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www.vampirefreaks.com - Is this Site a Killer?
A Web site used by the gunman who killed one and wounded 19 at a Montreal college had surfaced in other violent Canadian incidents, including one in which an Alberta girl allegedly killed her family in April.The black and purple Web site, www.vampirefreaks.com, is described by its Brooklyn, New York-based founder as a "goth/industrial" site.
The site was available intermittently on Thursday, a day after Kimveer Gill, 25, was killed by police after he went on a shooting rampage at Montreal's Dawson College. Gill posted photographs and comments on the site, saying he loved guns and hated people.
"This is not the first time that the vampirefreaks Web site has been in the news," said Jesse Hirsh, president of technology services firm Openflows Networks Ltd. in Toronto.
In a Toronto trial last year, the girlfriend of a youth accused of killing his younger brother and attempting to kill his stepfather was revealed to have had a profile and pictures on the site.
A 23-year old man and his 12-year-old girlfriend, accused of killing a woman, her husband and their eight-year-old son in Medicine Hat, Alberta, last April, were also reported to have had profiles on vampirefreaks.com.
Started by a Brooklyn resident, the site claims to have more than 600,000 members and millions of page views each day.
Users can post pictures along with their likes, dislikes, favorite music and location, and communicate with others in "cults" or groups.
The Goth sub-culture is often characterized by black clothing, pale makeup and body piercing. Many write about being alienated from society, and while musical tastes vary, shock rockers such as Marilyn Manson are said to be popular.
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at 15:04 on April 13th, 2009
VF is not a killer
this is typical of the media to blame the actions of psychtic persons on the internet, while on the internet itself. how hypocritical.
yes this site caters to the less then social and the ones that dont have a place with mainstreams. very true statement. they are killers.? no not on your life are they such. ive been with the site for almost 2 years now.
fall of 2007 we had a problem with a shooter im my town, it was a little emo boy who's girl had broken up with him and then his job fired him. he wanted to be famous. to be loved only he was mis guided into thinking he had to shoot up a department store. i started the "cult" or blog group below specifically to avoid things like this. we have threads for relationships to vent and a good staff of local person that can help anyone that gets on the site from our state, doing what we can to help those in need.
http://vampirefreaks.com/cult/Freaks_of_nebraska
to call this site the problem with random violence is obscene and i hope jet sues this site for libel.
at 15:05 on April 13th, 2009
Just because all these people had a VF account doesn't mean that VF promoted it. How many serial killers have a myspace or facebook account? How many rapists look for little kids online? Vampirefreaks does not promote shooting. Yeah everyone on that site says they hate humans but none of us would ever shoot anyone.
at 15:12 on April 13th, 2009
By the way, Chris "MalkvaianMime" is right. The media is always blaimed for the issues dealing with kids. It's not the media it never is.
at 15:26 on April 13th, 2009
VampireFreaks is NOT the cause for these killing, and its not what you think. The people who went on those killing sprees are just psychotic, weak people who just snaped. It has nothing to do with Vampirefreaks. Its not the websites fault, its the person who went and committed the crime. And HELLO! the things that people write on their like their age that says 100 years old, or that for occupation, it says killer or god, or something along those, they are made up, its not for real. Dont go making a damn statement from possibilites. Sure, some idiots who went on killing sprees where involved with VF, that has nothing to do with it.
Get a grip people!
And whats the deal with you people in Marilyn Manson? All he is is a singer in a band. He's a awesome dude, but because he looks crazy and stuff, people who do violent acts and were Marilyn Manson fans are TWO seperate things. Marilyn Manson has nothing to do with these violent actions.
at 11:26 on April 14th, 2009
its all bull crap if u ask me. Myspace and VF are basicacally the same. So your gonna acuse the kids who like heavy music weird body peircings and an odd taste in clothes. Well Fuck that shit. Why dont u go and acuse ur damn self. No matter where u go there are gonne be sick fucks...Ive had a VF for awhile now and if i had to vote. VF is better than Myspace. Its just a fucking website. If someone chooses to be morbid then its their choice. no one talked thos people into killing someone. Hell, the 23 year old is obviously a sick fuck that needs to be put in prison...and the 12 yr old obviously has some kind of mental issues...why dont u go try talking to her parents? The only thing that u really gotta worry about on VF is fakes...people posing as someone else...but even then it isnt their fault...its socities. Why do u think VF was made. So people who have been pushed away from everyone else can actually feel like they belong somewhere. You know how many people on there actually tell people not to go kill themselves. and personally i agree with the kid above me.
do u really have any proof that they did any of it? could of been someone from Myspace...oh or Face Book. Besides have u decided to take a look at their own life styles?
I ur gonna acuse kids of trying to kill adults at least try and figure out why...theres a reason behind everything. Heck...im friends with a kid on VF whos basically addopted, father beats and rapes him and had 2 kids who died....dosent mean hes a physco...hes actually alot better then u fuck faces.Besides...the retards were probably just looking for a way to get attention. BAH! i blame the president....problem solved! The shitty econemy is making people go mad!! or we can say aliens did it....AH! great subject to get on...people CLAME aliens are real...but i personally havent seen one and that dosent mean they are....so just cause they all had a VF and were apparently clamed of commiting murder dosent mean they did. Hey how do u know that the 23 year old wasent her like Cousin of Dad or something...id kill someone 2 if i was being molested by my father. well my point is...you news people are fuck faces and need to get your faces straight and u need to stop making everyone look bad when in reality u guys r really the sick fucks who need to be locked away.
The End :]
at 11:28 on April 14th, 2009
hahahahahaha she does make a point ((the person above me))
at 16:58 on April 14th, 2009
This is the most absurd article I have ever read; these findings are merely coincidence, not conclusive evidence. If you look at the profiles of other such killers, you will find countless such similarities. Correlation does NOT equal cause.
at 18:06 on April 15th, 2009
yay lets blast a website or music because people lose it and kill somebody. if somebody went out and shot alot of people because god told him he heard it in gospel music there would be NOTHING about gospel music being bad. I do like how they point out an accused killer's girlfriend's sister's bestfriend's neighbor has a profile on vampire freaks.... who cares it doesnt mean the people on there are all willing to do something bad. they need to stop looking at people who want to be different as a problem, the problem is the people who want everybody to be alike.
at 18:17 on April 17th, 2009
This only needs a simple reply. If someone goes on a shooting spree while drinking a Pepsi, I doubt Pepsi or Pepsi drinkers would be blamed for it.... it would just be that individual's fault. But, if that person had an account on an underground culture based site like VampireFreaks, it must be VF's fault. The media needs to stop taking underground culture populations and making them scapegoats for tragedies like this.
at 00:26 on April 18th, 2009
This site is like myspace you fucking IDIOTS,
Get over it already you close minded FUCKs.
at 00:27 on April 18th, 2009
PS...they have a MILLION users now.
Dur dur dur..small town idioits.
at 00:27 on April 18th, 2009
PS...they have a MILLION users now.
Dur dur dur..small town idiiots.
at 00:29 on April 18th, 2009
PS...over a MILLIONS users now close minded small twn FUCKs
God, people like you need to fucking open your mind and realize people OF ALL KINDS EXIST IN THIS WORLD YOU FUCKING MORONS.
at 16:31 on April 18th, 2009
Biteme, what you just said reflected yourself as a patron on VampireFreaks. By your immature and outlandish replies to this, you've made yourself out to look like an easily angered and uncontrollably tempered person, the type of person they say VF is crawling with. Your posts did nothing to help the situation.
at 05:32 on May 14th, 2009
as a juggalo ur suppose to swing ur hatchet and dont give a fuck about what any one says about you or your beliefs. your suppose to be down with the clown and always resort in violence. You may have went to every concert and memorized every song you are NOT a juggalo untill ur down with the dark carnival and because of your response to this blog ur deffinitle not a juggalo so fuck off and stop pretending to be some one your not
down with the clown for life
at 12:17 on April 23rd, 2009
not everyone on vampirefreaks is like that. if you ask the majority of the people on there, they can say they're there to talk to people. i have a profile on there, and i have to say from expirience that the people i have spoken to are really ok.
i hate it that once the media finds out that a murder was goth/punk/any other random stereotype, they blow it out of proportion. the only people who actually kill people have something wrong with them. don't blame the group they hung out with for their actions.
at 05:25 on May 14th, 2009
i have a vampire freak and the website is not dangerous its the same thing as a myspace but way cooler. Im sorry to have to inform u but these murders took place because the victoms told people to much about them selves. You are never suppose to put a real adress or phone number and the people that do are asking for it. Im sorry if any of the victoms family is reading this but when u have a myspace face book or vampire freeks or even a instant messanger there are always risks of puting yourself in danger. I will still go on vampire freaks, because i am smart enough to no what to say and what not to say!
at 07:49 on May 17th, 2009
i have a user there and i hate people to idiotic people like that guy who wrote this article a site cant be blamed for the idiotic things that people do and neither can u blame the sub cultures
at 08:34 on May 17th, 2009
This is stupid. You shouldn't accuse a site because of this type of things happen, it's not Vampirefreaks fault that these people are crazy and need to be put in a straight jack in a white room. I have a profile on there and I'm not killing anybody now am I? No I'm not, and this is the first time I have ever heard that Vampirefreaks being in the news. There are a lot of people on that website you are nice and caring. And then there are some people you are lunatics.
at 12:52 on May 17th, 2009
wow you guys are the ones who have nothing else better to do then waste your time and our time witrh this crap,first of all VF IS AMAZING,Second of all,you have no hard evidence against the site,you dont even know the site owners name and i'm not gonna tell you,Third,you really need to stop blaming,rock and roll/metal/gothic/industrial music and sites,c'mon it a friggin site how stupid can you get,i'm probably one of the nicest people on this AWSOME,AMAZING site we call VF,I rarely ever lash out at people online or offline,but this is just so ridiculous it's almost hilarious,everone on here even if they dont use VF is hating on this article,your probably never gonna read this but if you don please display more hard evidence,Not just agaisnt VF,but any other site,Cause next time you do,you need to stop and check what your looking for and what your looking at,VF is amazing and is never gonna go away.go back to talking about swine flu or fix the economy or fire whoever wrote this crap.
at 18:06 on May 18th, 2009
if you look at my profile." ENTERSHIKARI " youll see im nothing like how ths describes the people on vampirefreaks.
i also find this site, very very good, id say their are more psycos on facebook etc than vf !
at 18:34 on May 18th, 2009
i absolutely love vampirefreaks.
the first time i got on it i thought it was strange only cus i kept getting the "cult invites" and this was b4 i knew ne one on this site. i am considered the "goth" crowd.
im probably one of the least violent ppl you could meet. the idea that vf could cause someone to commit murder.
whoever wrote that article is dumb as fk. no tv show, actor, singer, or website can convince or cause a person to commit a crime. it is all to do with that person. its just by chance that all those examples had a vampirefreaks profile. they obviously had some issues that they brought on themselves or someone else in their lives. the founder of vampirefreaks in no way made a website promoting what is being said it promotes.
at 14:45 on June 5th, 2009
Hello.I generally do not get involved in this type of shit, but i agree with my fellow vampire freaks users in that it is very moronic of anyone to blame a website for either aiding or creating killers. I particularly agree with Dagress . Any site that allows communications between users can potentially have a killer or two or a hundred etc.It is not the sites fault.It is the fault of the killing individual.As for aiding a killer, it is illegal. the FBI monitor that kind of stuff.The creators of nearly all communications websites would be arrested and their sites eradicated if even 1 third of the millions of complaints on this topic were true. Did anyone know that the person behind Virginia Tech had a myspace and a facebook?That happened some time ago. These sites are still in business arent they?For my fellow VF users , I have good but probably already known news: VF will survive.Just like Myspace ,Facebook etc.As for those who judge other people for being different or better than themselves, they can go to hell at any point.
at 11:20 on June 11th, 2009
Okay really, It isn`t like that, VF is just like effing myspace but it looks diffrent and appeals to goth, emo, punk, scene ect. pepole. My gawd how dumb can pepole become?
at 19:57 on June 18th, 2009
i think that vf isnt at all about killings just because one person did it you shouldn't just go a head and say its a bad web site qhen its not people that are on there ask for advice put up random stuff its like we're a pack we help each other when possible just because one screwed up that doesn mean its a killing site yeah its different then other sites but so what no website except porn should be judged
at 12:47 on June 21st, 2009
Vf is just a stupid community of kids who reach in their daddys pockets for a premium membership so they can think their better than every1 else its just a stupid website ful of kids this story just says if your not mentally able to keep yourself afloat talk to your parents or something there is alot of concepts about this site being full of bad seeds but its not the kids or the ppl who are 49 and still clinging to the gothic culture its a pathetic site thats enough said about that but the ppl who get on it should be able to control themselfs mentally and physically if you cant handle the real world kill yourself in my opinion the only problem i have with Vf is that the MODs dont follow the TOS that have been posted and that you accept when joining the site alot of ppl have multiple accounts but no1 moniters that and also there is ALOT of racism that goes on Personaly im just there to stirr up trouble ppl on the site are just kids who refuse to grow up thats all :P Www.vampirefreaks.com/aric110491
at 15:21 on June 27th, 2009
YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT IF SOMEONE WHO KILLED CONSTANTLY HAD A MYSPACE WOULD YOU? Myspace SUCKS!! Just because we look different doesn't mean your MOM didn't. ^-^