fuck faces and need to get your faces straight and u need to stop making everyone look bad when in reality u guys r really the sick fucks who need to be locked away.

The End :]

I totally agree! I have a VF as well and I'm nothing like those people. People just seem to want a reason for the actions other people make; it's quite pathetic. I can't really say anything else because you said it all!

This only needs a simple reply. If someone goes on a shooting spree while drinking a Pepsi, I doubt Pepsi or Pepsi drinkers would be blamed for it.... it would just be that individual's fault. But, if that person had an account on an underground culture based site like VampireFreaks, it must be VF's fault. The media needs to stop taking underground culture populations and making them scapegoats for tragedies like this.

OK...THIS IS ONE THING THAT REALLLY MAKES ME MAD, THE SITE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO PREVOKE THESE PEOPLE, AND WE ARE NOT A "SUB CULTURE" WE THRIVE IN THE WORLD..DONT TREAT IS LIKE ...MUST WATCH MY LANGUAGE... CRAP.., SO..JUST SAYING..YOU PEOPLE ONLY JUDGE BY WHAT PEOPLE LOOK LIKE, OR WHAT THEY LISTEN TO...TALK LIKE..ETC...YOU HAVE TO JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR ACTIONS..MOST OF US..WELL...WE AREN'T PIECE OF.....CRAP PEOPLE, WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART REALLY KIND PEOPLE..AND WE ARE USUALLY LIKE THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE BOSS US AROUND CONSTANTLY AND WRONGLY JUDGE US LIKE YOU MOTHER...          IDIOTS  ARE, SO F...NO..... GO AWAY....you people don't understand..such closed minded, self centered, egotistical, moroding band of MORONS i have ever seen, blaming the site....i realllly dont think he left enough clues...my handle is "PsychopathicFreak666" but..does that mean that im gunna go out and murder every1 in site? NO!!! id die for my friends...and many strangers, before id ever even CONSIDER killing someone around, the Gothic culture..once again NOT SUBCULTURE, WE ARE NOT BARBARIANS!!!!, is not out to kill every1, we are not stereotyped by one person who was a moron, and killed our reputatoin even more..so go.. away, leave us alone, if we ever noticed something obvious...we would report it..OMFG WE AREN'T STUPID..(most of us at least)

Any 12-year-old girl with a 23-year-old is obviously a little confused. And any 23-year-old dating a 12-year-old is obviously a little morally challenged. Plus, they were, “reported to have had profiles on vampirefreaks.com.” Keyword; REPORTED!!!

Now! Shall I quote?! “The girlfriend of a youth accused of killing his younger brother and attempting to kill his stepfather was revealed to have had a profile and pictures on the site.” That’s NOT the ACCUSED youth!!! That doesn’t say HE had a profile on the site!!! It’s his GIRLFRIEND!!!

Plus! I was accused of liking the same sex, doesn’t mean I did.

The site has their details?!?!?! Wow!!! I didn’t know that it’s the only site to do that!!! -Note The Sarcasm!!!

First Name: Terry.

Last Name: Riist.

Age: 117-years-old.

Location: 8005 Poo Street, YaMum.

Occupation: Stripper By Day. Hit Man By Night.

Likes: Eating Glass, Your Mum, Knives, Nuclear Shit, Necrophilia, And Bestiality.

Dislikes: Humanity, Sex With The Living, And Being Happy.

About Me: I have Aerophobia. I am a vampire. A real one, not one of fake idiots. When I was 12 I had my liver removed, so now I’m liverless. My uncle is Freddie Mercury. And I am fatally allergic to Oxygen.

People never lie!!!

Ugh!!! Be realistic!!!

To tell the truth! The only ones who can really do anything, are the people who witness any suggestive comments. I doubt otherwise, something could have actually been done. Not to mention the amount of empty threats, pranksters, and mere jokes between friends that would possess the exact same, and even worse, sort of banter. In no part of this article, does it say that people on the site were AWARE of these “killers’” intentions. And saying one of them quotes that he “loved guns and hated people” is pretty much the same thing coming out of every other moody teen’s mouth. Plus, if we all go by this logic, then everyone on MSN is a paedophile, everyone on myspace are phishers, and everyone on face book are wanna-be vampires who use the site to meet, and kill, people. COME ON!!! We might as well all join the Crap Brigade while we’re ahead of ourselves!!! Go back to complaining about fatty foods making people fat! In other words, this is the biggest load of Crap since they claimed, “The Earth Is The Centre Of The Universe”

I've been a VF member for years now. Pretty much close to when it started. When I first joined there was only a small handful of members. So naturally, it was a pretty good online community to hang out at. But, over the years..it's grown in popularity and therefore more pervs and pedos are slipping through the cracks and signing up to VF. So today as it stands, I definetly say VF should be shut down, (along with myspace.)

  These types of community sites just breed online crimes and there's very little the ADMINS of these sites can do to control it. That's why I say the best option is to just bring them all down for good.

No this site is not a killer,there are everyday people with profiles on here,it doesnt mean its a cult of a bunch of psycho-killers.Its sad to think that every countires media stoops to the sad pathetic level that every woman/man who wears a bunch of black or has the "gothic" style,is autimatically labeld "Deppressed","Freak","Creep","Psycho" or a "Killer",this is not the case,just because we dress different doesnt make us any better or any less of a person than you.I feel sorry for "Jet" the site owner,hes a really good guy and doesnt deserve the crap you people are trying to pull over on him.Vampirefreaks.com is not as bad is what these people make it look.Its not any different than facebook or myspace,there are just as bad if not worse people with profiles on there,so does that make facebook/myspace rapist/child molester/killer websites?

I've been on this site for nearly two years and in no way has it corrupted me.

I'm perfectly fine.

Everything is Ay Okay with me.

You can't point fingers at people for stupid stuff like that.
So what?

Millions of people have a myspace.
There's bound to be someone on there that've killed somebody.
But you don't blame myspace, do you?

I totally agree, that site is really cool, alota ppl r like well its because there gothic an put ppl in lables wich is bs in my opinion, most ppl now adays wil try to be every1 else like sheep instead of being themselves, thats why most ppl think or are just in 1 group under a sertin lable. if every1 would just be who they r an not be a copy cat of others an learn to live with the diversityu in the world, thats just sum of how i feel

why do people always blame the wrong people of horrible thing

i am a VF member for many years now

and i have never seen anyone like the monsters who committed these terrible crimes

almost all people i have seen are nice peace loving people

violence and crime makes me sick

and its everywhere and VF is a place where i never see or hear about violence

when i walk on the street there i see violence

when i turn on the TV i see violence

some people say that the people on VF are weird and violent but ofcourse this is a lie

if you compare the average (normal) person to a goth or such than they are much more violent and small minded they dont tollerate anyone who doesnt look like the media sterio type and that is sick

they are the people that commit violence against people that look like the members of VF

when i was younger i got death treats every day in school

and when i walk outside to visit a friend people trew stones at me

and i just told them to act like a normal human being and respect everyone no matter what he/she looks like or what the persons religion is.

but no ofcourse they dont respect that

These are the people the media should focus on

maybe there are 1 or 2 weirdo's like that on VF

but there are over 3000 of these people in every neighbourhood arround the world and i assure you non of them are goth or such

the media should focus on the real dangerous people

and pick them out and only accuse people when you know that they are bad and not blame everyone equaly when there is only 1 rotten aple in the basket

Violence is in the human nature

but i am not one of them icant wait till the day comes that violence , crime  and murder is a thing of the past

HATE is just a four lettered word and the ones that hate are weak

people should learn to love and respect eachother

before that happens violence will remain.

yea exactly theres a lot of wierd sites out there and vampierfreask isnt one of them. Oh yea soo your saying killers dont have myspaces either right??

VampireFreaks is NOT the cause for these killing, and its not what you think. The people who went on those killing sprees are just psychotic, weak people who just snaped. It has nothing to do with Vampirefreaks. Its not the websites fault, its the person who went and committed the crime. And HELLO! the things that people write on their like their age that says 100 years old, or that for occupation, it says killer or god, or something along those, they are made up, its not for real. Dont go making a damn statement from possibilites. Sure, some idiots who went on killing sprees where involved with VF, that has nothing to do with it.

Get a grip people!

And whats the deal with you people in Marilyn Manson? All he is is a singer in a band. He's a awesome dude, but because he looks crazy and stuff, people who do violent acts and were Marilyn Manson fans are TWO seperate things. Marilyn Manson has nothing to do with these violent actions.

Hey..um i'm frm india,in da northeast part.
..i am a big fan of u vf guys n gals. ..not da goth ones da emo ones....he2. ..bt i cant join due 2 my studies (cant even hav a long hair) all i wanna say is i have a big big huge crush on Meeboo

Wouldn't suggest for a minute that this is the site's fault.  But the  question does arise as to whether or not  enough clues were left there that they should have taken action.

VampireFreaks is basically My Space for Goths. I have been a member for little over the year and there is no indication that it is used to promote violence. It is just a site for people to meet and exchange ideas and view points on music, literature, music, etc. it is not even limited to Goths only. Anyone can come and share thier ideas if they feel the site meets their interests. We do not promote violece, despite the name of our site. I may be young, but I still know wheter I'm involved with something that promotes criminal acts and if it gets to that point, I always leave. People may criticize VampireFreaks, but they are merely putting the blame of people's actions on those that don't deserve it. There are worst things that are right in our very schools.  I am witnessing that the adolescents, as far as my school is concernedm fight almost every single day amongst each other.  So if VampireFreaks is going to be blamed wholly on this violent act, then blame our entire society! No establishment is innocent.

Bla.

I find it surprising that someone with such a knack for writing, who writes openly on line, would have such a terribly closed mind. Vampirefreaks.com is no more at blame for the terribly gruesome things that took place than is Google.com, yahoo.com, myspace.com, or really, any website that promotes contact between its users through web mail, forums or chat rooms.

To classify the Goth style with murderous rampages is simply people looking for en excuse. People will blame any possible outlet when tragedy strikes.

I suppose I would classify myself as  “Goth”. I’m your average, every day white collar worker, who has worked in law firms, sales positions, and am currently in the process of starting up my own business. I just happen to like y own kinds of fashion, and frequent the gothic industrial night club. So does that mean I am a murderer? No. Just as you are not, even though you write online as well.

Perhaps it would be better for everyone if people took a step back from what they see and hear and focus on what is really there.

I am terribly disappointed in what I have read about this site, which I frequent myself, and the blame being put on it without just cause.

~Mana-Rayne V. Ash

Just to be clear folks...I didnt' right this story, I just posted it from its original source.  Interesting discussion though.

This is absolutely ridiculous. I'm 15, and I'm probably more open minded than whoever wrote that article. I'm sure that a lot of killers use things like msn instant messenger, however, due to the fact that society seems to be afraid of the gothic culture, vampirefreaks.com gets more attention for it and people will assume it's related. Believe it or not, the gothic culture doesn't necessarily represent satan anymore, as it's become more of a fashion statement now. I've been on the site for a couple of years atleast, and in no way has it made me feel that I need to kill someone. Whoever wrote this article is seriously prejudiced and needs to catch up on modern day fashions. I wouldn't even consider myself as a goth, yet I'm saying this. Society always needs someone or something to blame for the mistakes that are made and why people would do things such as murder someone, so they jump to the easiest conclusion they can.

Myspace provokes rapes,

and other things of others sorts

VF has had only 2 probloms that most are aware of...

though myspace has had 10000xxx many probloms that many are aware of..

whats who bad about vf

compaired to myspace

deaths are deaths we all die yes?

but the thing is..

websites are websites,

i think people take things to seriously weather its over the net,

people take things to personaly,

what those people did was on their own time,

myspace would easily creat the same probloms,

Here we go again with the gothic/industrial things. For example Marilyn Manson was blame for a kid committing suicide and he was blamed for the Columbine shooting. (That's what this reminded me of). To me it is like they are saying that Vampirefreaks promotes it and encourages it. I mean come on. There are millions of profiles on there. The person hosting the site isn't going to go through every single profile and make sure there is nothing illegal or innapropriate on there. I mean yeah there are some wrong-doers on there but I mean they can't just blame the site for them posting pictures and writing things and stuff because well...the people who did it are idiots. They also shouldn't blame the site because it's the people who did its fault. There are all kinds of stupid people, and psychos out there unfortunately some are combined...people who post pictures of the people they killed or anything like that are an example of stupid people and psychos combined. They are stupid for posting the pictures up there and they are psycho for killing the people.

I have a strong opinion about things like this. It gets to me. I don't agree with this story at all.

-Sammy-

You know what anyone who blames a website for the shit people do is stupid. plus Vampire freaks has some really preppy ass people on it any way so your telling me that there gonna do this shit to get a life and stop blaming websites for peoples sick minds. you can put myspace up there it its ten times worst how many people have gotten raped killed and committed suicide over stupid stuff on myspace. dont blame it on the website blame it on the sick stupid lunitic who did it. i can say i hate people yea so what i hate people, people in general suck boo hoo im not gonna go kill and or rape somebody over it. stop over analizing stuff and get to the point heres the point people who do this stuff have problems. just because im a sadist doesnt mean im gonna go hurt somebody for my on pleasure i just watch them hurt them self from far away and laugh its funny but if someone really hurts them self ill go help um out. booo hoo my vampire freak profile says i love guns i like shooting things and i absolutely hate preps yet im on the same teams with them at school and we get along i dont like um doesnt mean im gonna go shoot them with a gun doesnt mean im gonna stab umm just means i really dislike them. i go on vampire freak and im not even goth i im like a black punk (but not really cause im just strange) kid. any one who takes shit seriously about sterotypes is stupid cause to people on a good day im punk on a sad day im emo and on a bad day im goth and when i win for the stupid volley ball team im normal get over you stupid sterotypes and shove um up your butts.

My partner, My daughter, Myself and several family members are members of vampirefreaks.com and i can safely say we havent murdered anyone yet! Millions of people have internet access and vampirefreaks.com is an online community that connects people with the same interests in music. Sadly there are sick people in the world that murder others, sadly some of them have internet access and join vampirefreaks.com because they have similiar tastes in music as other members. Jet, who runs the site sadly isnt blessed with psychic powers and cannot tell that someone joining the site will become a murderer. There are millions of online communities and cultures full of billions of people with diverse cultures and views, so why pick on this one? Just because some murderers had accounts on the same site(have you seen how many members we have?) doesnt mean that the site is a'killer'. We dont promote murders or violence. If Fred West and Jack the Ripper were on Friends Reunited, would you blame the site? People are murderers, Not Websites. You made a reference to the online cults, in your story and people who have not visited the site probably now think we're a group of devil worshippers who brainwash people in cults. Vampirefreaks.com cults are just forums that people can join to talk to people with the same interests and where they can offer advice to one another. So far i havent seen a cult named, 'masked murderers'.Stories like these are just vicious attacks on online communities and cultures, by people who have too much spare time.

Isn't that kinda like saying all people are killers?

As those people were part of the human race?

 I think there comes a point where you have to use common sense, ok they all used vampire freaks, but as the article says, there is a large amount of people who use the sight, and very few of those people have been involved in anything like this.

I, persoanlly having an account, think that there is messed up people in the world. Vampirefreaks is just a place were we can feel normal again. Somewere that we dont have to be outsiders because of the way we prefer to dress. Me and my current boyfriend have found Vampirefreaks as a place of peace almost. Its the facebook for us. I think that anyone who tries to pin the killings of numerous people on a website, well you can try, but your going to get complaints. I signed up to this stupid place just so i could give this author a peice of my mind. If vampirefreaks is shut down because nosey reporters are digging into the dark side, there is going to be a helluva lotta complains. So Leonard Brody, if you think that people are killing because of there websites or because of the way they dress, id think again. People like me only kill because of intimidation, we have usually had a hard child hood. Things that happened a long time ago affect us. The kkk, nazi's, old dissagreements. These arent our fault, but yet they've influenced our lives so much, that because we dress goth, were being posted for murder. Id be careful people, no one likes a nosey prick in the world or vampirefreaks.

 Fuckthemainstream is also way better than suitex, or any preppy clothing sotre, it lets us scream in fashoin how we feel.

    Moribids_girl, vampirefreaks member.

I, persoanlly having an account, think that there is messed up people in the world. Vampirefreaks is just a place were we can feel normal again. Somewere that we dont have to be outsiders because of the way we prefer to dress. Me and my current boyfriend have found Vampirefreaks as a place of peace almost. Its the facebook for us. I think that anyone who tries to pin the killings of numerous people on a website, well you can try, but your going to get complaints. I signed up to this stupid place just so i could give this author a peice of my mind. If vampirefreaks is shut down because nosey reporters are digging into the dark side, there is going to be a helluva lotta complains. So Leonard Brody, if you think that people are killing because of there websites or because of the way they dress, id think again. People like me only kill because of intimidation, we have usually had a hard child hood. Things that happened a long time ago affect us. The kkk, nazi's, old dissagreements. These arent our fault, but yet they've influenced our lives so much, that because we dress goth, were being posted for murder. Id be careful people, no one likes a nosey prick in the world or vampirefreaks.

 Fuckthemainstream is also way better than suitex, or any preppy clothing sotre, it lets us scream in fashoin how we feel.

    Moribids_girl, vampirefreaks member.

for one thing Marilyn Manson had nothing to do with anything and shouldn't even have been mentioned because he is not the 'shock' rocker that everyone thinks he is. Just listen to his new album and listen to a few interviews...or stop believeing all the rumors that have come up about him.

Another thing. My name is Amber I have had a vampirefreaks account for about 3 years now and even though you have mentioned how almost everyone dresses in black and has peircings and stuff. That is SO judgemental and you obviously haven't talked to anyone in the website. If you DID you would know that everyone on there are generally nice people. Usually I'm one of the nice one but this pissed me off. That website had nothing to do with anything that those people did. They just had one. Its just as easy for someone with a myspace to do that. The internet is like cliques in high school anyway. Vampirefreaks is for the goth/emo people...yea right.

Websites don't kill people, people kill people.

Now although this article doesn't come right out and say that VF is somehow the cause or to blame for the actions of those mentioned in the article, it does imply it by even trying to make a connection with VF to these disturbed people's actions.  Many of the people who join VampireFreaks.com are there to meet people who have similar interests.  It caters to the Goth/Industrial scene, but is open for all.  I do enjoy the goth scene a bit but I was drawn to the site due to it's name.  I have recently become interested in vampire fiction and lore and as such decided to check out the site.  What I found was a great community of very friendly individuals, who welcome all newcomers with open arms.  VF is being pinpointed as possibly being responsible or fueling the actions of these people because of the nature of Goth, it's style, the sound of it's music and the stereotype of the "typical" people who are drawn to it.  People who do these things are drawn to these styles because the styles themselves are outside of mainstream and less accepted as others.  In this way usually those drawn to this style are those who feel the same, like they don't fit in elsewhere, and these communities understand that feeling and thus it's like a family of misfits.  In truth many people such as myself just like the style, the music etc and could care less what mainstream thinks of it. 

As many others here have pointed out there are plenty of other sites in which people with accounts go out and commit heinous crimes just as much if not more, since sites like MySpace, Facebook etc have higher member counts.  Of course MySpace itself has also found itself in the spotlight for negative reasons.  With popularity comes the typical issues.  I, myself, believe that it was unfair to target VF for a connection with these crimes and believe that the original author of the article followed along with the typical stereotypes usually associated with Goths, or listeners of Gothic music or particularly Marilyn Manson (who always seems to get sucked into these stories). 

It would have been a better read if all sites like these were researched and equally debated.  It is a gross generalization to assume people who enjoy the Goth scene and/or music are more likely to do these things than those who don't, and I really don't see how there can be a connection to any website (where people post their profiles or chat in forums) to people who commit murders etc.  Murderers exist amongst us and with the internet free for anyone with access to traverse, any website is likely to have psychos, or murderers amongst its members.

I read this after I made my post and I think we're on the same page.

"Stories like these are just vicious attacks on online communities and cultures, by people who have too much spare time."

Amen!